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-- Matt Cerf, Jaren, Shawn Mitiska + more on 5/2/09 @ CIRCUS
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Originally posted by steppenwolf Yup, all of these suggestions sounds great to me too. my comments on the raffle: I dread that time of night because the music stops...and it's a bigass buzz kill. ...unless you win the raffle I guess I don't think anyone actually goes there for the $1,000 raffle.

I have a couple friends who probably would not go to Circus if not for the $1000 raffle.

Some cool lighting in the side room would be awesome.

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Originally posted by Apeattack I have a couple friends who probably would not go to Circus if not for the $1000 raffle.

if a person goes to a club for any reason other than to enjoy the music, then that's just fucked up. it ruins it for everyone; especially the vibe.

now you see it, now you don't

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Originally posted by gerard6975 if a person goes to a club for any reason other than to enjoy the music, then that's just fucked up. it ruins it for everyone; especially the vibe.

This is true.

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Originally posted by Jim Carson For the side/back room/dancehall we will be bringing in guest DJs that play tech-house like Bryan Hustle & Nic Fiorina from Beatfreaksradio.com, Josh Hartley (tech-house/electro house) who just played with Donald Glaude @ Wave House in SD, and other funky tech-house DJs. Last week, I played some tech-house, progressive house, and electro house that people seemed to rock out to. Circus is mostly a trance club and that's what people seem to enjoy there so that's why some nights we have played trance. On some nights, you have to because the crowd is so obsessed with trance. The past few weeks we have been playing mostly tech-house, techno, and electro house. Joseph Mordeno has been playing mostly progressive house lately and last week it was a tech-house set. DJ Fraud closed it out with some electro house. The artists I enjoy playing right now are Alex Kenji, Paul Thomas, and new Wolfgang Gartner (NOT ELECTRO) stuff which are on the hard, funky, progressive, tech-house tip. You might call it rolling, hands up, tech-house. That's what I will be playing this weekend.

i did like what you guys were playing at your room. please keep it that way and i applaud you guys for booking guest djs. hopefully, next time, you'll also be able to book bigger named djs for the sideroom. ask for the main room budget! rather than doing a trance double-header, get a tech headliner for the sideroom.

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Originally posted by gerard6975 i did like what you guys were playing at your room. please keep it that way and i applaud you guys for booking guest djs. hopefully, next time, you'll also be able to book bigger named djs for the sideroom. ask for the main room budget!

Thank you, Gerard. We will be keeping the same style of music and we are working on getting a bigger budget for the side room so we can book headliners and make sure all the djs are getting paid what they are worth. We're going to have you soon too

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Originally posted by TSG I know CIRCUS management has been reading this and will continue to do so! So... IMO... - STOP giving away $1000.00! - Invest the money on a good sound guy! - Get other DJs, well known DJs! No need to recycle the same DJs or at least not that soon. - KEEP TRANCE in the MAINROOM! - Bring in some HOUSE DJs for the upstairs loft or back room. - If you're going to keep Hip-Hop, put them in that other room behind the curtains! Guys that come for hip-hop don't know what "NO" means! - Maybe some Prog House in the backroom. I think that's all from me for now.

She speaks the truth!

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Originally posted by gerard6975 if a person goes to a club for any reason other than to enjoy the music, then that's just fucked up. it ruins it for everyone; especially the vibe.

You've never gone anywhere that was giving out free stuff when normally you would not go there (for example, Jack in the Box giving away from curly fries on a particular day)?

I never said my friends ONLY went for the raffle. If some of my friends are borderline about going to Circus (because it is a long drive or whatever), the raffle is sometimes enough to tip them toward going. I'm sure if the raffle was removed, a significant percentage of people would decide not to go to Circus. I don't know how big that percentage is, but it's certainly greater than 0%.

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Originally posted by Jim Carson For the side/back room/dancehall we will be bringing in guest DJs that play tech-house like Bryan Hustle & Nic Fiorina from Beatfreaksradio.com, Josh Hartley (tech-house/electro house) who just played with Donald Glaude @ Wave House in SD, and other funky tech-house DJs. Last week, I played some tech-house, progressive house, and electro house that people seemed to rock out to. Circus is mostly a trance club and that's what people seem to enjoy there so that's why some nights we have played trance. On some nights, you have to because the crowd is so obsessed with trance. The past few weeks we have been playing mostly tech-house, techno, and electro house. Joseph Mordeno has been playing mostly progressive house lately and last week it was a tech-house set. DJ Fraud closed it out with some electro house. The artists I enjoy playing right now are Alex Kenji, Paul Thomas, and new Wolfgang Gartner (NOT ELECTRO) stuff which are on the hard, funky, progressive, tech-house tip. You might call it rolling, hands up, tech-house. That's what I will be playing this weekend.

thats a really good sound. and if Josh Hartley is the guy who opened up for DG, than he pulled off a good set. much better (imo) than DG.

