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Originally posted by Q5echo i'm not sure how relevant your criticism is but if taken to the inverse, that really only means center-left liberals are simply more invested in the dogma, right?

only if the debate were a matter of opinions rather than fact.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN only if the debate were a matter of opinions rather than fact.

if youre implying that center-right conservatives only have their opinions to offer in this debate then i would say that would be absurd and is only your opinion.

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Originally posted by Q5echo if youre implying that center-right conservatives only have their opinions to offer in this debate then i would say that would be absurd and is only your opinion.

no, im saying only one side ignores the science and scientists re global warming in favour of their own pre-conceived notions that just happen to coincide nicely with their conservative bias.

in other words, you're a global warming denialist because you're a conservative. there's actually a causal link in there somewhere. i don't subscribe to man-made global warming because im a "liberal". i subscribe because that's what the consensus of those best able to judge are saying.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, im saying only one side ignores the science and scientists re global warming in favour of their own pre-conceived notions that just happen to coincide nicely with their conservative bias. in other words, you're a global warming denialist because you're a conservative. there's actually a causal link in there somewhere. i don't subscribe to man-made global warming because im a "liberal". i subscribe because that's what the consensus of those best able to judge are saying.

There's not exactly a consensus though. There are plenty of studies out there (combined with the fact that the average global temperature hasn't risen since 2001) that dispute the theories that you subscribe to.

Other than shouting down the people at the head of those studies with labels of "Climate Change Denier!" and "Right-Wing Nutbar", I don't see many from the left showing their own (current!) studies disputing the (more recent) studies that say "Global Warming" (now changed to 'Climate Change', since the world stopped warming) is a hoax.

Global warming, make a thread about it.

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Originally posted by Krypton Buzz Aldrin is my hero.

Interesting. Buzz Aldrin has also, on MANY occasions, let slip that Apollo 11 and many of the other early US space craft were followed and observed while on their way to the moon by UFOs. Gordon Cooper - now deceased - Edgar Mitchell, and a few others have also talked about it.

I used to think that the landings were fake, but not anymore. But I also think there's a lot more on the Moon than most people think. Why are other nations around the world - Japan, Russia, China, the EU - rushing to go back there?

Aldrin recently said on a tv program a few weeks ago that a "monolith structure" was discovered on one of Mars' moons, Phobos I believe. It's miles high and he openly said we should send a manned mission there in the next few decades to "discover who put it there".

Very interesting, indeed.

Well, I guess the truthers were right after all!

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LEBANON, OHIO�Apollo 11 mission commander and famed astronaut Neil Armstrong shocked reporters at a press conference Monday, announcing he had been convinced that his historic first step on the moon was part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by the United States government. According to Armstrong, he was forced to reconsider every single detail of the monumental journey after watching a few persuasive YouTube videos, and reading several blog posts on conspiracy theorist Ralph Coleman's website, OmissionControl.org. LEBANON, OHIO�Apollo 11 mission commander and famed astronaut Neil Armstrong shocked reporters at a press conference Monday, announcing he had been convinced that his historic first step on the moon was part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by the United States government. According to Armstrong, he was forced to reconsider every single detail of the monumental journey after watching a few persuasive YouTube videos, and reading several blog posts on conspiracy theorist Ralph Coleman's website, OmissionControl.org. "It only took a few hastily written paragraphs published by this passionate denier of mankind's so-called 'greatest technological achievement' for me to realize I had been living a lie, " said a visibly emotional Armstrong, addressing reporters at his home. "It has become painfully clear to me that on July 20, 1969, the Lunar Module under the control of my crew did not in fact travel 250,000 miles over eight days, touch down on the moon, and perform various experiments, ushering in a new era for humanity. Instead, the entire thing was filmed on a soundstage, most likely in New Mexico." "This is the only logical interpretation of the numerous inconsistencies in the grainy, 40-year-old footage," Armstrong added. Enlarge Image Omission Control Amstrong was swayed by OmissionControl's use of bolding and capital letters to highlight NASA's many blatant fallacies. Although Armstrong said he "could have sworn" he felt the effects of zero gravity while soaring out of the Earth's atmosphere and through space, he now believed his memory must be flawed. He also admitted feeling "ashamed" that he had failed to notice the rippling of the American flag he and Buzz Aldrin planted on the surface, blaming his lack of awareness on the bulkiness of the spacesuit and his excitement about traveling to the "moon." "That rippling is not possible in the vacuum of space," Armstrong said. "It must have been the wind from an air-conditioning duct that I didn't recognize because you can't hear a damn thing inside those helmets." "This is all just common sense, people," he added. "It's the moon. You can't land on the moon." In a symbolic display of his newfound skepticism, Armstrong then grabbed a collection of moon rocks he had kept as souvenirs and dramatically dumped them into a trash can. One of the main arguments posited on Coleman's website�that America could not, in 1969, have realistically possessed the technological capabilities needed to put a man on the moon�was reportedly one of the first things to cause the legendary astronaut a pang of doubt. Despite having spent thousands of hours training for the historic mission under the guidance of the world's top scientists, technicians, and pilots, Armstrong said he knew the conspiracy theories were true after learning that website author Coleman was "quite the engineering buff." "Yes, at the time I thought those thousands of NASA employees were working round the clock for the same incredible goal, but if anyone would know what was really going on, it would be Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said of the 31-year-old part-time librarian's assistant. "He knows a lot more about faked moon landings than I ever could. He's been researching the subject on the Internet for years." "Literally years," he added. Addressing another inconsistency brought to light by OmissionControl, Armstrong explained he was probably so focused on piloting the lunar module that he failed to notice that one of the moon rocks visible in footage of the landing appears to have the letter 'C' stamped on it. An emotional Armstrong said that the only possible explanation for this detail was that the rock actually came from NASA's prop department. "They forgot to turn it over," Armstrong said, removing his eyeglasses to wipe away tears. "Those lying bastards at NASA went through all the trouble to fake the moon landing, but they forgot to turn over one little prop rock. And now the whole damn thing's blowing up in their faces." Although Armstrong initially questioned why the U.S. would attempt such an elaborate cover-up, he cited one overarching explanation provided by Coleman: that it was a ploy to defeat the Soviet Union and fulfill the Illuminati's plan to unify the world's banks and control the dissemination of information. "Just ask Ralph Coleman," Armstrong said. "He'll answer any questions you have." To conclude the press conference, Armstrong showed reporters footage of his first steps on the moon to demonstrate that the most daming evidence was "right under our noses." Speeding up the tape and replaying the graceful moonwalk several times in a row, Armstrong explained that the iconic images of humanity's triumphant dance with the cosmos was actually just a film of him walking backwards, slowed down, and played in reverse. "What other explanation could there be?" Armstrong asked. "It's all right here. Everything is all right here if you'd just open your damn eyes and see!" Added Armstrong, "I suppose it really was one small step for man, one giant lie for mankind."

