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Originally posted by Energy_3 Damm thats what i noticed i have like a score of 13

lol me too

So, though sheer luck and a good connection, I managed to score a brand new Little Phatty Stage II from GC with a 33% discount. This deal was simply too good to pass up, so I jumped at it. I had my sights set on picking up a poly analog first, based on the recommendations in this thread, but the discount price allowed me to pick up the LP now and I'll be able to get an additional poly in the next few months.

I've only had it for a little less than a week, but I'm extremely satisfied with my purchase. The sound is really, really good. It sounds so much better than the VA hardware I have owned (and sold) in the past. I can certainly see why people extol the benefits of analog. I'm finding a lot of use for the LP in my productions. I'm amazed at how easy it is to get good sounds out of the unit. The interface is so simple, it has already proven to be a big leap forward in my programming skill.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's suggestions, especially Alan for taking the time to put together all those comparisons. The LP might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it is fitting perfectly with the style of music I make, and thats about all I can ask from a new sound unit.

Nice. I'd probably get a LP if they ever come out with a rack-mount. I have had the opportunity to get an LP for about $700... so I imagine I would be able to score an LP rack for around $500 with some patience. Which isn't nearly as bad as 1500 for a Voyager rack!

Things you're going to not have with the LP vs Voyager:

3rd OSC -- obvious uses

dual filter -- kinda cool, but the stereo effects are a little weird and only heard when the filter is partially closed. I personally don't use bandpass too often, anyway... and bandpass filters can be done with a software filter no problem. UAD Moog

FM -- I was hoping this sounded better on the Voyager, but I guess I'm too used to the Nord Lead 3's perfect FM. It can be used to grung-up sounds, but no more than modulating the pitch/filter to a fast LFO

Envelopes -- I believe the envelopes are a bit different. Try getting some nice snap out of them. That was one of the best things on the Voyager.

I think that's about it. I believe it has the same OSCs and LP filter as the Voyager, though. I really like the encoders on the LP. They're very similar to the NL3 which is a huge win in my book.

Nice Eric all the best with the new baby!

Does the LP have a noise source, Eric? That's something I tried to look for and couldn't find. I didn't really like the noise on the Voyager, either. It more added static to sound rather than brighten them up like noise does on any other synth I've used. That effect can be cool on basses, though. But I would have used it more if it brightened the sound.

turning the osc volumes above 32 they start to distort if u red manual

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Originally posted by mysticalninja turning the osc volumes above 32 they start to distort if u red manual

The Andromeda has a similar characteristic. I didn't notice that on the Voyager, though.

im talking about the pulse actually

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Originally posted by mysticalninja im talking about the pulse actually

Just played around with that. It's very subtle. Good info, though. THanks!

yeh it's hard to a/b cause the change in volume

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Originally posted by mysticalninja yeh it's hard to a/b cause the change in volume

I did so by just increasing the output on my DAC. I could hear a difference. It was quite subtle, though.

Also, if anyone cares, if I don't like the ATC-1, which I'm 1/2 expecting that I won't, I'll definitely be getting a 2nd 3rd and perhaps even 4th pulse. What an awesome machine it is!

You want to connect them for polyphony? or just because you're too lazy to bounce? I think I read in the manual you can connect them for polyphony.. i'd like to hear that.

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Originally posted by alanzo Does the LP have a noise source, Eric?

No, but you can add the CP-251 Control Processor, which has noise.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja turning the osc volumes above 32 they start to distort if u red manual

thanks for the info!

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Originally posted by mysticalninja You want to connect them for polyphony? or just because you're too lazy to bounce? I think I read in the manual you can connect them for polyphony.. i'd like to hear that.

I want a PolyPulse!

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Originally posted by alanzo I want a PolyPulse!

me too that other one is taunting me

OK, so now that the LP purchase is done, my attention is turning toward the next thing. I'm going to have about $3,000 to spend around the holidays, so I'm beginning my search now for the next unit.

