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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charte...French_Language

if anyone feels like reading.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Yea, i'm aware, again. I guess i'll reverse my example. Despite Miami being officially english, there's spanish signs everywhere, because they understand that people have difficulty reading in english.

Oh, ok. But that is not the case in Montreal.

Why would they do that though ? Shouldn't Spanish immigrants integrate to English ? I thought the USA was more of a melting pot...

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Originally posted by julien2 Well, then your argument is invalid... Florida has a large Spanish population, but Florida's official language is still English. Whereas Quebec's one and only official language is French.

You are a bit uninformed. The US has no official language at all. Hence why you can go to almost any government agency and get the forms in like 20 different languages.

edit//I have been informed that the state of Florida has one declared. I stand corrected.

I met this guy Romain from Saint Etienne and he told me that when he was in MTL he preferred people to speak to him in English because he couldn't understand QC French

I think he was just being snobby. I really don't find that huge of a difference between Indo-european French and QC French.

I remember studying the evolution of the french language in North America and historians have boiled it down to very specific reasons as to how and why french evolved the way it did in the western world. I can't remember any of them but I do recall that it was pretty fascinating shit.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I met this guy Romain from Saint Etienne and he told me that when he was in MTL he preferred people to speak to him in English because he couldn't understand QC French I think he was just being snobby. I really don't find that huge of a difference between Indo-european French and QC French. I remember studying the evolution of the french language in North America and historians have boiled it down to very specific reasons as to how and why french evolved the way it did in the western world. I can't remember any of them but I do recall that it was pretty fascinating shit.

you study linguistics and cannot see the difference?

quebec french is old time french, nothing like anywhere else.

Well basically what happened is that when the English conquered New France, all of the intellectuals, traders and rich French people went back to France. Only the clergy and peasants stayed. Now that was in the 18th century. During about 200 years, there were almost no communication between France and the "Province of Quebec", as it was called then. So France's French evolved in Europe as the phonems (pronunciation of words) changed and the language "switched places in the mouth".

So some Qu�b�cois still speak 18th century French. That is why you will sometimes hear "mo�" instead of "moi" or things like that. That is actually how the kings and courts of France would speak in the 18th century (actually, that is how parisians spoke in the 18th century, because there were dozens of languages in France which have now disappeared because they were forbidden).

However, most young Qu�b�cois now speak international French. The only difference is in vocabulary and expression. We have our own dialect for those hehe. Still, some stupis French people like to patronize Qu�b�cois. They think we have an accent. It's just as ridiculous as saying the "British accent". There is no British accent and there is no Qu�b�cois accent. It's simply different dialects.

But still, every Qu�b�cois can speak French as well as a Parisian if they really want to. We just don't want to sound like them

tse la.

When i was in france my family was laughing at how you guys pronounced beurre

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Originally posted by lenazi tse la.

haha.

which is just as bad as the french who say "tu sais" every two seconds"

ouais bon tu sais, �a va, file le moi ce putain de fromage

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Originally posted by Sunsnail When i was in france my family was laughing at how you guys pronounced beurre

Well, the way we pronounce it does not make our lips look like a chicken's asshole.



haha just kidding we love the French.

moe j'aime mes roteux all dressed avec kitchup

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Originally posted by lenazi you study linguistics and cannot see the difference? quebec french is old time french, nothing like anywhere else.

it's still french to me
I can understand a southern texas twang just as well as I can understand a Cockney drunk

Accent and vernacular don't change the prescriptive rules of the language. Extend a vowel here and there, long "i"/short "i", etc.
All it takes is some getting used to.

Certain phrases always catch me off guard though. I dated a guy from Chicout and conversations with his grandparents were fucking difficult for a long while until I just got used to it.