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Originally posted by Apeattack You've never gone anywhere that was giving out free stuff when normally you would not go there (for example, Jack in the Box giving away from curly fries on a particular day)?

not really. it's like saying someone's giving free shit and you'll be the first in line. not that JITB is crap. i sometimes buy my meals there.

as a promoter myself, i'd rather have less people enjoying the music with friends than a room full who aren't enjoying themselves. it doesn't build the night. there's no long term goal.

rather than giving money away, reinvest it on a sound guy & an awesome line-up. that will attract the crowd who enjoys the music.

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I never said my friends ONLY went for the raffle. If some of my friends are borderline about going to Circus (because it is a long drive or whatever), the raffle is sometimes enough to tip them toward going. I'm sure if the raffle was removed, a significant percentage of people would decide not to go to Circus. I don't know how big that percentage is, but it's certainly greater than 0%.

i apologize but i never attacked your friends.

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Originally posted by gerard6975 if a person goes to a club for any reason other than to enjoy the music, then that's just fucked up. it ruins it for everyone; especially the vibe.

it was a generalization. i didn't name names.

I know someone that goes to a club just for the carne asada quesadillas.

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Originally posted by Apeattack You've never gone anywhere that was giving out free stuff when normally you would not go there (for example, Jack in the Box giving away from curly fries on a particular day)?

NO! I live 1 block from a JITB and work a skip, jump, & a hop from a Carl's Jr. and still wouldn't go for a FREEBIE. I go because I want to and because I feel like eating something from their menu.

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Originally posted by gerard6975 rather than giving money away, reinvest it on a sound guy & an awesome line-up. that will attract the crowd who enjoys the music.

We both agree on this.

Using the $1000 to improve Circus' sound and line-up may reduce attendance a little in the short term, but in the long term it could make Circus a lot more money and greatly improve the venue.

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i apologize but i never attacked your friends.

No offense was taken. No need to apologize.

And if people leave right after the raffle, whats the point of them being there? Just bodies to fill the place up? Did Circus make even a penny off them? Did they even buy 1 drink or did they show up at 11:29 and leave at 12:01?

And I hate the stopping of the music too. You don't do that at EDM events. It brings everything to a stop. At it pulls everyone from out of the other rooms. Not really fair to the DJs playing in those rooms.

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Originally posted by TSG NO! I live 1 block from a JITB and work a skip, jump, & a hop from a Carl's Jr. and still wouldn't go for a FREEBIE. I go because I want to and because I feel like eating something from their menu.

The long lines at Denny's during its free breakfast promotion, Baskin Robbins during its 31 cents scoop promotion, etc... show that a lot of people are willing to jump through hoops to get a freebie.

Just something Circus should keep in mind if it decides to get rid of some of its freebies.

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Originally posted by GPC And if people leave right after the raffle, whats the point of them being there? Just bodies to fill the place up? Did Circus make even a penny off them? Did they even buy 1 drink or did they show up at 11:29 and leave at 12:01?

I'm sure that a certain small fraction of people left after midnight, but most people stayed. It was more crowded at 1am than at midnight.

I doubt more than a tiny percentage of people come JUST for the raffle, but the raffle might be just enough enticement to get them out to Circus.

i say replace the $1k raffle with something like 6~8 free drink tickets, and the moochie ppl will still come

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Originally posted by alpha.wav i say replace the $1k raffle with something like 6~8 free drink tickets, and the moochie ppl will still come

Haha... they can spice things up by only allowing the free drinks to be given out before 11pm. People will be walking around the club with multiple beers for a couple hours.

I heart Circus sooo much. Where else can you get such awesome freebies in such a nice environment?

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal thats a really good sound. and if Josh Hartley is the guy who opened up for DG, than he pulled off a good set. much better (imo) than DG.

Yeah, Josh played right before Donald Glaude. He said that he also played right after him too. Josh is a great guy and DJ. I've known him since 2001. He's just starting break out right now and play some really cool shows.

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Originally posted by RobertStern The sound is anywhere from like 105-120 db at most clubs. I know at times Avalon has been as high as 124db, I can tell you from experience Vanguard is high up there too greater than 110+. There is never gonna a be a day where the sound is set at 100 or below, that kinda defeats the role of a club.

That's really sad news...found this article (written in Canada), but the message is universal...

http://www.digital-recordings.com/publ/pubear.html

General Misconceptions about Sound and Hearing

o Loud sound is not dangerous, as long as you don't feel any pain in your ears.

Not true: Our threshold for pain is at about 120 - 140 dB SPL but sound begins to damage our hearing when it is above 85 dB SPL (for a 8 hour period).

o Hearing loss after sound exposure is temporary.

