No more Manzone & Strong in The Drink?

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Posted by The Highroller on Nov-05-2008 15:07:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I still fail to see the great benefits to the club goer for the music becoming more mainstream. If anything it benefits everyone else involved but the club goer. As the music is becoming more mainstream....tracks are being produced faster and faster....in hopes the producer will find a hit and reap the rewards. This means the market is being flooded with too many tracks and a lot of those being garbage tracks. Unfortunately, the mainstream market...which is larger then the "underground" market isn't as choosy about what becomes a hit and you start seeing more garbage being considered hits. Then the DJs are almost forced to play this garbage because the thats what the majority of the people want to hear and then the clubs are flooded with this garbage. Its the same problem that happened with Hip Hop. Early 90s Hip Hop was great because it wasn't in the mainstream. Now, every person who can throw a rhymn together has an album....and most of the songs are complete garbage.

As far as the EDM music scene goes, this has already happened. Most production comes out of Europe where EDM is mainstream.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Nov-05-2008 16:21:

quote:
Originally posted by The Highroller
As far as the EDM music scene goes, this has already happened. Most production comes out of Europe where EDM is mainstream.

I agree that the EDM scene is mainstream in Europe....however, the new found glory of EDM in North America is only making the problem worse. You now have even more producers sitting in their basements making tracks and flooding the market with them.

There is a huge difference between the mainstream in Europe and the mainstream commercialization in north america. The money and the glory is found in north america....north americans will eat up whatever garbage they are told is a hit....regardless of how good it is.

Posted by LKD on Nov-05-2008 16:45:

really...all those who think that pushing EDM to mainstream isnt worth it, if u still want parties to happen and those big names to come in, u need new fans....its not like people still attend parties when they have full out families etc etc...eventually the current club goer fades away from the scene...without some kind of push, it would be hard to maintain anything..

PS. come to think of it, we used to call this a scene but now its part of the music industry. deal with it.

Posted by Shaya007 on Nov-05-2008 17:06:

Changes..

http://www.theguvernment.com/uploaded/contact/index.html

Posted by LKD on Nov-05-2008 17:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Shaya007
Changes..

http://www.theguvernment.com/upload...tact/index.html

lol @ Careth Emery & carethemery.com

someone was asleep on the job

Posted by jchung52 on Nov-05-2008 17:36:

thats brutal

Posted by BANDIT on Nov-05-2008 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by chinamon
there is no need to hate because the hate is what could destroy us.

I'm just saying, I liked crowd and the scene better before z103 started to broadcast from the Guv.

Posted by Shaya007 on Nov-05-2008 18:07:

quote:
Originally posted by jchung52
thats brutal

i'm told now this was made before the changes took place..

Posted by jchung52 on Nov-05-2008 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Shaya007
i'm told now this was made before the changes took place..

no i mean the careth emery

Posted by Sasha on Nov-06-2008 01:43:

Posted by kotsy on Nov-06-2008 02:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Sasha

sweet
sucks that YM got bumped though

looks like someone actually put up a petition for M&S

http://www.petitiononline.com/MS2008/petition.html

Posted by Endlesswave on Nov-06-2008 02:15:

quote:
Originally posted by The Highroller
Upon further reflection, although these new changes at The Guv (rock in the D'luxe, mashup in The Drink) could and probably will cause some clashes in crowd, I wonder if The Guv is really pushing to start getting EDM out to the masses. I think a huge market is developing in the mainstream for EDM and "rave"-esque clubbing. People, mainly the youth generation, are getting bored of the hip-hop, emo-rock, etc from the past generation. For example, it seems like 75% of the conversation I hear with my friends outside of the scene in the past 2 weeks is about how Tiesto is coming and how excited they are for it.

I think this move could potentially bring a lot of new blood to our scene, which is a good thing.

It seems that all those whining about "the z-103" crowd are also those who whine that we don't have big festivals like the do in Europe. Do you think the 10s of thousands that go to these festivals are "in-the-know" cool dudes like all of you? Most of the people who go to European festivals and Ibiza barely know any, or none of the DJs playing. They just know that it's Ibiza, Dance Valley, Sonar, Timewarp, etc.

Also, here's a bit of a newsflash: Guvernment parties are already pretty mainstream. So sorry, but I don't think anyone would consider you "trendy", or "in-the-know" for going to The Guv. Most of the people in this category probably don't even really care about this move because they barely/rarely go The Guv anyway.

For sure. I agree with this completely.
The Drink mash up can be cool if it does bring a different type of crowd.
As for diversity in the scene the more people into things the larger it grows and soon, festivals, big ones like the Bacardi tent at V fest (and larger!)

Posted by Capo di tutti on Nov-06-2008 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by kotsy
sweet
sucks that Joee Cons got bumped though

*fixed*

Maybe we can we can swap still???