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Originally posted by julien2 Well basically what happened is that when the English conquered New France, all of the intellectuals, traders and rich French people went back to France. Only the clergy and peasants stayed. Now that was in the 18th century. During about 200 years, there were almost no communication between France and the "Province of Quebec", as it was called then. So France's French evolved in Europe as the phonems (pronunciation of words) changed and the language "switched places in the mouth". So some Qu�b�cois still speak 18th century French. That is why you will sometimes hear "mo�" instead of "moi" or things like that. That is actually how the kings and courts of France would speak in the 18th century (actually, that is how parisians spoke in the 18th century, because there were dozens of languages in France which have now disappeared because they were forbidden). However, most young Qu�b�cois now speak international French. The only difference is in vocabulary and expression. We have our own dialect for those hehe. Still, some stupis French people like to patronize Qu�b�cois. They think we have an accent. It's just as ridiculous as saying the "British accent". There is no British accent and there is no Qu�b�cois accent. It's simply different dialects. But still, every Qu�b�cois can speak French as well as a Parisian if they really want to. We just don't want to sound like them

THAT was the part I meant.
That France has a larger population so the language evolved differently, whereas, the quebec populations spoke a language similar to that of France under the rule of Charlemagne (or whatever the ruler was at the time of the trans-atlantic expeditions).
K wait I might be off by a century here. I'll have to google it later.
But ya that was what I found fascinating. How middle-age french was more or less preserved in QC.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox THAT was the part I meant. That France has a larger population so the language evolved differently, whereas, the quebec populations spoke a language similar to that of France under the rule of Charlemagne (or whatever the ruler was at the time of the trans-atlantic expeditions). K wait I might be off by a century here. I'll have to google it later. But ya that was what I found fascinating. How middle-age french was more or less preserved in QC.

lol charlemagne

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp people who can spell...... abitibi is probably one of the most gorgeous regions of quebec, clearly you haven't pulled your head out of your ass long enough to enjoy the rest of the province. that's like basically like saying Toronto is the only place worth visiting in Ontario.... since OP as stepped down from the throne of the kingdom of idiot, im glad Adam here has stepped up to claim his birthright as king of the morons....

Whoa calm down. Quebec is not good at accommodating tourists, it's a fact. I know as well as you do that there are many beautiful places in Quebec, I did not mean to say that I don't appreciate what this province has to offer. Also Jay, you can take your whole post and do God knows what with it because it was a waste of time as you didn't need to convince me of any of those things as I already knew them.

Did you know that Quebec doesn't publish any tourism guides in languages that are not French? It is very easy for you to speak about your positive experiences, since you never had trouble fitting in in the first place.

I don't have any problems living here anymore. I'd say my French dialogue is roughly at 70% compared to most, and that more than gets me by (only exception is in really loud places as my hearing isn't the best). I'm just saying that Quebec, and Quebecers (not as a whole, but they exist) do not make it very easy for outsiders who are trying to get by.

the 2 quebecois boys sitting in my dining room right now say everything is in french & english in montreal and all the big touristy cities.

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Originally posted by Adam420 Whoa calm down. Quebec is not good at accommodating tourists, it's a fact. I know as well as you do that there are many beautiful places in Quebec, I did not mean to say that I don't appreciate what this province has to offer. Also Jay, you can take your whole post and do God knows what with it because it was a waste of time as you didn't need to convince me of any of those things as I already knew them. Did you know that Quebec doesn't public any tourism guides in languages that are not French? It is very easy for you to speak about your positive experiences, since you never had trouble fitting in in the first place. I don't have any problems living here anymore. I'd say my French dialogue is roughly at 70% compared to most, and that more than gets me by (only exception is in really loud places as my hearing isn't the best). I'm just saying that Quebec, and Quebecers (not as a whole, but they exist) do not make it very easy for outsiders who are trying to get by.

why are you here, and why do tourists still come then?

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Originally posted by Adam420 Whoa calm down. Quebec is not good at accommodating tourists, it's a fact. I know as well as you do that there are many beautiful places in Quebec, I did not mean to say that I don't appreciate what this province has to offer. Also Jay, you can take your whole post and do God knows what with it because it was a waste of time as you didn't need to convince me of any of those things as I already knew them. Did you know that Quebec doesn't public any tourism guides in languages that are not French? It is very easy for you to speak about your positive experiences, since you never had trouble fitting in in the first place. I don't have any problems living here anymore. I'd say my French dialogue is roughly at 70% compared to most, and that more than gets me by (only exception is in really loud places as my hearing isn't the best). I'm just saying that Quebec, and Quebecers (not as a whole, but they exist) do not make it very easy for outsiders who are trying to get by.

You are really thick.

