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Originally posted by Yohan you do realize that these terrorists are against basic 'Canadian' values? democracy, human rights, equality whatever. stuff like that we take it as basis of a cultured society?

Well, I'm with you on that. But truth of the matter is that to a large extend it's not just the terrorists but the Islam itself is against some of our values. On the other hand, some of our western culture is against their values, which is why it's important we stay away from the middle east and mind our own business.

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in the end it doesn't matter for these nutjobs who they target, because their end goal is their perverted vision of Islam on earth. If it isn't the Yanks they target, it would be someone else.

You mentioned an uberly important point and that's one of the reasons why the middle east issue is very complicated. But when I separate politics from reality I strongly believe that your point has been exaggerated to a very large extend in the western culture and there is no real treat of Islam invading the world or even trying to. The only government who really pretends that wants this to happen is Iran, now why Iran would never ever try to this is an entirely different discussion.

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I give a rat's ass about humanity in general and I don't want shitheads like these Islamic fundamentalists on earth stealing my oxygen. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and hoping that all this will blow over isn't going to help. So if you think a little girl in Afghanistan deserves to be ruled by Taliban and their wacky ideas and not have a chance to get basic rights that we Canadians take for granted, well. What else can I really say?

The only case where I would be the ostrich with my head in the sand is if you actually have the solution and I'm just being stupid and ignoring the solution. But that is not the case, because going to middle east and killing a mix of innocent and extremists is not the solution and would only make the matter worst, again that's just part the problem.

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Originally posted by Yohan you do realize that these terrorists are against basic 'Canadian' values? democracy, human rights, equality whatever. stuff like that we take it as basis of a cultured society?

By your logic, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Benin, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Jamaica, Kiribati, North Korea, South Korea, Latvia, Lesotha, Lithuania, Mali, Malta, Mexico, Micronesia, Mongolia, Namibia, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Palau, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Thailand, Taiwan, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Ukraine, United Kingdom, & Uruguay should also be bombed the shit out of by all these damn terrorists....hmmm funny how USA is the main target though...

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Originally posted by El K Dee By your logic, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Benin, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Jamaica, Kiribati, North Korea, South Korea, Latvia, Lesotha, Lithuania, Mali, Malta, Mexico, Micronesia, Mongolia, Namibia, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Palau, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Thailand, Taiwan, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Ukraine, United Kingdom, & Uruguay should also be bombed the shit out of by all these damn terrorists....hmmm funny how USA is the main target though...

quoted because you were stupid and put north korea in there.

south korea twice, and a few countries that could be considered as terrorist friendly.


i am selling my laptop, only 5 million dollars.

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Originally posted by spolitta it's important we stay away from the middle east and mind our own business.

But does the middle east mind their own business?

Hold on a sec.. did I hear this right??

"... Andrew Leslie, an unusual name for a man"
"ha - Leslie"

They sure have some SMRT and mature journalists working there -- wow.

(actually, I think using the word "journalists" is a little too credible...)

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Originally posted by Aleksandra Hold on a sec.. did I hear this right?? "... Andrew Leslie, an unusual name for a man" "ha - Leslie" They sure have some SMRT and mature journalists working there -- wow. (actually, I think using the word "journalists" is a little too credible...)

Common that was actually pretty funny. Who hasn't made fun of a guy named Leslie?

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Originally posted by Orko Common that was actually pretty funny. Who hasn't made fun of a guy named Leslie?

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Originally posted by Aleksandra Hold on a sec.. did I hear this right?? "... Andrew Leslie, an unusual name for a man" "ha - Leslie" They sure have some SMRT and mature journalists working there -- wow. (actually, I think using the word "journalists" is a little too credible...)

yeah seriously

The guy's name is Andrew...

and I think they're past the age of finding that funny + they're on tv...

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Originally posted by Orko Common that was actually pretty funny. Who hasn't made fun of a guy named Leslie?

Except his name is not Leslie--his name is Andrew--Leslie is his surname.

I spoke with General Leslie yesterday; an extremely intelligent individual. When I asked him about the remarks made on fox, he shook his head and laughed it off.

edit: You're absolutely right Aleksandra, nobody I spoke to yesterday found it the least bit funny.

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Originally posted by Orko Are you aware of the disparity between internet penetration rates and TV penetration rates in the USA, especially in rural USA? Canada is one of the most connected countries in the world because of the geographic location of most of its citizens. So much of the US population is out in rural areas. I think I hear a pot calling a kettle....

i have no idea what your point is....my ignorance is now morphing into stupidity....