Not true: Some of the hearing loss will be permanent. Indication of damage is ringing and noise in the ears (called tinnitus) after sound exposure. This is a clear indication that sound exposure took place. Another indication of that is the difficulty to communicate on the phone and in the noisy restaurant or cafeteria.

o If you have a hearing loss already, you don't have to protect your hearing any more.

Not true: Hearing loss accumulates. More exposure to loud sounds leads to more hearing loss.

o Hearing loss is mostly caused by aging.

Not true: Research shows that accumulative exposure to loud sounds, not age, is the major cause of hearing loss.

o Hearing loss can be repaired by medicine, surgery or hearing aids.

Not true: Although certain improvements can be obtained by the use of hearing aids. In the case of hearing losses inflicted due to the noise exposure, the resulting quality of hearing will be far from normal. So far no drugs or therapy can correct noise induced hearing loss. This could affect your professional performance as a musician, sound engineer, medical doctor, air traffic controller, telephone operator, pilot and driver or in any other profession where performance depends on good hearing. Also, your enjoyment of music would suffer.

o Loud sound only damages your hearing.

Not true: Loud sound can change your heart rate, vision and reaction time. It may make you more aggressive and in general, negatively affect you.


Common Misconceptions about "Sound Engineers" and Sound Reinforcement

o They know what they are doing, when adjusting sound.

Not true: Most of so-called "sound engineers" (about 99%) have no formal training in acoustics and sound reinforcement. The operation of sound systems does not require any licence or qualifying exam, yet the operators are in control of a potentially very damaging form of energy.

o They adjust sound to safe levels.

Not true: Most (about 99%) don't use sound level meters to measure intensity. Instead they judge the sound level "by ear",an inexact procedure even if we assumed they had no hearing loss. Research in Halifax night spots showed in 1986 that a risk of hearing loss for patrons was present in 64% of all tested locales during 1 hour of exposure and in 95% during 4 or more hours of exposure (a typical evening at a night club lasts 4 hours).

o Equalization and adjustments of sound parameters are properly done.

Not true: Many of the so-called "sound engineers" have significant hearing losses.Sound adjusted to their liking may be far from well- balanced sound. This could further increase the danger of exposure to harmful sound levels.

o Sound systems have built-in safety features.

Not true: Most sound systems are tremendously powerful and are capable of producing sounds much louder than adjusted levels. However, these systems have no built-in protection against surges in sound due to feedback or accidents.

o There is a law to protect the public against unsafe sound levels.

Not true: In Canada, no law exists to protect patrons who frequent entertainment premises (such as: clubs, concerts, school dances etc.) from harmful sound exposure, which could result in permanent hearing loss. Although there is a law governing the safety of workers, it appears not to be enforced in the entertainment industry.


Common Misconceptions about "What People Like" and People's Rights

o Most people like their music loud.

Not true: Although some people like loud music, especially if they already have a hearing loss, most audiences note little perceptible difference between sound levels of 85 dB SPL and 100 dB SPL. However, 100 dB is much more dangerous than 85 dB sound, having 32 times more destructive power (115 dB sound found in many clubs has 1000 times more destructive power than 85 dB sound).


Facts about Sound and Hearing

o Frequency range: With normal hearing, one can hear frequencies from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. ( 20 cycles/sec to 20,000 cycles/sec ).

o Intensity range: With normal hearing, one can hear intensities from 0 dB to 140 dB. This corresponds to power ratio (defined as ratio of the highest audible intensity to the lowest audible intensity) equal to 100,000,000,000,000.

o Recommended maximum allowable exposure times (by Nova Scotia Department of Labour) are:

16 hours for 80 dBA sound
8 hours for 85 dBA sound
4 hours for 90 dBA sound
2 hours for 95 dBA sound
1 hour for 100 dBA sound
30 min for 105 dBA sound
15 min for 110 dBA sound
7.5 min for 115 dBA sound
0 min for above 115 dBA sound (there should
be no exposure at
this level!)

o Illustration of hearing loss (intensity): Let's assume that a single bird sitting far away in the tree produces a sound level 0 dB (barely audible). A person with hearing loss (after going to "bad clubs") requires a minimum sound level of 40 dB in order to hear the sound. How many birds have to sit in the tree in order for this person to hear them ? Answer: 10,000. For the person with 50 dB loss it will take 100,000 birds and with 60 dB loss it will take 1,000,000 birds.

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Clubs really need to lower their volume levels that, without a doubt, are causing hearing damage. I guess the only other option is to try and get public agencies such as OSHA involved to force them to do it? I really don't like that approach, but none of the clubs in LA seem to address the issue at all...seems that most just ignore the facts or don't care.

Hearing loss affects everyone's ability to work, drive, and of course, listen to music among other things...it needs to be taken seriously!

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