1- Quebec is neither better, nor worse at accomodating tourists. I don't know where you have been in your life, but I have been to Slovakia and Bulgaria, and let me tell you that they don't make more efforts there. Italians make 0 effort with tourism because they assume there will be tourits forever. Also, and this is another discussion entirely, Paris is the "best" city for accomodating tourists", so much so that I feel like it's a tourist city altogether. It's lost a lot of charm.

Parking instructions in Bulgaria are in Bulgarian and that's it.

2- Not only does Quebec publish guides in English, but it also publishes guide in Spanish, German and Italian.

I went into the Ogilvy store the other day, and there were Montreal shipping guides and tourist guides in English...



I am quite surprised to see that some people want to travel to see exactly the same thing they have at home.

Whenever I travel, and I have travelled a whole lot in my life, I am looking for difference and surprises....

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Originally posted by lenazi why are you here, and why do tourists still come then?

I'm still here because I've gotten over the whole French thing, and most people I know are here and I am not ready to leave yet.

Why do tourists still come? Fact is that tourists visit everywhere. Tourists visit Afghanistan. So what? It's not about the tourists who are still coming here, it's about the tourists who are not coming here. All I'm saying is that Quebec could do a lot more to maximize tourism revenues.

Come on admit it Jay, Quebec has many wonderful and charming places that even most locals barely know about! I'm not saying Quebec doesn't have anything to offer to tourists, I'm saying that it doesn't make it easy enough for tourists to spend their money here.

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Originally posted by julien2 You are really thick. 1- Quebec is neither better, nor worse at accomodating tourists. I don't know where you have been in your life, but I have been to Slovakia and Bulgaria, and let me tell you that they don't make more efforts there. Italians make 0 effort with tourism because they assume there will be tourits forever. Also, and this is another discussion entirely, Paris is the "best" city for accomodating tourists", so much so that I feel like it's a tourist city altogether. It's lost a lot of charm. Parking instructions in Bulgaria are in Bulgarian and that's it. 2- Not only does Quebec publish guides in English, but it also publishes guide in Spanish, German and Italian. I went into the Ogilvy store the other day, and there were Montreal shipping guides and tourist guides in English... I am quite surprised to see that some people want to travel to see exactly the same thing they have at home. Whenever I travel, and I have travelled a whole lot in my life, I am looking for difference and surprises....

Julien, Quebec is not part of a third or second world country

As for tourism guides available in English, IDK, you may be right, but last I was told and last I saw French language offerings were better.

And please don't tell me I'm thick. I don't think I deserve it. I'm not an idiot, this is a broad topic and you can't expect everyone to get their points 100% right every time. I'm saying what I feel, and I think that personal opinion, by default, constitutes for a large part of this discussion we're having.

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Originally posted by Adam420 I'm still here because I've gotten over the whole French thing, and most people I know are here and I am not ready to leave yet. Why do tourists still come? Fact is that tourists visit everywhere. Tourists visit Afghanistan. So what? It's not about the tourists who are still coming here, it's about the tourists who are not coming here. All I'm saying is that Quebec could do a lot more to maximize tourism revenues. Come on admit it Jay, Quebec has many wonderful and charming places that even most locals barely know about! I'm not saying Quebec doesn't have anything to offer to tourists, I'm saying that it doesn't make it easy enough for tourists to spend their money here.

http://www.bonjourquebec.com/

how many languages are offered here?

the Afghanistan remark only weakens your argument. you are wrong.

point a la ligne.

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Originally posted by Adam420 Julien, Quebec is not part of a third or second world country As for tourism guides available in English, IDK, you may be right, but last I was told and last I saw French language offerings were better. And please don't tell me I'm thick. I don't think I deserve it. I'm not an idiot, this is a broad topic and you can't expect everyone to get their points 100% right every time. I'm saying what I feel, and I think that personal opinion, by default, constitutes for a large part of this discussion we're having.

You are right about the insult and I apologize.

However you can't tell me I can't name third world countries and then name Afghanistan.

The fact is that you posted to say that you thought the OP had a point. The OP's point is that by having street names in French, Montreal is hurting it's tourism industry.

That point is wrong and has been proven wrong over the course of this topic.

Point � la ligne

tse les accents sur le clavier c'est pas tout le monde qui en as.tse fais pas ton frais chier

haha.

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