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Originally posted by LazFX its not what is said but implied. the years lurking and years I have been a member of this board has given me all the examples I need. Before expressing optimism about what might be, let's look at what is. As the New York Times rightly suggests this weekend, the Hamas party platform, articulated in the 1988 Hamas Charter, provides a useful prism to understand the mentality of Hamas (a.k.a. The Islamic Resistance Movement). Just read the Hamas Charter and it will leave you utterly depressed about the prospects for Middle East peace. quote: Here are some of the lowpoints: * Hamas is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood (Art. 2); * Hamas' goal is Jihad and the death of Jews (Art. 7); * Jihad is the path of Hamas, and death for Allah its most sublime belief (Art. 8); * The land of Palestine is an Islamic inheritance (Art. 11); * All Muslims are duty-bound to commit Jihad against Israel (Art. 12); * Peace is not an option (Art. 13); * Muslims everywhere are duty-bound to liberate Palestine (Art. 14); * Muslims must study the enemy, looking for weak spots (Art. 16); * Western culture is a Zionist plot to distance women from Islam (Art. 17) * Women must train their children to become Jihad fighters (Art. 18); * Enemies rule the world through intermediaries such as the United Nations (Art. 22); * The PLO is too secular (Art. 27); * All Arab states must support Jihad (Art. 28); * All Muslim leaders must support Jihad (Art. 30); * Hamas cares about human rights and religious toleration, provided all other religions live in the shadow of Islam (Art. 31); * Peace accords are treacherous schemes of Zionists (Art. 32); * Jihad will not end until liberation is complete (Art. 33); and * Palestine is the navel of the earth and Jihad is our answer to the Christian Crusades (Art. 34). At least in my view if one supports Hamas in any way shape or form, ie; on this board, one accepts Hamas' platform That is why I have always denounced Israel and Hamas in this cluster fuck... both of them are at fault and both share the blame, but some on this board may support Hamas just cause its the "in thing" to do.... my opinion among 1000000s in this world that we all have to live in

And people wonder why I don't like Hamas...
This is what you get for ass-u-me-ing everyone knew what Hamas' charter was...

Someone care to point out ANYTHING is Isreal's charter that reciprocates Hamas's? Anyone? Beuler...

/yea...didn't think so...

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 What does it matter if israel kills 300 militants in response to the death of 1 israeli civilian? It would be entirely appropriate for israel to eliminate every person who threatens its citizens. As a result, the death of 300 palestinians on its face means nothing. If israel kills 300 militants in response to the death of one israeli civilian that is entirely proportional. Once the civilian death toll starts increasing that when proportionality becomes an issue.

Good thing Hezbollah showed proportional restraint in the Israeli Lebanon war.

Israel Military Deaths:
120 dead
Israel Civilians Deaths:
43 dead

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Originally posted by tathi Good thing Hezbollah showed proportional restraint in the Israeli Lebanon war. Israel Military Deaths: 120 dead Israel Civilians Deaths: 43 dead

what's your point?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i guess that's a good reason to kill the children as well.

LOL lets kill your children and see what happens to you.

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Originally posted by tathi Good thing Hezbollah showed proportional restraint in the Israeli Lebanon war. Israel Military Deaths: 120 dead Israel Civilians Deaths: 43 dead

Im no supporter of of what Israel did in Lebanon by anymeans, but I dont think any restraint was excercised by Hezbollah, they just didnt have enough access to the civilian population centers, whereas they engaged in close quarter battles with the IDF(IOF) in their own turf where airstrikes couldn't be called in...hence the 3:1 ratio

...Mosaad/IDF will pick random infrastructure targets. from that day on they wait and twiddle their thumbs for an infringement that will be "acceptable" to retalliate in such a manner and they will somehow still be seen as the victim by the international community. then they engage in a jerk circle.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru LOL lets kill your children and see what happens to you.

i'm all for it, kill all zero of them. i actually beat the hamas to it, i paid for my gf to get an abortion when i was 19.

Some of the latest headlines ...

Israel allows humanitarian aid into battered Gaza

Egypt refuses full opening of Gaza crossing

Palestinian youth with explosive device arrested near Nablus

Well, it's a start. I have little confidence that they will go far enough to actually change anything, however. Far more innocents will die for Israel's restraint than ever will for their excess.

Most all involved are fools; as far as I am concerned they may proceed expeditiously to their graves.

The Shin Bet says some Hamas militans are hiding inside a hospital in Gaza, some of them disguised as doctors and nurses.
Also, the Israeli Air Force says the Hamas squads that launch the rockets tend to operate near towns and civilians in order to use them as human shields.

A decision wether to enter Gaza using ground forces will probably be made today.

Double post.

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Originally posted by IlanG The Shin Bet says some Hamas militans are hiding inside a hospital in Gaza, some of them disguised as doctors and nurses. Also, the Israeli Air Force says the Hamas squads that launch the rockets tend to operate near towns and civilians in order to use them as human shields. A decision wether to enter Gaza using ground forces will probably be made today.

