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Originally posted by Domesticated I think that's very condescending of you. Though I like hard science, I've always been better at social sciences. I did physics, chemistry and maths in my final year of school and passed all of them at around 70%, but my forte has always been English, History, etc. I'm sick of hearing hard scientists say they are smarter than people doing humanities. The one thing you all forget is that in maths or physics, there is always a "right" or a "wrong" answer; once you've worked it out, you either get it or you don't. In social sciences and whatnot, this same attribute does not apply, and that makes things hard too. To say that a physics student is "more intelligent" than someone studying women's studies is erroneous, because you're obviously judging intelligence by your own biased standards. A physics student might be able to work out the mass of a planet, but placed on the street they'd probably struggle to read a bus timetable because it doesn't conform to the hard rules they've bent their lives to, or they might struggle to write grammatically correct sentences or spell properly. On the other hand, someone doing women's studies might struggle to work out how much change they should receive after buying dinner, but plonk them in the middle of a foreign country and they'd be able to find their way home with superior interaction and problem solving skills. It's all relative. A perfect example with which I have personal experience is architects. Architects are smart, right? They build stuff and use complex geometry and engineering. Find me an architect who can spell and I'll find you a women's studies student who is smarter than a physicist. Lastly, I think a lot of people fail to make the distinction between being truly intelligent and simply having a good memory for facts and rote learning. In line with what mezzir said, many of the rote learners achieve good marks but are not genuinely clever.

Sorry but it isn't true. IMO if you can't master something as basic as calculus and freshman physics/chem then you don't deserve any degree.

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Originally posted by Zild Sorry but it isn't true. IMO if you can't master something as basic as calculus and freshman physics/chem then you don't deserve any degree.

Ha!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Management.

I disagree.

To be a successful manager you have to have a sound knowledge of the field you're managing in, whether it be accounting or computing. These fields can be taught, but the act of management itself is an intrinsic quality like leadership or charisma that can't be taught through conventional means. Sitting in class while some professor who's never had any real world experience or worked in a proper job says "to be a good manager, you must be understanding towards those you work with" isn't going to imbue that quality in you or actually improve your skills.

My Dad always said: "those who can, do, and those who can't, teach".

That's another big problem I have with university; half the teachers are great academics and incredibly intelligent, but they've never learned how to apply their skills to the real world because they've spent their entire lives in institutions. How can you learn marketing or accounting from someone who's never had a job in those fields?

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Originally posted by Domesticated I disagree. To be a successful manager you have to have a sound knowledge of the field you're managing in, whether it be accounting or computing. These fields can be taught, but the act of management itself is an intrinsic quality like leadership or charisma that can't be taught through conventional means. Sitting in class while some professor who's never had any real world experience or worked in a proper job says "to be a good manager, you must be understanding towards those you work with" isn't going to imbue that quality in you or actually improve your skills. My Dad always said: "those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". That's another big problem I have with university; half the teachers are great academics and incredibly intelligent, but they've never learned how to apply their skills to the real world because they've spent their entire lives in institutions. How can you learn marketing or accounting from someone who's never had a job in those fields?

Those who can't... teach.

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Originally posted by Domesticated No, curved grading is ridiculous in small classes. The whole idea of curved grading is that the students determine the standards they must aspire to, rather than having the standards set for them. This is both positive and negative, because: a) It's a fairly accurate way of gauging a person's real skills in comparison to others, and therefore in the real world. b) If everyone included in the curve is stupid, or performs poorly, even the poorly skilled people will get marked well. For this to succeed, the sample needs to be large, i.e 1000 people. It works in these cases. I get marked on bell curves at the moment and it's complete and utter bullshit in a class of 25 people. You should be marked on your own merits and whether your work is of good standard, not whether someone's is better than yours.

FUCK BELL CURVE.

I had this stupid elective I picked in my senior year in high school, and we basically had to read random books of our choice of different genres. the entire grade was based on a bell curve-derived from the person in the class with the highest amount read, and the teacher allocated a certain amount of spots for each letter(not usually d's or f's unless they were significantly behind)

So when we found these rules out, my buddy and i tried to start a revolution and convince everyone to read the same amount (6 books only for the semester). there was 11 people in our class so we thought we could pull it off. so we thought.

It seemed everyone was onboard, and we were really stoked that we could pull off our lazy scheme. Many beleived in the revolution, and had faith that our small class would unite. 2 snakes on the plane. we were lied to, and screwed over. most people out of paranoia read 2-3 more(i acccounted for this initially). 2 uppity bitches read over 20 books(250 + pages).

We were betrayed, but we had also let everyone else down in the class that followed our scheme. those girls couldn't look us in the eye afterwards. I found out because I copped the teachers gradebook after my paranoia started kicking in right before the end of that semester and learnt of the treachery that had been taking place.

it worked out that those two girls got high 90's, and the rest of us were between the range of 77-84, so the plan wasn't a complete bust i guess. I learnt alot obout life from that event, the capitalist will always take that incentive and cheat(freakanomix).It was an experiment I feel that shows the weaknesses in a bell curve system especially for a small class size

ps-you cant really cheat in this class the woman would scrutinize the shit out of the book and ask you random shit.

Undergrad:
*BS in Biology
*Minor in Italian
Grad:
*MS in Anatomy
*MD (halfway through, top 10% of class)

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Originally posted by Zild Sorry but it isn't true. IMO if you can't master something as basic as calculus and freshman physics/chem then you don't deserve any degree.

What use do chemistry and calculus have in a person's daily life?

