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My biggest problem like stated in the first post is the staff. They really do act like Gestapo. I had a VIP bracelet on that I paid 75 bones for. I go up to the VIP stairs in the back and when I go up to the bouncer he ignores me for 5 seconds, then takes out that stupid flash light they always wave around, and proceeded to check my bracelet for about 10 more seconds to make sure it was legit, pulling on every centimeter of the god damn thing. Then he opened the ropes as though I should be thanking GOD himself that I got in. What in the fuck is wrong with Opera's staff?
Another complaint that I have is the strictness on leaving the club after the show. I understand perfectly that they want to get people out of there but if the DJ is still there what is the rush. I saw Digweed up on stage after the show and none of the bouncers would let me take a picture with him even though the pathetic remnants of the crowd that was there during the show had mostly gone. He said to me. "If I let you take a picture, then everyone's gonna want a picture." THERE WAS LIKE TEN FUCKING PEOPLE IN THE CLUB. Jesus, it would be one thing if the DJ wanted to gtfo but if he's standing there enjoying himself, talking to the fans then what's the difference?!? Armin was even asking people at the end of the show to come in the booth and the bouncer's still wouldn't let some fans in. I mean come on. You pay almost 100 dollars for a VIP ticket and the least you could do is let some people into the booth that are not beautiful girls or friends of the staff to take a picture with the DJ. Let's be honest the people that are in the booth that really shouldn't be there don't even appreciate the scene as much as the DIE HARD fans that paid a shit load to get there.
I am absolutely fed up with the staff at Opera. I did however get past those bastards and got my pic with Armin. That's what it's come to. Brute force and bum rushing the booth.
Congrats on the pic.
I couldn't get my pic with Markus last September cause the staff was rushing us all out even though Markus had come down to shake all our hands. I'm hoping I can get it this time.
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| Originally posted by Big Worm so, it seems like a fair number of us are at a crossroads... give up on Opera and miss seeing DJ's we love, or attend Opera and have to endure the crowd, staff, sound, etc. i think it's time that we re-examine an old acronym that everybody knows... i'm talking about PLUR. Yeah, I said it. Peace- Hostility typically serves no purpose other than to defend an ego that is lacking inner peace. Love- Acts and feelings of goodwill towards all others are a moral imperative with their own rewards. Unity- this can mean either that: We are all united in the human condition, or As social beings, the feeling of connectedness with others is the ultimate end to our efforts. Respect- A person must show regard for the feelings of others through their actions and inaction, and one must have respect for oneself. i know, I Know, this acronym probably rubs a lot of you the wrong way. i admit, it's not my fav either. there is a certain "hokiness factor" that is undeniable, but look, somebody said it in an earlier post, edm fans stateside are a minority, especially in a market like ATL. and, in an environment like opera, anybody that is posting on TA is most definitely a minority in the crowd. let me be clear, we don't need to be all kumbaya and lovey-dovey with the patrons of opera. i do think that if we are able to adjust our internal compasses to see beyond the ridiculousness of the general crowd, maybe in the end, it will allow us to not have our serenity affected to such a degree, and in turn, be able to really enjoy/appreciate the DJs we love regardless of what the clown that's trying to walk through you is doing. Just a thought. I get the impression a lot of folks attitudes have become very jaded about opera. i don't think you should allow the crowd to drive you away from something that means so much to you. the sound system is a different story though. and, i promise i will never mention the "p" word again.  |
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| Originally posted by nchs09 |
that is fuckin hilarious bahaha
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| Originally posted by trancension Congrats on the pic. I couldn't get my pic with Markus last September cause the staff was rushing us all out even though Markus had come down to shake all our hands. I'm hoping I can get it this time. |
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| Originally posted by PVDfan07 I was able to get to Markus on the stage before the crowd rushed up and the bouncers started kicking us out, but unfortunately didn't get a picture. At least I got a handshake. Anyways, the staff is rude when it comes to that. I guess I didn't think about that when I said I didn't have any bad experiences with them. If the DJ wants to stay and shake hands, why kick us out? At the last Ferry show, I was up by the booth, I had to pretty much tell the bouncer I wasn't leaving without a handshake. I was able to snap my quick picture, but that staff is really rude. |
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| Originally posted by Big Worm i think it's time that we re-examine an old acronym that everybody knows... i'm talking about PLUR. Yeah, I said it. |
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| Originally posted by DiscoStew That aside, there is one common sentiment about that place that is legitimate and entirely preventable -- the attitude of the staff. They do need to treat people with more respect and at least pretend that they appreciate our patronage. I think that the onus is on the management at that place to coach people out of their current approach and mentality. Their industry, after all, is hospitality as much as it is entertainment. If I saw or heard of a reasonable effort being made on this front, I would go to shows at Opera much more frequently. |
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| Originally posted by iammesol Don't eat brownies though. |
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| Originally posted by trancension Nice I got to shake his hand and talk to him for a minute up in Charlotte the following week. Unfortunately me and my friends forgot our cameras or else I'd of taken a million. <3 Markus Schulz! The Forum's staff is really chill actually. It's a shame it isn't down here in Atlanta =/ |
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| Originally posted by enydo Don't eat brownies with probably about 4x the amount of thc in them you would actually need. Brownies with a correct percentage are very sweet. |
next tiem i buy you a shot, it will have a roofie in it.
Oh, Mario! You don't have to roofie me to have your way! 
