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Originally posted by Dervish The whole point is that if you don't support your local team... you won't have a local team long. It's just like where I'm from, no one supports the local team hence they are shit. It's a vicious cycle. If you really love football support your local team. No matter how shit they are.

my 'local' team is down next to bottom of the something or unibond division 1 or something. We lost all our players thro financial issues (ground sale fell through) and half the team now were at school with me. Haven't won a game since but should escape relegation thanks to one team being even worse! I support them & hate their rivals, but chose to support bolton because it was a local club to where the only grandparent i never knew was born plus my dad, grandad & grandfather all had different teams so I could never pick the same as any of them else be accused of bias to one person

I love being a bolton fan. we have good times, bad times, and really bad times but just being a fan of a team like ours allows us to appreciate the good ones so much more than someone who just chooses to support a 'big' team.

I'd support the local team here (Red Bull New York) if it wasn't such a pain in the ass to get to the games

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Originally posted by wotyzoid This is such bullshit, you assume I don't follow Brazillian soccer closely and even worse you assume no one else does either. I support Palmeiras and have for all my life. But can't I also follow european soccer and root for a team I have for more than 10 years now? What's wrong with that? I like good soccer, period. I followed Chelsea long before Maurinho got in there and made it what it is today. You really know nothing if you say Brazillian soccer has no fans.

So you support two teams? For fuck sake, and here I was actually assuming you'd support one club and get behind it. If you're just someone who follows the results of a distant club I don't even class you as a supporter. I like watching AC Milan in Italy and I follow their results and try to watch them, but that doesn't make me a "fan" and I don't have any "pride" in a club I have no connection to.

I wouldn't give a shit about people who root for teams, but it's the people who turn up in threads like these gloating about a team's performance. It's just following a club for bragging rights. We call people who do that "glory hunters".

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Originally posted by OurManFlint But like I said in another post, I don't support a club, but I enjoy watching certain clubs. I wish more people would do the same instead of bandwaggoning.

That's the kind of perspective I respect. Someone who can appreciate a team's football without saying "we" and bragging about that team in conversations with genuine fans from somewhere. If I were talking about Serie A I wouldn't say "we" as if I'm part of the Rossoneri or brag about anything Milan have done.

As a don I've seen my team get beaten 0-6 and should have been relegated. Also saw them last year beat Copenhagen 4-0 (live), draw with Bayern Munich and play well away against Atletico Madrid (live) along with a travelling support of 16,000 other dons.

And can basically be pretty sure we won't win the league in the next ten years either.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J So you support two teams? For fuck sake, and here I was actually assuming you'd support one club and get behind it. If you're just someone who follows the results of a distant club I don't even class you as a supporter. I like watching AC Milan in Italy and I follow their results and try to watch them, but that doesn't make me a "fan" and I don't have any "pride" in a club I have no connection to. I wouldn't give a shit about people who root for teams, but it's the people who turn up in threads like these gloating about a team's performance. It's just following a club for bragging rights. We call people who do that "glory hunters".

Haha, ok man. I'm not going to repeat myself. LOL OMG SOMEONE SHOOT ME, I AM A FAN OF TWO TEAMS WHO HAVE NEVER FACED EACH OTHER IN THE HISTORY OF SOCCER AND HAVE NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER!!!!1

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Originally posted by Dervish As a don I've seen my team get beaten 0-6 and should have been relegated. Also saw them last year beat Copenhagen 4-0 (live), draw with Bayern Munich and play well away against Atletico Madrid (live) along with a travelling support of 16,000 other dons.

I remember that Bayern Munich result because Josh Walker scored, and we'd loaned him out to you for the season.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Haha, ok man. I'm not going to repeat myself. LOL OMG SOMEONE SHOOT ME, I AM A FAN OF TWO TEAMS WHO HAVE NEVER FACED EACH OTHER IN THE HISTORY OF SOCCER AND HAVE NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER!!!!1

Arf, maybe you should re-read. I'm laughing at the plastic Chelsea and 'Pool fans and you're the one coming in with "ridiculous, deluded, bullshit" comments when your "pride" gets stung. So laugh it up, mate. You got a lot more pissed off than I did.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I remember that Bayern Munich result because Josh Walker scored, and we'd loaned him out to you for the season.

Yeah he's a good mature player for someone so young. Should have got more games when he was with us though.

