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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch All the genre splitting in metal is confusing, it's almost as bad as edm, lol. Metal needs its own "Ishkur's Guide" methinks.

I think it's even worse.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence What do you think they should go under.

They are a unique band with a unique sound, they don't fit into the definition of any widely established metal style. One could call what they do math, avant-garde, experimental, progressive extreme metal. Or something like that. They certainly don't do thrash metal. They did bring back some thrash influence from their early days on a few tracks on obZen, like "Combustion" with its high-tempo thrashing, but that's another thing.

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Originally posted by Burn Notice I saw Asphyx at the Maryland Deathfest a few months ago. They were powerful live. Haven't heard the new album yet. Devourment were horrible like usual

Lol no Devourment own bro.

@ Game+Watch: http://www.metal-archives.com

Cannibal Corpse, Now I don't know whether I should go to their show in september. I'm expecting it to be a rather monotonous experience. Don't know whether it's going to be worth it.

Any thoughts?

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Originally posted by ChriSiZm Cannibal Corpse, Now I don't know whether I should go to their show in september. I'm expecting it to be a rather monotonous experience. Don't know whether it's going to be worth it. Any thoughts?

Not worth it. A shitload of better bands and shows out there. No offense. I like CC myself but they are pretty terrible compared to a large variety of bands in their genre. I'm gona try to hit up NJ Deathfest this fall, much better show. But one of the big talks of death metal would be Maryland Deathfest but thats every May of each year I Think and I myself simply don't have the kind of money to hit up such a show atm

:/ yeah I know what you mean dude. All there shit has been the same, it's literally a small difference every time they release an album. I went Morbid Angel, now that's a show dude! Loved every second of it! I highly reccomend them.

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Originally posted by ChriSiZm :/ yeah I know what you mean dude. All there shit has been the same, it's literally a small difference every time they release an album. I went Morbid Angel, now that's a show dude! Loved every second of it! I highly reccomend them.

Its not that its the same, its just not as impressive as most of the better bands of the death metal scene. Morbid Angel is amazing btw... Altars of Madness is a legendary release. Also Morbid Angel has a new album comming out

Really surprised at some of the names mentioned here. Usually metal threads on TA end up discussing linkin park/tool/disturbed .

I am a huge melodeath fan. Of course I also enjoy progressive/melodic black/gothic/doom metal and their various subgenres. I'll post some melodeath clips, just because nobody else has

Insomnium - Mortal Share


Amon Amarth - Death in Fire


Scar Symmetry - The Illusionist


Mors Principium Est - Pure

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Originally posted by OrZonE Really surprised at some of the names mentioned here. Usually metal threads on TA end up discussing linkin park/tool/disturbed . I am a huge melodeath fan. Of course I also enjoy progressive/melodic black/gothic/doom metal and their various subgenres. I'll post some melodeath clips, just because nobody else has Insomnium - Mortal Share Amon Amarth - Death in Fire Scar Symmetry - The Illusionist Mors Principium Est - Pure

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The thread needs more GOJIRA.

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Originally posted by SMC The thread needs more GOJIRA.

No... This thread needs...

More..........

DEVOURMENT!!!!

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Originally posted by TotalDeathXZero Its not that its the same, its just not as impressive as most of the better bands of the death metal scene. Morbid Angel is amazing btw... Altars of Madness is a legendary release. Also Morbid Angel has a new album comming out

Lulz, :O:O:O MORBIANJELLLL! That's going to go off!. Mann Cryptopsy are the bomb and Children Of Bodom are releasing a new covers album. Should be cool.

This thread also needs more...

ASPHYX!!!

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Originally posted by TotalDeathXZero 3. Rammstein - Industrial Metal From Germany

Oh such a great band

Venom are good though, that's how David Young (Chi A.D.) started his career.

As for some decent melodeath:
Well concidering death doom/funeral doom all came from melo death anyway some of the stuff below might be that too. Certainly melodic and death metal anyways.








Which i could find some of the other stuff on youtube of this band but can't seem to find it anymore.




Probably not so much melodeath but it's melodic and it's death metal:




As for genres in metal: This is my limited understanding:

Classic/Traditional/Heavy metal: The least heavy of the main genres and being the oldest, has a few epic/doomey elements hidden within it as well.

I guess Rob zombie would be the typical sortof traditional metal sound (or obviously the guys from the 70s)

Power metal: The uplifting vocals based stuff usually about something epic. The epic trance of metal

Speed Metal: Not so much faster metal, but metal that has the sound of the era of when metal was starting to speed up. A bit faster then traditional stuff but still.

Thrash metal: The harder, faster, angrier more monotone 80s metal sound.

Black metal: Sortof an extention of thrash, only with a focus on atmosphere and evil sounding ness. Quite melodic naturally, even the most badass stuff is very melodic and often has keyboards. Vocals are allmost allways screeched. Percussion is generally machine gunney and somewhat hypnotic and allways sortof melodic.