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| Originally posted by iammesol Oh, Mario! You don't have to roofie me to have your way! |
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| Originally posted by Lostvission Thank god we don't get the gestapo treatment in Charlotte at all. The dj booth is down low with the crowd as well...you can just raise your arm and your able to shake hands with a dj during set. I love the place...shame we don't get good crowds like you guys in Atlanta though. That's the only drawback we have. |
I had an awesome experience attending Opera on Wednesday, and I'm sorry to hear that others have so many grievances. I'd like to say I'm a pretty tolerant guy, and I really couldn't care less about the motivations of the other clubbers. I'm not going to assume that my status as an Armin van Buuren fan inherently makes my enjoyment of the event more important than anyone else's. As Devin said, we're all there for entertainment.
I suppose the club experience would be more harmonious if everyone were respectful and attending the show for the same reason, but at the end of the day, we're listening to club music at a club. What do you expect? Any venue large enough to attract big-name DJs in Atlanta is going to have a huge crowd, overpriced drinks, and a fair share of people you might not get along with. This probably won't change. At Opera -- and pretty much any club I've gone to -- I've been shoved, threatened, soaked with drinks, and stepped on, so I expect this will continue to happen at future events, and I don't care, since it's worth it all for a chance to hear my favorite DJs, in my opinion. Besides, I can't justifiably take issue with the club environment: I've accidentally shoved my fellow clubbers, spilled drinks on them, danced on their toes, and so on. Hell, I've attended EDM events where I didn't care too much for the music, and I knew nothing about the DJ, but I still had fun -- should I have stayed home instead?
(Granted, there are some extreme cases of irritating club-goers. At AVB, there was this one dude in a headband that shoved past me (headed in various directions) about six times in the span of ten minutes. Where was he going?)
So, the composition of the crowd isn't likely going change, but I think it'd be healthy for the Atlanta EDM scene to see a change in venue soon. I'm not as hostile toward Opera as everyone else here, but it's troubling that Opera is now practically the only game in town. Its monopoly on massive EDM events is hardly a good thing for its patrons. Considering the shows are constantly packed, and it's consistently making a fortune, Opera has no incentive to improve. Management can ignore the sound system, continue to pack in as many people as possible, treat customers poorly, and it can currently do all of this without fear of a competing club claiming the top DJs.
What can be done to address the situation? Personally, I'd like to see a smaller venue that reliably caters to a trance-friendly audience, featuring local trance DJs on a regular basis. The somewhat-creepy after-hours parties are fun once in a while, but I'd like to see a more approachable mainstream venue that serves up some sweet trance and EDM regularly. After all, we don't need Armin or Markus Schulz to hear some danceable tracks, like DiscoStew [*] was saying.
[* Can't say I agree with DiscoStew's entire post, though, since I do enjoy hearing a producer drop his or her own tracks while interacting with the fans. Just my opinion. Call me corny, but I compare it to a classical composer conducting his or her own works for an audience.]
[** Also, that PLUR post was hilarious ... (er, even if I agree with the underlying message).]
Seems like I have different expectations of people spending $50 or $60 to get into a club on a Wednesday night then. Because the people I'm talking about obviously did not pre-buy their tickets.
I would expect people spending that kind of money to see a DJ would actually want to stop for a moment and hear the DJ and give the music a try. Not be complete assholes to the people who are trying to enjoy the music.
I don't know. I guess when a world famous DJ comes into town, part of me expects the crowd to be there to hear him play...not walk around trying to score ecstasy or pick up high school girls.
Different expectations I guess.
i had a great time when the parties were at wetbar. The crowd was definitely better due to the fact that most of the people who would cause trouble stayed away from that place due to the gay presence. The sound system was way better also.
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| Originally posted by trancension expectations |
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| Originally posted by Scottaculous there's your problem. if you expected less and accepted more, you'll be happier. |
And ignorance is bliss. Unfortunately, I'm not ignorant, so I still expect a little bit more for my money than what is given by Opera, and will not accept less than my standards without putting in my $0.02.
By the way, I'm not sure about everyone else, but I'm not attacking Liquified, only Opera. I've lost the general direction of the "blame" being stated in this thread, but I support Devin's efforts... even if his choice of venues don't satisfy my desires 100% of the time.
bazzaar is cool
holy fkn....... if people on here are like "omg i didn't get a handshake from [insert fav dj], im pissed!@@!", then now I know why you guys are so constipated & picky about every little thing. ;]
I'm not trying to attack Liquified...but he responded to me without really reading what I was saying. I'm not the most coherent person. So it's possible I'm not getting my point my cross without it being convoluted under a mile of tangents.
But no where in my message did I say (or intend to say) that I had more right to be at these EDM events than someone else. I was merely expressing my annoyance and confusion as to why some of these people are spending $50 to go out and then not listen to the music. Because they do make it harder for me to enjoy it. It's not all about me, I know this. They're just out doing whatever it is they do. I'm just saying, Opera in particular attracts these people and Opera is not a good venue to begin with. Combine this with the growing crowd of...annoying people, and the Liquified events are starting to become more trouble than they are worth sometimes.
But I have been very thankful for everything Liquified has done since I started going to clubs back whenever, and unfortunately this has been lost in all my whining.
I didn't start this thread, but since it was here, it seemed like a good opportunity to vent with the thread starter. I never intended to insult Liquified or the scene in general. Just the crowd at Opera.
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