Posted by ~C~ on Nov-06-2008 02:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Aleksandra
It will be WICKED to see M&S rocking the main room.. but also sucks that the guaranteed solid music in the drink will be gone..

i agree, they will be wikked in the main room.....def. looking forward to that! but i love them in the Drink...i can't picture it without them. the vibe in there is incredible and it's ALL BECAUSE OF THEM! it's their room!!

FUCK MASH-UP

Posted by The Highroller on Nov-06-2008 02:51:

quote:
Originally posted by kotsy
sweet
sucks that YM got bumped though

They're in the Acid Lounge all night now, which is good IMO. Last few times I've been at Guv, it's been nice to have YM as a secondary option to the hideliner. They saved me night during Digweed's snoozefest tbh, lol.

Posted by kotsy on Nov-06-2008 03:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Capo di tutti
Maybe we can we can swap still???

I forgot Joee was on the bill too.. also a shame

quote:
Originally posted by The Highroller
They saved me night during Digweed's snoozefest tbh, lol.

I remember that night. They were fuckin' annihilating acid!

Posted by ~C~ on Nov-06-2008 03:17:

quote:
Originally posted by chinamon
funny thing is majority of club-goers dont like gallery just because of the "dirty" and "smelly" aspects of that room. if they can get that room better ventilation (and better sound) then it has the potential to be truly amazing. i can honestly say that ive never had a good time in gallery to the point there i wanted to stay for more than 10 minutes. the music/talent is good but the people in there are absolutely disgusting.

i hate to agree with this....but i do. I also go in there everytime for the talent and expecting to have a good time, and yeah, i rarely have been satisfied with my experiences in there. I stay about 20mins at the most, end up feeling dirty and disgusting, and decide to go back to The Drink or Guv. For me it's mostly about quality of sound, and the sound system just doesn't do the DJ's justice. and it's WAY TOO HOT!!!!! i hate suanas disguised as clubs.

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Nov-06-2008 04:41:

Posted by kotsy on Nov-06-2008 05:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Nick Cenik
earplugs are a must.

that goes for the entire guv complex

Posted by teufel-man on Nov-06-2008 05:24:

Posted by Capo di tutti on Nov-06-2008 14:45:

quote:
Originally posted by teufel-man
Solid Post!

I don't know...Love M&S and Love the Gallery.....

Gallery crowd...Drink crowd....2 different crowds, one no better than the other as I like to party with both, but still different....

Will Joe and Fab step it up to a zone calibre or will they keep the sound in they typically play in the drink? I'd love to see them bang it out like they do at zone or like they did at footwork....

I think some dj's are made for the gallery...I'm not going to name name's but not all of our locals fit the room or sound...which is fine i just hope that whoever is booking the gallery can acknowledge that....

I'll personally miss the whole process of bouncing from drink to gallery all night.

We were very lucky to have M&S rip it all night in one room, as mentioned it really feels like they its ACTUALLY their room...that being said as the indie rock venture fails in the gallery so will mashup in the drink, as it is truely a fad...sure it will be around in a couple of years but i see it as the whole electro phase toronto went through a couple of years back.

I'd like to say joe and fab will be back in the drink by this time or sooner next year...with the bi weekly slot in the mainroom, they have definite oppurtunity to seize the mainroom...

Posted by darouge11 on Nov-06-2008 14:50:

quote:
Originally posted by kotsy
that goes for the entire guv complex

if your a softy

Posted by funkapotamus on Nov-11-2008 07:56:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze
Wait......so.....you're saying that they're replacing M&S in the drink for mash-up style?!?!?

So they took house out of the gallery for emo-shit-rock, which fucking SUCKED, and now they're taking M&S out of the drink for mash-up shit??!?!

What the FUCK is guvernment thinking, did someone else take over?!? They're on crack...ya sure its change, but for fuck sakes, its 100% GARBAGE change....

YIKES

I can't see this lasting long, soon the theme will be replaced by straight edge punk.

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Nov-11-2008 14:23:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze
Wait......so.....you're saying that they're replacing M&S in the drink for mash-up style?!?!?

So they took house out of the gallery for emo-shit-rock, which fucking SUCKED, and now they're taking M&S out of the drink for mash-up shit??!?!

What the FUCK is guvernment thinking, did someone else take over?!? They're on crack...ya sure its change, but for fuck sakes, its 100% GARBAGE change....

YIKES

if you were into mash-ups then you wouldn't think its garbage

Posted by chinamon on Nov-11-2008 19:55:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
if you were into mash-ups then you wouldn't think its garbage

exactly.
mashup has been huge in the toronto club scene for quite some time now but most people here have been living under a rock so they would have no idea.

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