Death metal: Also came from thrash. With a focus on riffs rather than melodies, and heavyness generally. Also quite a technical style even the melodic varients use many different guitar playing techniques to create dissonant sounds. Notably main subgenres are: brutal, technical and melodic. Guitars are downtuned (black metal/thrash guitars hardly ever are afaik) often quite far, to create a deeper more bassey sound. Vocals are generally growled.

Doom metal: Various slower subgenres/genres that generally focus on having a doomey atmosphere and longer tracks. Things tend to be either traditional metal (like candlemass) or (melodic) death metal based.

The various not quite so metal genres:

Nu metal: Experimental metal, although suffice to say the vast majority of it is crap. From rap metal, to boring funk breakbeats with the occasional electric guitar riff. Often a crossover with hardcore punk and or rap (think linkin park). Often uses synths (badly)

Industrial metal: Much more manly (and a fair bit faster) and electric guitar focused industrial to metal with synthesized elements (that isn't much to do with nu metal, although the two can sound similar at times).

Metalcore: Hardcore punk with a more metal structure and mixed with melodic death metal riffs/a few death metal playing techniques(although you wouldn't necassarily allways pick that the influence comes from death metal by listening to it). Generally much more on the hardcore punk side, although there's some stuff that's anywhere on the scale. There's a lot of emo stuff as well that falls within this subgenre... generally has shouted hxc style vocals.

Deathcore: Metalcore (not hardcore punk and death) mixed with brutal death metal. Basically lots of bands trying to be really heavy/brutal... with 1/2 minute breakdowns (on 4 minute songs) so the scene kids can do their hardcore dancing. Much more metal than metalcore though certainly. Generally has the brutal death monotone style death metal vocals with or without hxc style shouted vocals as well.

Grindcore: Brutal death metal mixed with hardcore punk or something. Basically based around being really really hard/brutal... and really short tracks. Usually between a minute and a half or.... seven seconds the epitomy of compositional skill.

Various subgenres:

Death doom: Slower melodic death metal with longer song lengths and a doomey atmosphere.

Funeral Doom: An extension of death doom, even longer track lengths... heavy focus on keyboards and the percussion is usually hypnotic. Often mixed with ambient and or gothic music. Can have growled vocals, clean vocals or both. Probably my other favourite style along with black metal. Basically if this becomes too minimal it becomes Drone doom, too melodic/synth based it becomes ambient.

Drone doom: Downtuned guitar based soundscapes, quite minimal.

Technical death: The genre I tell my dad he should play every time he keeps moaning about how good an accordian players skills are and how electronic music isn't the same.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Oh such a great band

What's wrong with Rammstein?


And dude, not to split hairs or rain on your parade in any way, but none of the vids you posted are melodic deathmetal. They're all doom metal, except one that's deathcore/deathgrind/some other crap like that (I don't listen to those genres enough to differentiate). Furthermore, you might want to read up the definition of melodic .

As for what actual melodic death metal sounds like, refer to the videos I posted above. There should be no genre discrepancies there

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Originally posted by OrZonE What's wrong with Rammstein? And dude, not to split hairs or rain on your parade in any way, but none of the vids you posted are melodic deathmetal. They're all doom metal, except one that's deathcore/deathgrind/some other crap like that (I don't listen to those genres enough to differentiate). Furthermore, you might want to read up the definition of melodic . As for what actual melodic death metal sounds like, refer to the videos I posted above. There should be no genre discrepancies there

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Read what I said again. I know you mentioned melodeath but death doom/etc came from that anyway so I thought I might post that since people who are into that might be interested.

