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Should be another good race!! I think the pace of the Toyota's is genuine, though them and the Brawns are lighter at the start. Not sure how that will play into it, and we also won't know about which tires teams are starting on until they form up on the grid. Hopefully the shitbag soft tires last a bit longer than in Australia.
Grid lineup and weights, courtesy autosport.com:
Pos. Driver Team Car weight (kg)
1. Button Brawn-Mercedes 660
2. Trulli Toyota 656.5
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 647 (will be penalized 10 places)
4. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 664.5 (will be penalized 5 places)
5. Glock Toyota 656.5
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 656
7. Webber Red Bull-Renault 656
8. Kubica BMW-Sauber 663
9. Raikkonen Ferrari 662.5
10. Alonso Renault 680.5
11. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 692
12. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 683.4
13. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 688
14. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 688.9
15. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 670.5
16. Massa Ferrari 689.5
17. Piquet Renault 681.9
18. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 680.5
19. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 655.5
20. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 686.5
Dry start to the race, but damn, there's some dark clouds on the horizon!
Is gonna rain!
and how ! 
Sucks the race didnt finish... but it was pretty good racing. Very good passing through the race, then the tire strategies became a huge factor.
Big lulz on Kimi getting full rain tires way too early.
race didn't finish ? shit, I turned my TV off too soon
Sooner the Moto Gp Starts the better 
Or when Rossi and Vettel team up for Ferrari 
That would be nice
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| Originally posted by nchs09 Sucks the race didnt finish... but it was pretty good racing. Very good passing through the race, then the tire strategies became a huge factor. Big lulz on Kimi getting full rain tires way too early. |
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| Originally posted by nchs09 Man, i wanted brawn to do good becaues they where new... but i allready hate them. fucking shit....!!!! |
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| Originally posted by Philby huh? why do you hate them?? |
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| Originally posted by mickeymarley Sooner the Moto Gp Starts the better Or when Rossi and Vettel team up for Ferrari That would be nice |
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| Originally posted by nchs09 Becuase they are doing better than Mclaren.. Well, almost everyone is, so i hate everyone equally. |
This day might come sooner than you're prepared for! All it would take is a strong showing by Feces or Sutil and they grab a lucky 7th.
Fuck, liar-gate is crazy shit! Hamilton thinking of quitting Mclaren, FIA thinking of throwing McLaren and Hamilton out of the championships...
Honestly, they fucked up hard on this one. It was not honest mistake, and it was a completely deliberate attempt to get more points by pointing the blame at another driver. But, the single worst part, is that they lied after the race to the Stewards, then lied again four days later!
This is almost worse than spy-gate, because that was one person in the McLaren org trying to cheat. This was discussed between lots of people, and they consciously chose to lie.
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| Hamilton, Ryan refused to change story Lewis Hamilton and McLaren's former sporting director Dave Ryan refused to change their story about having deliberately let Jarno Trulli through at the Australian Grand Prix, despite being played radio conversations and media interviews that suggested the contrary in their second stewards' hearing at Sepang. This week's AUTOSPORT reveals that Hamilton and Ryan maintained their stance in that second hearing that Trulli had taken it upon himself to overtake the McLaren in the closing stages of the Melbourne race, even though the stewards presented them with fresh evidence to say they were lying. In the first detailed account of the stewards' hearings that have resulted in McLaren being called before the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, AUTOSPORT reports that Ryan and Hamilton stuck to their original story when recalled for the second hearing. An FIA source told AUTOSPORT: "First of all, Lewis heard the radio exchange. It appeared that the strategy was to be extremely vague and not be very direct with the answers. Then the interview where he said, 'I was told to let him through' was played. "At that point they both got very uncomfortable, but still denied that's what had actually happened. "It was a bit surreal, this situation where you had the radio evidence and the interview, and they were putting a completely different interpretation on what the words actually meant. But the words were very, very clear." FIA race director Charlie Whiting has also revealed that Hamilton denied more than once in the original hearing in Australia that he had let Trulli pass him. Whiting said: "When asked very clearly, 'Did you consciously let him past, did you pull over to let him past', he [Hamilton] said, 'No'. The question was asked more than once. He was adamant that he hadn't slowed down and hadn't let Trulli past." |
There is no way they will throw them out of the championship.. season just started.
Woot, the FIA has found the twin diffuser from Braw/Toyota and Williams to be legal.
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| FIA declares double diffusers legal The FIA International Court of Appeal has declared the double-decker diffuser designs used by Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams as legal. Following overnight deliberation by the judges after a court hearing in Paris on Tuesday, the ICA has rejected the appeals lodged by Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Renault. BMW Sauber and McLaren had also entered the appeal as affected parties. A statement issued by the FIA on Wednesday morning said: "The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship. "Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations." The ICA's decision is a blow to those teams that did not pursue the design concept when they created their 2009 cars - as it is widely accepted that the double-decker diffusers have brought a performance advantage. Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen suggested last week that the diffuser decision would be vital for the outcome of the world title - with his team likely to have to wait for several races before being able to fit a suitable one to their car. "The FIA's Court of Appeal will decide about the diffuser and this decision will have an enormous impact on the championship," Raikkonen said. "We're missing grip and downforce. You just need to analyse the performance in the three sectors at Sepang to understand that we're losing a lot compared to the best cars. You could see it especially in the middle sector where downforce is really crucial. The row over the diffusers has also led to intense confrontation between the rival factions - with Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn being on the receiving end of attacks from Renault and Ferrari about his use of the diffuser concept. However, he has stood firm in his belief that the design was legal � and confirmed recently that he offered rivals the chance to close off the regulations to prevent teams exploiting the diffuser designs, but they rejected the opportunity. "In March 2008 that was offered," said Brawn, when asked by AUTOSPORT about the matter. "If I'm frank I didn't say 'look we are going to do this diffuser if you don't accept this rule' because I'm not going to tell people what we're doing, but I explained that I felt that we should have a different set of rules to simplify what needs to be done. "I offered them and they were rejected, so my conscience is very clear. And those rules that I put on the table would have stopped a lot of things. It would have stopped the diffuser, it would have stopped all those bargeboards around the front, and it would have cleaned the cars up. "Because it was clear that when we started to work on the regulations that there were things that you could do, and we needed to perhaps clean them up, but nobody was interested. They are interested now." http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74475 |
^ Thank fuck that the FIA showed some common sense.
