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Getting real sick of hearing about this nonstop everywhere. The elections over, please just move on.

Here's some more.

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* Real investment growth after the tax increases of 1993 was much higher than after the tax cuts of 1981 and 2001. The yearly growth rate after 1993 was 10.2 percent versus 2.8 percent for the first supply-side era beginning in 1981, and 2.7 percent in the period of the second supply-side era beginning in 2001. Without better investment growth being associated with supply-side policies, a critical link in the theory of supply-side economics is broken�and it is difficult to draw any plausible connection between supply-side tax cuts and any observed positive economic performance. * Economic growth as measured by real U.S. gross domestic product was stronger following the tax increases of 1993 than in the two supply-side eras. Over the seven-year periods after each legislative action, average annual growth was 3.9 percent following 1993, 3.5 percent following 1981, and 2.5 percent following 2001. * Average annual real median household income growth was greatest after the 1993 tax increases, at 2.0 percent annually compared to 1.4 percent after 1981 and 0.3 percent after 2001. * Wage levels also did better after 1993. Average real hourly earnings following 1981 fell at an annual rate of 0.1 percent and following 2001 rose at a rate of only 0.3 percent. Following the 1993 tax increases average hourly earnings grew by 0.9 percent per year. * Employment growth was weaker during the supply-side eras than during the post-1993 era. Average annual employment growth was 2.1 percent after 1981, 2.5 percent after 1993, and 0.6 percent after 2001. * Federal budget deficits and national debt increased during supply-side periods and decreased following the 1993 tax increases. In the seven years from 1993 to 1999, the country went from a federal deficit of 3.9 percent of GDP to a surplus of 1.4 percent. After 1981 the deficit ballooned to 6 percent of GDP by 1983. In the year the 2001 tax legislation was adopted, there was a surplus of 1.3 percent of GDP. This turned into a deficit of 3.6 percent by 2004, which fell back to 1.2 percent in 2007 but will undoubtedly be higher in 2008. The national debt has followed a similar pattern, rising by an astounding 14.8 percentage points relative to GDP over the 7 years following adoption of the 1981 supply-side tax cuts, shrinking by almost 10 percentage points relative to GDP following 1993, and moving back up by 3.8 percentage points relative to GDP after the 2001 tax cuts.

http://www.americanprogress.org/iss...upply_side.html

OK, I'm done. I just wanted to illustrate I can be free of attacks and able to conduct a proper debate on an issue that sounds good when explained in simpler terms, but fails the litmus test of reality.

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Originally posted by enydo Getting real sick of hearing about this nonstop everywhere. The elections over, please just move on.

Just because the president has been decided doesn't mean that politics game is over.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar Yeah, so, we got "change". Now instead of the black vs. white thing, we have a democrats vs. republicans thing. It's still a prejudice. Where the Hell is the change? By the way, it's Thursday... this is like those losers who will argue the outcome of a football game for a week. It's not gonna change anything. Just RESPECT each others views and move on... we can't go forward to benefit the country if we're still stuck arguing about something that happened two days ago.

The thing is this just started two days ago, not ended. It's not like a game that ended, this is something that affects the next 4 years. I mean, did any of the Bush haters stop hating after he won a second term. Definately not. They are still talking about it now. They will still be talking about it after he's gone. Of course nothing can be changed, but we still have keep the discussions out there. I mean, I'm going to stop discussing it here, but mostly because obviously there is not going to be much intelligent discussion. I mean, Scott seems to be the only one making an effort to actually discuss his beliefs. And I would have stopped talking about it already if I saw any form of respect for us McCain supporters. If someone tries to make me look stupid or call me disrespectful things, I tend to want to respond. I'm not sure if you were looking at me or just everyone in general with that post, but there's my thoughts on that. That being said, hopefully this will be my last post on the subject. As I said before, we will let Obama's actions in the coming years speak for themselves. Maybe you guys won't think I'm so dumb after all.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 I mean, Scott seems to be the only one making an effort to actually discuss his beliefs.

I'm in the process of editing my post now.


edit: posted. I still have more to go but will do it when I get back from work and class around 8pm.