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Originally posted by answer? quoted because you were stupid and put north korea in there. south korea twice, and a few countries that could be considered as terrorist friendly. i am selling my laptop, only 5 million dollars.

You dumbfuck. You think I'd actually sit there and type it out?obviously its a copy and paste but hey wait a second...Do you even know what governments are in N Korea and S Korea?

So word to you, the wise one, before using your troll account that you spent a valuable 30 seconds creating to hide behind and go around name calling, do some research instead.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie But does the middle east mind their own business?

do countries in the middle east have military bases set up in other countries around the world?

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Originally posted by Aleksandra Hold on a sec.. did I hear this right?? "... Andrew Leslie, an unusual name for a man" "ha - Leslie" They sure have some SMRT and mature journalists working there -- wow. (actually, I think using the word "journalists" is a little too credible...)

They're NOT fucking journalists dammit. How many people do not understand this yet?

The show is a fucking Colbert-wannabe segment that Fox runs at 3am in the morning because they're not funny and no one watches them. In other words, it's a satirical comedy (or attempt at).

Why the hell would a real news-cast invite a COMEDIAN (Doug Bensen, also not very funny) to their discussion about foreign affairs? Damn, Canadians can be just as stupid as the Americanos. Learn to read.

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Originally posted by El K Dee do countries in the middle east have military bases set up in other countries around the world?

Yes they do, they call them "Quran learning centers". But, instead of real guns and bombs, they order tons of fertilizer to explode in downtown Toronto when they're done training with their paintball guns in the forest.

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Originally posted by El K Dee You dumbfuck. You think I'd actually sit there and type it out?obviously its a copy and paste but hey wait a second...Do you even know what governments are in N Korea and S Korea? So word to you, the wise one, before using your troll account that you spent a valuable 30 seconds creating to hide behind and go around name calling, do some research instead.

i used to teach in south korea and this is not an alt paki.

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Originally posted by answer? i used to teach in south korea and this is not an alt paki.

lol so apparently I come from Pakistan because you say so...thanks I had no idea.

Russel Peters is awesome!

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Originally posted by Spam Yes they do, they call them "Quran learning centers". But, instead of real guns and bombs, they order tons of fertilizer to explode in downtown Toronto when they're done training with their paintball guns in the forest.

edit: This thread delivers on so many levels. Classic Canadian attitude. Always worrying about what the Americans are doing/saying instead of focusing on themselves. The level of ignorance displayed here is rivaling the Americans' ignorance. Keep it up people

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Originally posted by spolitta Well, I'm with you on that. But truth of the matter is that to a large extend it's not just the terrorists but the Islam itself is against some of our values. On the other hand, some of our western culture is against their values, which is why it's important we stay away from the middle east and mind our own business.

There is a clear difference between religious and cultural differences and outright fucked up ideology that goes against what you and I believe in.

So how are you going to deal with extremist Islam that is popping up even in Canada? Clearly this issue isn't going to go away, and not being engaged and seeking isolationist stance isn't going to solve anything.

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You mentioned an uberly important point and that's one of the reasons why the middle east issue is very complicated. But when I separate politics from reality I strongly believe that your point has been exaggerated to a very large extend in the western culture and there is no real treat of Islam invading the world or even trying to. The only government who really pretends that wants this to happen is Iran, now why Iran would never ever try to this is an entirely different discussion.

It's not Islam that is the threat. It's perverted version of Islam that fundamentalists are spouting. That distinction must be made clear.

You do not have to invade with guns and bombs. You can do it with ideas and words. Already a lot of terrorist groups are getting recruits from Western worlds from mosques and madrassas they have in US, UK and wherever.
These people are trying to change the way we live our lives, like trying to get Sharia law in places. Or seeking influence in politics to change policies and whatnot.

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The only case where I would be the ostrich with my head in the sand is if you actually have the solution and I'm just being stupid and ignoring the solution. But that is not the case, because going to middle east and killing a mix of innocent and extremists is not the solution and would only make the matter worst, again that's just part the problem.

I will be honest and say that I dont even know if the present tactics and strategy in Afghanistan will work in the end.
Because it's a complicated situation that no one really foresaw that will turn into quagmire it is right now.

But then, you have people like Taliban who don't obey the international laws and they dress like civillians and play hide and go seek in mosques, schools and whatnot. Because Taliban knows they can't win by fighting in an open battlefield. They tried that few years ago and got their asses handed to them.
So even with all that modern technology and because humans make mistakes, innocent people die, getting caught in the crossfire. And Taliban want more Afghan civillians to die, because that just gets them more recruits who are angry that Yanks killed his family, and don't understand why this happened.