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Originally posted by buitre Some of the latest headlines ... Israel allows humanitarian aid into battered Gaza Egypt refuses full opening of Gaza crossing Palestinian youth with explosive device arrested near Nablus

Others you may have missed:

Israel rejects truce call, attacks Gaza

Israel rejects truce calls, presses on with Gaza offensive

Israel Says Temporary Truce in Gaza Would Be Mistake

There are two sides to the story (I'm not picking sides). It's all well and good to post links that support your opinion but it's a little disingenuous to be so one-sided.

Arab govermnents have banned NY celebrations to show solidarity

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi Arab govermnents have banned NY celebrations to show solidarity

just another example as to why arab countries rule!

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Originally posted by pmoisse Others you may have missed: Israel rejects truce call, attacks Gaza Israel rejects truce calls, presses on with Gaza offensive Israel Says Temporary Truce in Gaza Would Be Mistake There are two sides to the story (I'm not picking sides). It's all well and good to post links that support your opinion but it's a little disingenuous to be so one-sided.

And what's that has to do with anything? Truce will be achieved only when rockets will stop landing in civillian areas in here. They refused to renew the 6-months-long cease-fire and started this attack about 10 days ago - they should've known the results.

And I almost forgot about the 'terror mosque'.

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Originally posted by IlanG The Shin Bet says some Hamas militans are hiding inside a hospital in Gaza, some of them disguised as doctors and nurses. Also, the Israeli Air Force says the Hamas squads that launch the rockets tend to operate near towns and civilians in order to use them as human shields.

Total and utterly ridiculous non-sense.

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Originally posted by Krypton Total and utterly ridiculous non-sense.

why is it non-sense that hamas uses palestinian civilians? by operating among civilians, hamas knows that israel will attack those positions causing civilian deaths which will give hamas support among the civilian population.

I found the source you guys are talking about
those double crossing snakes!

Let's face it, you cant claim theyre hiding behind kids to avoid attack. They just enlist them at an earlier age.

Sucks to be this Palestinian kid....fuck, I wish Hama...oh wait, what do we have here-that doesnt look like arabic :S

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi I found the source you guys are talking about those double crossing snakes!

Sad, bue true:

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 why is it non-sense that hamas uses palestinian civilians? by operating among civilians, hamas knows that israel will attack those positions causing civilian deaths which will give hamas support among the civilian population.

exactly. portion of an editorial written today called "Israel, Hamas, and Moral Idiocy"

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The firing of rockets at civilians from densely populated civilian areas is the newest tactic in the war between terrorists who love death and democracies that love life. The terrorists have learned how to exploit the morality of democracies against those who do not want to kill civilians, even enemy civilians. The attacks on Israeli citizens have little to do with what Israel does or does not do. They have everything to do with an ideology that despises- and openly seeks to destroy - the Jewish state. Consider that rocket attacks increased substantially after Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005, and they accelerated further after Hamas seized control last year. In the past months, a shaky cease-fire, organized by Egypt, was in effect. Hamas agreed to stop the rockets and Israel agreed to stop taking military action against Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip. The cease-fire itself was morally dubious and legally asymmetrical. Israel, in effect, was saying to Hamas: If you stop engaging in the war crime of targeting our innocent civilians, we will stop engaging in the entirely lawful military acts of targeting your terrorists. Under the cease-fire, Israel reserved the right to engage in self-defense actions such as attacking terrorists who were in the course of firing rockets at its civilians. Just before the hostilities began, Israel reopened a checkpoint to allow humanitarian aid to reenter Gaza. It had closed the point of entry after it had been targeted by Gazan rockets. Israel's prime minister, Ehud Olmert, also issued a stern, final warning to Hamas that unless it stopped the rockets, there would be a full-scale military response. The Hamas rockets continued and Israel kept its word, implementing a carefully prepared targeted air attack against Hamas targets. On Sunday, I spoke to the air force general, now retired, who worked on the planning of the attack. He told me of the intelligence and planning that had gone into preparing for the contingency that the military option might become necessary. The Israeli air force had pinpointed with precision the exact locations of Hamas structures in an effort to minimize civilian casualties. Even Hamas sources have acknowledged that the vast majority of those killed have been Hamas terrorists, though some civilian casualties are inevitable when, as BBC's Rushdi Abou Alouf � who is certainly not pro-Israel � reported, "The Hamas security compounds are in the middle of the city." Indeed, his home balcony was just 20 meters away from a compound he saw bombed.

Rest of tha article here--> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1231/p09s02-coop.html

(yes, it's written by Alan Dershowitz who's a Jew)

"Arab Youths Open Fire On Israeli Workers in Denmark"

This will definitely raise sympathies for Gazans under fire by the Israeli military:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2...copenhagen.html

we don't see roving bands of Jews in Denmark or anywhere else shooting at unarmed Arab merchants in shopping malls, either. That's another point in context for this attack.

In front of the Israeli Embassy in Denmark



These chants of "Down down Israel", "the Jews are Allah's enemies", and "Allah loves martyrs" simply reflect the short sighted thought process of these animals.

^^
I hope when you say "these animals", you're not referring to all arabs/muslims. You're just resorting to the same level of name calling if you are.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi ^^ I hope when you say "these animals", you're not referring to all arabs/muslims.

What else would they be, fungi? Hmm, you might be on to something. I have a friend who's an arab (although not a muslim) and I have to admit, he's a pretty fun guy.

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