Should have damn well won it though we had the same shout (exactly) for a pen that they got at the end to make it 2-2 as we had for one at the start of the game.

Had a quid on Walker to score first (which he did) and us to win 2-1 as well ..... at 450-1 (wasn't usually a starter, but did take freekicks sometimes when he came on)!!!! Bastards!

My little bro was in the Bayern end for it said it was tough gong ahead twice and not showing he was in the wrong end.

Still got this guy though:

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Originally posted by Dervish Had a quid on Walker to score first (which he did) and us to win 2-1 as well ..... at 450-1 (wasn't usually a starter, but did take freekicks sometimes when he came on)!!!! Bastards!

Hard luck mate, you must have been absolutely gutted at the end.

Was yeah, but glad we did ok against them. Went out and got hammered by them away though. Such is life.

Is Walker getting a game for yous?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Arf, maybe you should re-read. I'm laughing at the plastic Chelsea and 'Pool fans and you're the one coming in with "ridiculous, deluded, bullshit" comments when your "pride" gets stung. So laugh it up, mate. You got a lot more pissed off than I did.

And you're accusing me of being a "plastic" fan of Chelsea's when that's probably the furthest thing from the reality. I'm not pissed off and my "pride" hasn't been hurt. I just called you out on the ignorance of your comment making english soccer out to be the most elite "local or gtfo" shit in the world and subsequently laughed at your ability to judge me because I'm a close following fan of two teams that have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

Anyone that thinks you need to reside in a country in order to follow a respective sporting team is an idiotic nationalistic cretin.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid

When you get old enough (youngin ), you should come across the river to NYC to Nevada Smiths to watch a game. It's the closest thing you'll come to watching a game at a European bar in the US

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Originally posted by verndogs When you get old enough (youngin ), you should come across the river to NYC to Nevada Smiths to watch a game. It's the closest thing you'll come to watching a game at a European bar in the US

No doubt, I'm there.

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Originally posted by Dervish Is Walker getting a game for yous?

He's had a couple but only as a defensive midfielder. He's still a bit raw to be thrown into a relegation battle every weekend.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Anyone that thinks you need to reside in a country in order to follow a respective sporting team is an idiotic nationalistic cretin.

I don't think anyone needs to do anything. I've already said I follow teams from other countries. I posted my amusement at people from thousands of miles away saying "we" and talking about pride as if they sit in the Shed End or the Kop every Saturday at 3pm. The notion of Brazilians acting like they're from West London is one I find ludicrous.

Football may be a global sport now but that doesn't mean it isn't intrinsically linked to culture, especially in this country where it's been played for hundreds and even thousands of years. Football is as much a part of culture here as anything else- and when I watch American coverage of English football I realise how much gets lost in translation, and I know the inverse is also true. You can admire and follow foreign football, as I do, but to pretend you're part of another sporting culture is false. It's plastic. That's not nationalistic, because I'm a million miles away from being a nationalist. Football is way more than what happens on a pitch.

Haha when did I ever pretend to be from West London. You have to understand english soccer much bigger than your little idealistic culturally elite perception of it. I'm sorry to disappoint you but you're not better than anyone else because you follow english soccer up close.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't think anyone needs to do anything. I've already said I follow teams from other countries. I posted my amusement at people from thousands of miles away saying "we" and talking about pride as if they sit in the Shed End or the Kop every Saturday at 3pm. Football may be a global sport now but that doesn't mean it isn't intrinsically linked to culture, especially in this country where it's been played for hundreds and even thousands of years. Football is as much a part of culture here as anything else- and when I watch American coverage of English football I realise how much gets lost in translation, and I know the inverse is also true. You can admire and follow foreign football, as I do, but to pretend you're part of another sporting culture is false. It's plastic. That's not nationalistic, because I'm a million miles away from being a nationalist. Football is way more than what happens on a pitch.

its way way harder to get out of bed at 4.30am to watch MY team than it is for a local red to wander down to anfield on game day

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Haha when did I ever pretend to be from West London. You have to understand english soccer much bigger than your little idealistic culturally elite perception of it. I'm sorry to disappoint you but you're not better than anyone else because you follow english soccer up close.

My, what big words you misuse.

1. I didn't claim you "pretend" anything. "We" is a self-inclusive pronoun carrying with it a deixic connotation of shared centrality between subjects- you, the club, other fans. I'm not claiming deception, merely delusion.

