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Originally posted by lenazi ben knows

Yeah. I told your sister shes gotta leave the pork chop sandwiches at home.

Independent of genetics, I feel there is also something to be said for those who are born and raised in an environment whereby healthy nutritional selections simply weren't encouraged.

Now, there's certainly a pillar of personal responsibility over one's health that can't be overlooked (once someone reaches the point where they have more presiding control over it), but when considering these above mentioned mitigating circumstances, not every fat person deserves to be lumped together with that guy, who ravenously consumes to the deliberate neglect of their own health and appearance (especially those who make a concentrated effort at actively fighting against inherited behaviors).

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Independent of genetics, I feel there is also something to be said for those who are born and raised in an environment whereby healthy nutritional selections simply weren't encouraged. Now, there's certainly a pillar of personal responsibility over one's health that can't be overlooked (once someone reaches the point where they have more presiding control over it), but when considering these above mentioned mitigating circumstances, not every fat person deserves to be lumped together with that guy who ravenously consumes to the deliberate neglect of their own health and appearance (especially those who make a concentrated effort at actively fighting against inherited behaviors).

I disagree. I still have yet to meet someone who ACTUALLY has genetic issues that cause them to be fat or obese.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I disagree. I still have yet to meet someone who ACTUALLY has genetic issues that cause them to be fat or obese.

Actually, my intent was to set the issue of genetics aside for a moment, and focus more upon environmental considerations.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Actually, my intent was to set the issue of genetics aside for a moment, and focus more upon environmental considerations.

Oops my bad.

In that case, then yes I do agree that environmental things have effects, but I am skeptical at how far reaching they really are. That is if by environmental factors you are referring to things external of the parental influence. If you are strictly referring to the parental influence, then it is 100% there. Although I do think that other external factors, such as extreme prevalence of HFCS as a sugar substitute, have an effect also. So, I don't think that 100% of the issue is something all parents can control.

Yeah, I'm largely referring to the types of influences that exist within the family, but since you brought it up, the broader communal influences regarding matters of nutrition is something that really can't be overlooked.

In San Francisco, for example, there's been a major push at providing better avenues for healthier eating in some of the more economically depressed areas, since they tend to be inundated with local markets that offer little more than your average gamut of junk food (chips, cookies, soda, etc). When your immediate area consists largely of stores like this, your flexibility in making sound health choices becomes rather limited indeed.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Yeah, I'm largely referring to the types of influences that exist within the family, but since you brought it up, the broader communal influences regarding matters of nutrition is something that really can't be overlooked. In San Francisco, for example, there's been a major push at providing better avenues for healthier eating in some of the more economically depressed areas, since they tend to be inundated with local markets that offer little more than your average gamut of junk food (chips, cookies, soda, etc). When your immediate area consists largely of stores like this, your flexibility in making sound health choices becomes rather limited indeed.

Yeah the familial aspect needs to be reformed in obvious fashion. Unfortunately, it is not exactly cheap in the US to eat properly. I grew up in a suburb of Sacramento, and boy were most of the people around us, and including us, on the lower end of the economic spectrum. Eating in a healthy manner was just not an option when you have to feed a large family.

That is an awesome thing. Quite frankly, we need more of those types of programs. One area though I can see where large improvements can be made, is at school. The lunches that the school makes could easily be better. Too bad the farm bill totally removes that ability.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel That is an awesome thing. Quite frankly, we need more of those types of programs. One area though I can see where large improvements can be made, is at school. The lunches that the school makes could easily be better. Too bad the farm bill totally removes that ability.

Hasn't the elimination of traditional junk items from your the cafeteria menu been all the rage in California for the past few years?

I know in the Bay Area, they've steadily done away with things like soft drinks, and your typical grease saturated entrees (you know, things that actually made lunchtime something worth looking forward to ), and not without controversy, of course.

Not sure how it is in So Cal, but they've been aggressively phasing in healthier substitutes rather quickly up here.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I disagree. I still have yet to meet someone who ACTUALLY has genetic issues that cause them to be fat or obese.

i have, you might have too but an acquaintance isn't going to tell you their life story

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Hasn't the elimination of traditional junk items from your the cafeteria menu been all the rage in California for the past few years? I know in the Bay Area, they've steadily done away with things like soft drinks, and your typical grease saturated entrees (you know, things that actually made lunchtime something worth looking forward to ), and not without controversy, of course. Not sure how it is in So Cal, but they've been aggressively phasing in healthier substitutes rather quickly up here.

To be fair, I am soon to turn 26, so I don't know what it is like in primary and secondary school anymore. When I finished school though, it was as unhealthy as ever. Horribly greasy foods, lots of sugar, and lots of fatty stuff.

Also, I grew up in NorCal, so I dunno what it was like to go to school here in primary or secondary either.

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Originally posted by chimera66 i have, you might have too but an acquaintance isn't going to tell you their life story

Okay, that's cool, but if you were to take 50 shamus, how many would have a genetic or legitimate health disorder claim?

That is the point Jay and I are making. We are not discounting the people that ACTUALLY have the issue, just the claim that seemingly every shamu seems to make.

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[b]Originally posted by gehzumteufel Okay, that's cool, but if you were to take 50 shamus, how many would have a genetic or legitimate health disorder claim? That is the point Jay and I are making. We are not discounting the people that ACTUALLY have the issue, just the claim that seemingly every shamu seems to make.

no more than 5, the vast majority are just lazy i know that

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Originally posted by chimera66 no more than 5, the vast majority are just lazy i know that

Re: The most hilarious show on television is...

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Originally posted by lenazi http://www.fox.com/moretolove/ epic fat people lulz.

Only in America.

Did anyone say Idoru yet in this thread?


Idoru.

Jenny's rage against fat people is giving me a boner.

this thread is win.

if magic johnson could get rid of aids, lana lardass can get herself to being a size 7 or 8.

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