Now everyone has to play catch-up which should make for some interesting racing.
I also like how Brawn was on record last year about this potential gray area and none of the other teams wanted to re-write this section of the rules.
Brawn is a stand up guy, and certainly knows his shit. Good for him, and coming out to say: i told you so.
I'm also glad to see William back near the front with an advanced design. I was fearing for the worst over the last few years after BMW left. With the economic downturn, lack of resources of a factory team, and therefore lack of results, I was thinking they were on their way out.
Ferrari is in serious trouble. They have now removed Luca Baldisarri (sp?) from any roll on the racing team. Shit is hitting the fan.
^ Exactly, though Frank has always been saying that his team can do more with less than any other on the grid. Here's their chance and they are proving it for sure.
Ferrari is in a bad way for sure. Not since the late 80's have they appeared as outwardly shaken. They had a crap run in the 90's too, but were much more cool about it. It will be interesting to see how them and McLaren bounce back. I almost think that either team is too "big" to adapt quickly enough to this.
BMW stands a better chance, as does Red Bull. Newey is staying home from the race this weekend to design an update that they hope to have for Monaco
I wonder if they will fix the rule for 2010
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| Originally posted by stren I wonder if they will fix the rule for 2010 |
Theissen says it does create dirty air for the following car. I'll take his expertise over yours.
^ Ouch
Well, if they keep limiting everything, and making "standard" components, we'll be left for F1 cars being no more cutting edge than A1GP of GP2 cars.
I say open up the regs, but I've already made that rant earlier in the thread I think lol
Oh, and from wiki
"A diffuser, in an automotive context, is a shaped section of the car underbody which improves the car's aerodynamic properties by enhancing the transition between the high-velocity airflow underneath the car and the much slower freestream airflow of the ambient atmosphere. It works by providing a space for the underbody airflow to decelerate and expand so that the boundary between the car's airflow and "external" airflow is less turbulent. It also provides a degree of "wake infill" (the wake being a turbulent area of low pressure that is caused by the passage of the vehicle through the air; this can cause pressure drag).
As the air enters towards the front of the car it accelerates and reduces pressure. There is a second suction peak at the transition of the flat bottom and diffuser. The diffuser then eases this high velocity air back to normal velocity and also helps fill in the area behind the car making the whole underbody a more efficient downforce producing device by reducing drag on the car and increasing downforce.
The aft part of a car underbody can be a diffuser. It works to bring the low pressure air below the car back to the ambient atmospheric pressure without inducing turbulence. It uses Bernoulli's principle, such that the pressure increases while the velocity decreases. Since the pressure below the car is lower than on the side and above the car, downforce is produced if implemented correctly. Injecting the exhaust into the rear diffuser can also help extract the air from below the car. The exhaust gasses effectively energize the boundary layer, helping to raise the pressure of the low-pressure, fast-moving airstream back to the ambient atmospheric pressure at the exit of the diffuser. This helps extract the air more efficiently from the underbody."
No disrespect to Dr. Thiessen, but I wasn't wrong in what I said. He's pissed that his cars weren't designed with this interpretatoin of the rule in mind.
Fucking awesome diffuser fucking with my team
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| Originally posted by pmoisse diffusers create downforce without creating a huge mess of dirty air behind the car. |
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| "After the death of (Ayrton) Senna the principle was to not give certain (ground) effects to the cars, but now suddenly it's all legal," the Italian told La Gazzetta dello Sport. He said the current pecking order, with Renault, McLaren and Ferrari struggling, and the Brawn Mercedes drivers out in front, is an affront to F1's credibility. "Our drivers are or have been world champions, and then you have a (Brawn) driver who was almost retired, and another who is a 'paracarro', fighting for the championship," said Briatore. "I don't know how we can say we have credibility." A 'paracarro' is a concrete roadside post, and it is not clear if Briatore was referring to Button or Barrichello. With a modified diffuser, Lewis Hamilton was quickest on Friday morning in China, but Briatore doubts the original 'diffuser three' can be so easily caught. "It is impossible to recover the ground we have lost on those teams," he insisted. "In three or four races the championship will be decided and I don't know what the interest of the TV viewers will be when Button has 60 points and Nakajima 50. " "It will be better to listen only on radio and watch something else," said Briatore. He also said the current situation has made a mockery of Max Mosley's proposal to impose a 33m euro budget cap next year. "We have spent 15 on KERS, another 10 on the diffuser, so we have five left for travel and to pay the employees," said Briatore. |
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