2. "English soccer" is a product. Pure and simple. The only reason you know who Chelsea are is because the TV rights of the Premiership are sold all around the world. That's why the league is so rich, the teams so successful. It's why you're watching Liverpool - Chelsea in Europe at all. Do you have the slightest fucking clue about the English football league outside the Top 20 teams? Without running to Wikipedia, can you tell me which is higher- the Conference, the Championship or League One? Do you know how many teams constitute the league and how it breaks down? "English soccer" is not the twenty teams that get sold all over the world. This country has three times as many football clubs as any other nation on Earth.

3. I'm not the slightest bit interested in appearing "better" than you. I stated my amusement at people acting as if they're included in a culture utterly foreign to them, a culture they've never participated in beyond watching TV. That's it. You found my amusement the "most ignorant comment ever" (even though you apparently weren't pissed off or stung at all) and I've had to justify myself.

4. I'm not being elitist, or idealistic. I'm being practical. If I were being idealistic I wouldn't be so cynical about football as a product. The fact is that someone who has never lived within 4,000 miles of a club and has never even visited the same country is in no way part of that culture and is an outsider by geographical default. You can watch as much TV as you want but that doesn't change.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN its way way harder to get out of bed at 4.30am to watch MY team than it is for a local red to wander down to anfield on game day

It might be harder, if you've never programmed a recorder before, but it's certainly cheaper than paying for a season ticket. Although how hard it is isn't really important. It's harder to follow any foreign sport than domestic sport.

you lost me after the part about British and "culture".


oi oi oi oi oi !

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Originally posted by elFreak you lost me after the part about British and "culture". oi oi oi oi oi !

You know you're trolling when you're Canadian and you're belittling someone else's culture. Have you guys decided yet whether your greatest cultural export is Nickelback or Due South? Tough decision, I know.

damn i thought i was going to get an essay

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It might be harder, if you've never programmed a recorder before, but it's certainly cheaper than paying for a season ticket. Although how hard it is isn't really important. It's harder to follow any foreign sport than domestic sport.

just pointing out that just because you're born in a certain country doesn't make you any more (or less) a fan of the team you've chosen.

Just because we don't go around bashing people of opposing teams doesn't mean we're any less fans.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN just pointing out that just because you're born in a certain country doesn't make you any more (or less) a fan of the team you've chosen. Just because we don't go around bashing people of opposing teams doesn't mean we're any less fans.

I'd have more sympathy if you guys didn't invariably choose Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool to follow. You can wake up at 4.30am every day of every week and it wouldn't be as painful as supporting Middlesbrough.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'd have more sympathy if you guys didn't invariably choose Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool to follow. You can wake up at 4.30am every day of every week and it wouldn't be as painful as supporting Middlesbrough.

well, if it makes you feel any better ive been supporting liverpool roughly as long as you've been alive; you can't blame a 10 year old for choosing between the only two teams he had heard of at the time

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Do you have the slightest fucking clue about the English football league outside the Top 20 teams? Without running to Wikipedia, can you tell me which is higher- the Conference, the Championship or League One? Do you know how many teams constitute the league and how it breaks down? "English soccer" is not the twenty teams that get sold all over the world. This country has three times as many football clubs as any other nation on Earth.

Whatever, I'll bite. English soccer is very complicated 'cuz the national football league alone has some 3 divisions or so (which includes league one)and I hardly ever know who hosts the different cups. The first division championship is pretty big I guess, I don't know how much importance you brits give it. The Conference is the oldest ,but I don't really know much shit about it since I always get confused if the FA Cup is hosted by it or league one. I remember league cup used to be sponsored by coca cola but now it's sponsored by some beer company and there's like some 100 teams that join it including the teams from the premier luege.I know there's a shit load of teams in england, and there's always some new ones that pop up out of no where. I know that the FA Cup alone has some 500+ teams or some shit and league one on the other hand is similar to the premier with about 20 teams, again I don't know how important you brits give it. I guess that kind of sums about how much I know about it technically.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'd have more sympathy if you guys didn't invariably choose Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool to follow. You can wake up at 4.30am every day of every week and it wouldn't be as painful as supporting Middlesbrough.

being a Boro supporter isn't as bad as Luton supporter these days

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