Is getting out of Afghanistan going to make things better? I think not.
Once NATO leaves Afghanistan, Karzai govt is going to collapse because it's not strong enough to fight Taliban on its own. So Taliban will rule again and once more women will get treated like property. Girls can't go to school. Kids can't fly kites because it distracts them from learning the Quran. (I shit you not this has happened)

Michelle Brown, the widow of Warrant Officer Brown who died few weeks ago was asked what she thought of Prime Minister Stephen Harper saying recently that Western forces could not beat the insurgency in Afghanistan.
"We may not beat the Taliban, but there are lots of things in our lives we can't beat," she responded. "You can't beat crime, but do you give up? Do you stop? Absolutely not."

Because giving up Afghanistan now means evil people like Taliban get to rule and innocent people will suffer. And it means that we, as part of humanity, gave up on other fellow humans who need our help.

I immigrated to Canada from South Korea as a kid. In 1950, North Korea invaded South Korea and almost overran the entire country in few short weeks.
Heeding the call from the UN, 16 nations volunteered to send in combat soldiers to Korea. Other nations sent help otherwise. Many of these soldiers lost their lives fighting the communists from North Korea and China.

North Korea was ruled by an evil dictator who oppressed his people in such way that can only be described evil. South Korea was also ruled by a dictator who was pretty bad too, but just slightly better than Kim Il Sung of North Korea.
Eventually, after 3 years of fighting and lots of lives lost both military and civillian, a ceasefire was signed and peace returned to South Korea.

South Korea was suppose to be a democracy but military dictatorship ruled for many years and it wasn't until late 20th century that genuine free election was held. Now, South Korea is a wealthy nation and its citizens enjoy many rights and freedoms that Canadians enjoy today. But the struggle to reach that freedom was long and hard.

If it wasn't for those soldiers that came to Korea and gave their lives to fight for South Korea, I wouldn't be here today. My family would not have the choice to immigrate or enjoy any sort of freedom and liberty at all. So it is a real pleasure for me to meet Korean vets who did not have to put their lives on the line, but choose to do for a good cause.

I believe same situation is occuring in Afghanistan. That country is a shithole. 2nd poorest country in the world. Yet it used to be pretty decent, until Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Women were allowed to walk the streets without needing to cover in burqa. Kids could go to school without worrying about running into IEDs or mines.

I no longer consider 9/11 a primary reason why I think Canada should be involved in Afghanistan. I think Canada should be involved in Afghanistan because that country needs help against evil people.
It'll be many years before Afghanistan can take care of itself. But I think if that young girl in rural Afghanistan be able to go to school, get treatment at hospitals and be able to speak her mind without fear of retribution, and one day, be able to make her own decisions, all this sacrifice will be worth it.

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Originally posted by Spam Yes they do, they call them "Quran learning centers". But, instead of real guns and bombs, they order tons of fertilizer to explode in downtown Toronto when they're done training with their paintball guns in the forest.

come on dude I think you are being WAY too paranoid here.

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Originally posted by El K Dee do countries in the middle east have military bases set up in other countries around the world?

Yup, and we need more people like Mubin Shaikh to help rat them out.

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Originally posted by Yohan I no longer consider 9/11 a primary reason why I think Canada should be involved in Afghanistan. I think Canada should be involved in Afghanistan because that country needs help against evil people. It'll be many years before Afghanistan can take care of itself. But I think if that young girl in rural Afghanistan be able to go to school, get treatment at hospitals and be able to speak her mind without fear of retribution, and one day, be able to make her own decisions, all this sacrifice will be worth it.

Awwww

Canada should mind it's own business and not try to "save the world" from evil doers for the greater good of mankind. That's such a blind fantasy it's sickening. All they're doing digging themselves into a deeper hole until finally, they'll pull out, and nothing will be solved.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Awwww Canada should mind it's own business and not try to "save the world" from evil doers for the greater good of mankind. That's such a blind fantasy it's sickening. All they're doing digging themselves into a deeper hole until finally, they'll pull out, and nothing will be solved.

great. thanks for agreeing that I shouldn't be living in Canada.

i guess we should stop giving donations to charities for africa or tsunami victims or whatever eh. because it's really none of our business

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke (attributed)

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Originally posted by Yohan i guess we should stop giving donations to charities for africa or tsunami victims or whatever eh. because it's really none of our business (attributed)

yes...please stop...humans are too emotional and until humans stop thinking emotionally and start thinking logically we should be stopped before we destroy ourselves.

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