Yes, that song was deathcore, but it sounded pretty melodeathey imo. Certainly one of their less "core" songs.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Oh such a great band Venom are good though, that's how David Young (Chi A.D.) started his career. As for some decent melodeath: Well concidering death doom/funeral doom all came from melo death anyway some of the stuff below might be that too. Certainly melodic and death metal anyways. Which i could find some of the other stuff on youtube of this band but can't seem to find it anymore. Probably not so much melodeath but it's melodic and it's death metal: As for genres in metal: This is my limited understanding: Classic/Traditional/Heavy metal: The least heavy of the main genres and being the oldest, has a few epic/doomey elements hidden within it as well. I guess Rob zombie would be the typical sortof traditional metal sound (or obviously the guys from the 70s) Power metal: The uplifting vocals based stuff usually about something epic. The epic trance of metal Speed Metal: Not so much faster metal, but metal that has the sound of the era of when metal was starting to speed up. A bit faster then traditional stuff but still. Thrash metal: The harder, faster, angrier more monotone 80s metal sound. Black metal: Sortof an extention of thrash, only with a focus on atmosphere and evil sounding ness. Quite melodic naturally, even the most badass stuff is very melodic and often has keyboards. Vocals are allmost allways screeched. Percussion is generally machine gunney and somewhat hypnotic and allways sortof melodic. Death metal: Also came from thrash. With a focus on riffs rather than melodies, and heavyness generally. Also quite a technical style even the melodic varients use many different guitar playing techniques to create dissonant sounds. Notably main subgenres are: brutal, technical and melodic. Guitars are downtuned (black metal/thrash guitars hardly ever are afaik) often quite far, to create a deeper more bassey sound. Vocals are generally growled. Doom metal: Various slower subgenres/genres that generally focus on having a doomey atmosphere and longer tracks. Things tend to be either traditional metal (like candlemass) or (melodic) death metal based. The various not quite so metal genres: Nu metal: Experimental metal, although suffice to say the vast majority of it is crap. From rap metal, to boring funk breakbeats with the occasional electric guitar riff. Often a crossover with hardcore punk and or rap (think linkin park). Often uses synths (badly) Industrial metal: Much more manly (and a fair bit faster) and electric guitar focused industrial to metal with synthesized elements (that isn't much to do with nu metal, although the two can sound similar at times). Metalcore: Hardcore punk with a more metal structure and mixed with melodic death metal riffs/a few death metal playing techniques(although you wouldn't necassarily allways pick that the influence comes from death metal by listening to it). Generally much more on the hardcore punk side, although there's some stuff that's anywhere on the scale. There's a lot of emo stuff as well that falls within this subgenre... generally has shouted hxc style vocals. Deathcore: Metalcore (not hardcore punk and death) mixed with brutal death metal. Basically lots of bands trying to be really heavy/brutal... with 1/2 minute breakdowns (on 4 minute songs) so the scene kids can do their hardcore dancing. Much more metal than metalcore though certainly. Generally has the brutal death monotone style death metal vocals with or without hxc style shouted vocals as well. Grindcore: Brutal death metal mixed with hardcore punk or something. Basically based around being really really hard/brutal... and really short tracks. Usually between a minute and a half or.... seven seconds the epitomy of compositional skill. Various subgenres: Death doom: Slower melodic death metal with longer song lengths and a doomey atmosphere. Funeral Doom: An extension of death doom, even longer track lengths... heavy focus on keyboards and the percussion is usually hypnotic. Often mixed with ambient and or gothic music. Can have growled vocals, clean vocals or both. Probably my other favourite style along with black metal. Basically if this becomes too minimal it becomes Drone doom, too melodic/synth based it becomes ambient. Drone doom: Downtuned guitar based soundscapes, quite minimal. Technical death: The genre I tell my dad he should play every time he keeps moaning about how good an accordian players skills are and how electronic music isn't the same.

Eh your missing some definitions and some of those aren't exactly right or just wrong. BTW I find Rob zombie to be somewhat Traditional Heavy Metal mixed with Industrial.

Was a huge metal fan back in the day before getting into trance.

My favorite bands were Megadeth and X Japan, but I also liked Metallica, Symphony X, Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, Iron Maiden, Cacophony (except for their horrid vocalist), Onmyouza (they sound like Maiden but with a female vocalist).

I always go nuts when I hear this song get played in clubs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mllWv8eNvw

Sounds a lot better with the bpm slowed down a bit though. Never heard it played at this bpm in a club.

Darkarbiter, that was really unnecessary.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Yes, that's exactly what I said. Read what I said again. Yes, that song was deathcore, but it sounded pretty melodeathey imo. Certainly one of their less "core" songs.

Nah man, I read what you wrote, maybe it wasn't what you meant but you did imply that your vids were melodeath. Hence my post.

I still think your definition of "melodic" needs some work. Granted there's an ongoing split between in the melodeath genre with songs that really have varying degrees of brutality/harmony/melody being thrown in the same melodeath basket . As an example I just won't call "At the Gates" melodeath but some ppl do...

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Originally posted by TotalDeathXZero Eh your missing some definitions and some of those aren't exactly right or just wrong. BTW I find Rob zombie to be somewhat Traditional Heavy Metal mixed with Industrial.

As I said I'm a newb, feel free to write a better explanation, same goes to smc, he's definitely a lot more knowledgeable than me.

Well I don't know it's better than someone just writing "no" in response to "all metal sounds the same" and not bothering to explain. Or not, anyway, I tried.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter As I said I'm a newb, feel free to write a better explanation, same goes to smc, he's definitely a lot more knowledgeable than me. Well I don't know it's better than someone just writing "no" in response to "all metal sounds the same" and not bothering to explain. Or not, anyway, I tried.

It's alright man. I know a good amount of knowledge with metal but I'm afraid I'm not an expert, theres a good amount of people that can probly crush me with knowledge that listen to metal for a living while I try to spread my taste of knowledge through all kinds of music. But since I dedicate most of my listening to metal I can call myself none other than a metal head unless I devote my tastes to another genre which I don't find happening at least for a good while if even which I doubt.

We need more death metal in general in this thread. IT STARTS NOW!!!

Could some metalhead explain me what's point of screaming in death metal ?

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