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Originally posted by MunkyAngel YAH!!!! I was wondering if that was you!!! I was the Comfort Captain for Johns Creek 50/51 and Team K on election day. Did you ever go to meetings in Country Club of the South to Jane's House?? We went to a few of those there.

Congratulations on achieving the campaign's most hilariously awesome title, Comfort Captain MunkyAngel. I had heard about their Country Club of the South meetings, though I never attended one. In truth, I didn't work too closely with Jane-and-Jean's team, outside of a couple meetings and maybe a VoteBuilder training session at the North Fulton office. My understanding is that they led a very effective team.

It's my hope Obama won't let the lobbyists have influence on his administration like he promised. If he does, I will be severely disappointed, and my support of him will be evaluated.

I also hope he carries through with his goal to turn clean energy as the new industry for America, much like what computer technology has done for us in the past two decades. I see the opportunity to be the world's leader in this sector ushering in a new era of prosperity because of American made energy technologies.

Agreed, Scott!

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Originally posted by Calamar Congratulations on achieving the campaign's most hilariously awesome title, Comfort Captain MunkyAngel. I had heard about their Country Club of the South meetings, though I never attended one. In truth, I didn't work too closely with Jane-and-Jean's team, outside of a couple meetings and maybe a VoteBuilder training session at the North Fulton office. My understanding is that they led a very effective team.

I loved working with Jane and Jean!!! They made it really fun and Jane has worked a few campaigns before this, so we had some great experience and people that were highly organized. I know I can't wait to work another campaign with the two of them or the JC Obamaddicts. Being the Comfort Captain was perfect for me because I love to feed people. I made the most bomb pinwheel sandwiches everyone loved and also I made this Pesto Artichoke Baked Chicken Cheese Tortellini Pasta Salad everyone loved too. Plus hearing from the polling locations that everyone loved the snacks I was sending was sooo awesome and warmed my heart.

FOR the OBAMA Supporters PARTY OUR PLACE THIS WEEKEND. NO HATERS and DRAMA ALLOWED. Wear your BLUE to show your support. Message me privately for details.

Will there be some of your amazing food? I'd love to come.

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Originally posted by iammesol Will there be some of your amazing food? I'd love to come.

of course!!! i will be cooking it up!

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Originally posted by iammesol Will there be some of your amazing food? I'd love to come.

Thats a long walk sam

I had a chauffeur last time.

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Originally posted by iammesol I had a chauffeur last time.

I want you to walk

I will venture.

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Originally posted by iammesol I will venture.

you should venture up here on top of mario's shoulders. then give him peanuts and say it's customary in america to pay mexicans with party mix

I agree. What a bitch he was for not coming when the rest of everyone was present.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous you should venture up here on top of mario's shoulders. then give him peanuts and say it's customary in america to pay mexicans with party mix

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Its like gold to us!

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Quoted for forever lulz

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Originally posted by iammesol Quoted for forever lulz

Fail on the hotlink...

ummmm.....

i don't know what the hell is going on in here, but all i know is I did not vote for Obama or McCain.


I voted for CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Calamar Did Armin van Buuren endorse Barack Obama? I can only assume he did, as any sane Netherlander would.

On a related note, Jono Grant of Above & Beyond just voiced his support for Barack Obama on this week's Trance Around the World.

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Originally posted by Calamar On a related note, Jono Grant of Above & Beyond just voiced his support for Barack Obama on this week's Trance Around the World.

And I had a lot of respect for him.

Sam, thanks for laying out your beliefs. If you had done that in the first place, maybe our argument wouldn't have gone so long. Lol. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I would respond to each point, but I know I will just continue the fighting against me, so I will leave it at that.

Again, not a fight - but a debate. I love debating because it gets the best out of everyone's points. You get steps closer to understanding each other, which actually strengthens your bond.

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Originally posted by iammesol Again, not a fight - but a debate. I love debating because it gets the best out of everyone's points. You get steps closer to understanding each other, which actually strengthens your bond.

Yeah, that is true. For me though, it's a lot harder to really lay your views out on a forum. It's better to be face to face. I had a debate with a hardcore liberal one time and by the end of the discussion we both understood each other.

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