I would argue that the skills taught in humanitarian subjects are more valuable for living, and therefore more valuable as "intelligence".

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Originally posted by Domesticated What use do chemistry and calculus have in a person's daily life? I would argue that the skills taught in humanitarian subjects are more valuable for living, and therefore more valuable as "intelligence".

Probably proves you actually learned something and can problem solve instead of bullshit your way through a degree.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Sitting in class while some professor who's never had any real world experience or worked in a proper job says "to be a good manager, you must be understanding towards those you work with" isn't going to imbue that quality in you or actually improve your skills.

Someone who doesn't have any management experience likely would not be teaching a management course. Those types of courses are usually taught by practitioners who adjunct at the University.

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My Dad always said: "those who can, do, and those who can't, teach".

Not my experience.

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That's another big problem I have with university; half the teachers are great academics and incredibly intelligent, but they've never learned how to apply their skills to the real world because they've spent their entire lives in institutions. How can you learn marketing or accounting from someone who's never had a job in those fields?

You can't, which is why you should stay away from any institutions that have those types of professors.

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Originally posted by Domesticated My Dad always said: "those who can, do, and those who can't, teach".

would you prefer to be teaching for 5 minutes a week, have new hot first-years every year and holidays as long as dirk diggler's cock; or would you rather work 8-7 every day in a shitty office for the rest of your life?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN would you prefer to be teaching for 5 minutes a week, have new hot first-years every year and holidays as long as dirk diggler's cock; or would you rather work 8-7 every day in a shitty office for the rest of your life?

People at the real jobs make actual money.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Someone who doesn't have any management experience likely would not be teaching a management course. Those types of courses are usually taught by practitioners who adjunct at the University.

This is my point though. Regardless of how much management experience someone may have, can they pass on that experience and skill? I don't think they can. If you disagree with that then we will have to agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Not my experience.

I've had some fantastic teachers too; I don't think that's a hard and fast rule.

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Originally posted by Zild Probably proves you actually learned something and can problem solve instead of bullshit your way through a degree.

So in your opinion objective learning is somehow more intellectual than subjective? That memorization of fact trumps abstract thinking in daily life?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov So in your opinion objective learning is somehow more intellectual than subjective? That memorization of fact trumps abstract thinking in daily life?

Math and science have the least to do with memorization and the most to do with creativity but you haven't been that far.

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Originally posted by Domesticated This is my point though. Regardless of how much management experience someone may have, can they pass on that experience and skill? I don't think they can. If you disagree with that then we will have to agree to disagree.

Well then we'll have to take that route. I've taken one management class and I fell back on the lessons from that class routinely when I had my own staff, and even wish that I had taken more.

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Originally posted by Zild People at the real jobs make actual money.

tenured professor pay isn't anything to sneeze at. especially if you're talking how much time you have to do work for.

But of course you could venture into far higher paying jobs, like in the financial mar- oh wait.

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Originally posted by Zild Math and science have the least to do with memorization and the most to do with creativity but you haven't been that far.

Well then obviously Zild > Lebezniatnikov, since I evidently "bs'ed my way to a degree."

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN would you prefer to be teaching for 5 minutes a week, have new hot first-years every year and holidays as long as dirk diggler's cock; or would you rather work 8-7 every day in a shitty office for the rest of your life?

I'd rather be challenged daily.

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Originally posted by Zild Probably proves you actually learned something and can problem solve instead of bullshit your way through a degree.

I can't believe I didn't see it before. You've obviously failed humanitarian subjects before and that's why you're so down on them. You're pissed off because you see them as bullshit and you're frustrated that you still couldn't do well.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN tenured professor pay isn't anything to sneeze at. especially if you're talking how much time you have to do work for. But of course you could venture into far higher paying jobs, like in the financial mar- oh wait.

Looking at the professors in my department I wouldn't want to be one. They work much harder for a lot less than they would in industry.

We don't normally see zild acting like a dickhead. It�s a refreshing change!

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Originally posted by Domesticated I'd rather be challenged daily. I can't believe I didn't see it before. You've obviously failed humanitarian subjects before and that's why you're so down on them. You're pissed off because you see them as bullshit and you're frustrated that you still couldn't do well.

Nope sorry. I actually do much better in classes that aren't science or math since they're so easy.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN We don't normally see zild acting like a dickhead. It�s a refreshing change!

Ever since he got back from WMC he's tried to be Mr. Big Man on the boards.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well then we'll have to take that route. I've taken one management class and I fell back on the lessons from that class routinely when I had my own staff, and even wish that I had taken more.

Okay, I'm interested here. Genuinely interested, not trying to be a pain or smart. Can you explain something practical that you learned in a management class which you later applied? You're obviously a very intelligent person and I'd be interested to see what influenced you so.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well then obviously Zild > Lebezniatnikov, since I evidently "bs'ed my way to a degree."

probably but you said it i was just saying that you are wrong with your generalizations

math and science are tougher and take more talent/creativity is my argument that doesn't have much to do with me being better than you or you getting a BS degree though

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Originally posted by Zild probably but you said it i was just saying that you are wrong with your generalizations math and science are tougher and take more talent/creativity is my argument that doesn't have much to do with me being better than you or you getting a BS degree though

Ha, this genuinely amuses me since I've taken both Calc and Physics, and am currently in an Econ course that uses Calculus.

Because I see absolutely no creativity at all at confronting a problem and deciding which equation plug numbers into. Now, if you're talking about A Beautiful Mind type shit, then maybe you've got something, but remember, John Nash was an economist.

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