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THEY ARE ALL FUCKING SQUATING DOWN TOGETHER LIKE A BUNCH OF SHEEP DUCKS!

Seriously, where the glow sticks and fucking kandi and fluorescent pink and green leg warmers? Fucking shite.

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Originally posted by enydo I agree, I've enjoyed a lot of the Magda sets I've heard, I just think the track in the video lacks spirit or something, I dunno.

yea its a very cold, sparse track. I would never in a million years buy a Duoteque record but if someone else wants to play it I'll get down.

and btw that Abel Ramos video is the most offensive thing I've seen a dj do in a long time. Its a good thing he's far away from the people, most likely out of range of bottles being tossed.

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Originally posted by Clovis I think it has much less to do with being jaded and far more to do with how deep you're into dance music. That and personal taste. If you're REALLY into good cheese the Ralphs brand ultra pasturized factory Brie isn't quite going to be as satisfying as a Camembert you brought back from a farm in France. It's the same way with many things art related. To me thats mostly what matters of taste are too, it's like, what satisfies you? What really intrigues and what doesn't? From movies, to food, to music it's all similar. You can be satisfied with ridiculously formulaic, lazy and predictable dance music, or you can demand better and not settle for less, and not compromise for something that isn't as interesting. I don't think dance music needs to be some ridiculous masterpiece or every track re-invent the wheel, but I do like to keep it at a minimum interesting, even if I can't really describe what that means. Plus, when you're a DJ trying to play what you deem to be the best music out there, the way you think about and consume this music changes a LOT. You need that hunger to always try and find something better and more interesting to really stand out. You compromise less on "ok" tracks..etc.

thanks for that nice response. how ive always seen it, is an analogy to the visual art world.

for example, deep underground dance music would be something like:



and DJ Scooter would be:


if i were an abstract artist trying to make it in the art world that pulls in a small crowd at cafes and bars, and then i saw some new guy come along and make art that is less abstract but gets the job done and attracts a big crowd ... yea id be pissed too and insult it.

lol gustav himself posted this shit up today on ableton forums

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=110242

"Gustavo Bravetti, Driving Crowds Wild with a Wave of His Wii-Enabled Hands"

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Originally posted by hundred lol gustav himself posted this shit up today on ableton forums http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=110242 "Gustavo Bravetti, Driving Crowds Wild with a Wave of His Wii-Enabled Hands"

Too bad it wasnt "with a wave of his wii hands" cause then id think of a midget DJ.

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Originally posted by stev�sto if i were an abstract artist trying to make it in the art world that pulls in a small crowd at cafes and bars, and then i saw some new guy come along and make art that is less abstract but gets the job done and attracts a big crowd ... yea id be pissed too and insult it.

man, it's not about pulling in a small crowd, it's about pulling in the right crowd. if all you're worried about doing is pulling in a crowd, then most likely what you're doing will be forgotten once people get bored.

if you think abstract artists who started small like josef albers, jean arp, willem de kooning, damien hirst, wassily kadinsky, robert motherwell, philip guston, tony cragg and joan miro were jealous of the 'new guy coming along making less abstract art'...then you really don't have a clue of what the abstract expressionist movement was all about.

that being said, that star wars picture is pretty fucking awesome

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Originally posted by stev�sto thanks for that nice response. how ive always seen it, is an analogy to the visual art world. for example, deep underground dance music would be something like: and DJ Scooter would be: if i were an abstract artist trying to make it in the art world that pulls in a small crowd at cafes and bars, and then i saw some new guy come along and make art that is less abstract but gets the job done and attracts a big crowd ... yea id be pissed too and insult it.

It has less to do with "new guy" and more to do with your standard of quality. Cheap art, hotel room paintings, are not gonna cut it.

But like I said, I don't think it's that big of a divide in edm. Dance music in general is very simplistic and formulaic. It's just a matter of which way you swing within there.

I was listening to some Alice Coltrane the other day, and that type of music puts almost all the 4/4 club music I listen to to SHAME. Or comparing the complexities of classical music compositions to dance music, it's absurd. (I absolutely hate it when people do that) Club music doesn't have to reinvent the wheel like I said, but it can still be more interesting and stimulating inside of that sphere.

Yea, lets not forget that the main point to DJ's playing dance music is to get you moving and sweaty and thirsty so you buy beer/alcohol or water.

The original purpose of the DJ is an advertiser of music and services, and very little has changed.

you know.. the majority of this thread is massively elitest.. end of the day.. a DJ is an entertainer.. prodominantly by audio.. but this guy has just added a visual element.. im not a expert on this style of music, but to me it sounds pretty fucking good. who gives a rats ass if all he has done is programmed ableton to be triggered by 2 wiimotes?

the end result [i think] is rather pleasing. besides the guy must be doing something right in order to snatch himself a gig like that.

i beleieve there was a topic a few weeks ago about laptop DJs being boring to look at.. well i guess this is one way of jazzing it up.

i wouldnt say this guy is a pioneer and a fucking god or the new tiesto [fucking hate tiesto btw] hes just making his own take on playing to a crowd.

yeah he looks like a bit of a penis to the majority of us, who let dancemusic overwhelm us and we focus on productions and are so readily focussed on criticising anything new or different. but at the end of the day the crowd seem to like it... so no harm no foul

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] we focus on productions and are so readily focussed on criticising anything new or different. but at the end of the day the crowd seem to like it... so no harm no foul

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Has nothing to do with it being "new or different"

I like a lot of stuff that is "new or different"

The fact that it's so gimmicky overpowers any credibility this has for being "new". It's a poor attempt at originality regardless.

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] end of the day.. a DJ is an entertainer.. tiesto but at the end of the day the crowd seem to like it...

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Originally posted by wotyzoid The fact that it's so gimmicky overpowers any credibility this has for being "new". It's a poor attempt at originality regardless.

I think I would substitute "veiled" for "poor".

He's pretending to be original but nothing new is going on.

just watched this movie again... all gayness aside.. this is fucking good music to me.

i tend to not listen to anything below 150BPM as a rule so am not clued up on all this stuff, what style is this? id like to maybe check a set out of stuff liek this, or perhaps a DJ set from a TA, but as i dont know what style this would be called, i dont know what to look for in 'DJ promotion' section

LOL yeah, go ahead, wave your wii controller around, you look really cool Gustavo

since gustavo is the equivalent of tiesto in the minimal genre, has anyone seen tiesto doing a live performance with wii-motes, or even a midi or something?











ya, i thought so, there another fail to the TO

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Originally posted by nchs09

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Originally posted by stev�sto i sense some jealousy in this thread! cuz you know, making mixes like animal crackers or deep spaces with a traditional dj setup - mixer + 2 turntables, is the future, right?

Shit music and shit DJ etiquette... yeah, I'm real jealous.

There are quite a few efficient and practical alternatives to the traditional turntable setup, but a Wii-mote is not one of them.

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Originally posted by Dj Minaya

hahahaha what a waste of time also that movie that nachos posted, wow that just sounded plain awful haha

I am 4 pages late to the argument, but I'll still add my 2 cents

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Originally posted by bas Yeah and using a generic controller to trigger an Ableton effect while standing on a speaker stack is SO cutting edge omg! http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/...-remote-teaser/

This guy gets his Ableton Live tutorials posted to CreateDigitalMusic all the time and while they are pretty good, I have been appalled by the quality of his 'music'. Bunch of envelopes and it sounds like shit.

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Originally posted by nchs09

LOL at the cunts next to him on the stage bobbing their heads to his dumbass moves

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Originally posted by Dj Minaya

He should try that with his dick. But I gotta say, that crowd is huge.

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