http://www.theonion.com/content/new..._convinces_neil

pkc, I think they got us on this one.

lols!

Oh man, does that mean that we have to apologise to every nut un this thread now...oh wait we cant call them nuts any more since they were right all along

Well my world view hasnt completely shattered yet, unless the onion is interviewing Dubya next where he confesses that he did 911 or if somehow a video surfaces where obama takes off his rubber mask and reveals himself to be Hitler (or Stallin, whatever the case may be these days)

I thought this matter was settled back in 2003 ....

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well, I guess the truthers were right after all! http://www.theonion.com/content/new..._convinces_neil pkc, I think they got us on this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8237558.stm

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Originally posted by Sunsnail http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8237558.stm

That's awesome!

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NASA's newly launched Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has snapped images of hardware left on the moon by the Apollo astronauts, striking a blow against conspiracy theories that the landings were a hoax

http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/apollo-site-images

Sorry just need to post another pwned pic for the moon-landing-deniers cause they're so fun...

Is this supposed to be a joke? Why would I accept images from NASA WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Is this supposed to be a joke? Why would I accept images from NASA WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BEHIND THE CONSPIRACY?

So what now you're going to claim the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is fake too? wow...just wow...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18688469/...-Mission-Design

http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/blog.html (all sorts of pictures here)

Not only did they launch the LRO, there was a secondary payload in the same rocket; Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS)

More about that here:
http://space.skyrocket.de/index_fra...oc_sdat/lro.htm

Firestarter, if NASA is capable of faking the lunar landing, I'm sure they are capable of photoshopping some pics.

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Originally posted by Krypton Firestarter, if NASA is capable of faking the lunar landing, I'm sure they are capable of photoshopping some pics.

Yes. Because everything NASA does is fake.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes. Because everything NASA does is fake.

I'd say half of the shit they'v done was fake. do you actually think we'v sent rovers to Mars, I mean come on, open your mind!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...ZHW-ywD9AL00A00

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Originally posted by Krypton I'd say half of the shit they'v done was fake. do you actually think we'v sent rovers to Mars, I mean come on, open your mind!

I my god...you're right! What the hell was I thinking!!? You know, I actually just thought about it for a brief sec. and WHAM! It's all so clear now...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I my god...you're right! What the hell was I thinking!!? You know, I actually just thought about it for a brief sec. and WHAM! It's all so clear now...

You do realize I'm trolling you don't you? I don't believe this shit.

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Originally posted by Krypton You do realize I'm trolling you don't you? I don't believe this shit.

Yes, hence my last post
(You didn't think I was serious did yea?)

Now lets get back to a rockin' set of Kumbaya...



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