Obviously the Andromeda A6 is high on the list, based on this thread. However, I have also been considering the Omega 4 voice and the Roland V-Synth GT. The Andromeda has been discussed already. The Omega sounds great, obviously, but I havent committed on that. The V-Synth is tempting because it has the ability to produce unique sounds unavailable in other synthesizers. Resysthesis? Elastic Audio? Sounds tempting. I saw a demo of a guy that brought in an external synth (D-50) as an oscillator, mixed in an internal oscillator, and then put the signal through a modelled TB-303 filter. Thats pretty cool. It also seems to take a lot of the best features of other Roland units and combine then all into one unit.

Does anyone own one of these?

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Originally posted by Eric J OK, so now that the LP purchase is done, my attention is turning toward the next thing. I'm going to have about $3,000 to spend around the holidays, so I'm beginning my search now for the next unit. Obviously the Andromeda A6 is high on the list, based on this thread. However, I have also been considering the Omega 4 voice and the Roland V-Synth GT. The Andromeda has been discussed already. The Omega sounds great, obviously, but I havent committed on that. The V-Synth is tempting because it has the ability to produce unique sounds unavailable in other synthesizers. Resysthesis? Elastic Audio? Sounds tempting. I saw a demo of a guy that brought in an external synth (D-50) as an oscillator, mixed in an internal oscillator, and then put the signal through a modelled TB-303 filter. Thats pretty cool. It also seems to take a lot of the best features of other Roland units and combine then all into one unit. Does anyone own one of these?

I would only say to get an Omega if the voice limitation won't bother you. Especially if you go for a 4 voice. You can get a 16 voice Andromeda for the same price as the 4 voice. The OSCs on the ATC-1 are supposedly very similar to the Omega. They definitely sound stronger, more vintage analog. But not Moog vintage, more Roland vintage. Which is awesome.

I've never played with a V-Synth, but the guy at http://www.synth.nl who owns a ca-gillion synths says the V-Synth is one of his favorites along with the Jupiter 8, Moog Model D, Virus, and one other obscure instrument. If it interests you, get a rack that way you can easily re-sell if it's not for you.

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Originally posted by Eric J So, though sheer luck and a good connection, I managed to score a brand new Little Phatty Stage II from GC with a 33% discount. This deal was simply too good to pass up, so I jumped at it. I had my sights set on picking up a poly analog first, based on the recommendations in this thread, but the discount price allowed me to pick up the LP now and I'll be able to get an additional poly in the next few months. I've only had it for a little less than a week, but I'm extremely satisfied with my purchase. The sound is really, really good. It sounds so much better than the VA hardware I have owned (and sold) in the past. I can certainly see why people extol the benefits of analog. I'm finding a lot of use for the LP in my productions. I'm amazed at how easy it is to get good sounds out of the unit. The interface is so simple, it has already proven to be a big leap forward in my programming skill. Anyway, thanks for everyone's suggestions, especially Alan for taking the time to put together all those comparisons. The LP might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it is fitting perfectly with the style of music I make, and thats about all I can ask from a new sound unit.

Awesome man, have fun with it. I know I do.

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Originally posted by alanzo I would only say to get an Omega if the voice limitation won't bother you. Especially if you go for a 4 voice. You can get a 16 voice Andromeda for the same price as the 4 voice. The OSCs on the ATC-1 are supposedly very similar to the Omega. They definitely sound stronger, more vintage analog. But not Moog vintage, more Roland vintage. Which is awesome.

Yeah, the 4-voice limit is a major problem, especially since I use a LOT of pads. I have not checked out the ATC-1, but I'll have a look. Thanks.

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Originally posted by alanzo I've never played with a V-Synth, but the guy at http://www.synth.nl who owns a ca-gillion synths says the V-Synth is one of his favorites along with the Jupiter 8, Moog Model D, Virus, and one other obscure instrument. If it interests you, get a rack that way you can easily re-sell if it's not for you. https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?b...981081818950652

Thats a pretty good endorsement. Basically right now the two top contenders on my list are the Andromeda and the V-Synth. Its like a pennant race with these two, because they keep trading places.

The Andromeda has the ooey-gooey analog goodness, but the V-Synth keeps getting described as a "truly unique instrument". I have some time to decide, but that's why I'm starting to look now.

I've considered the V-Synth numerous times, but just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. There's definitely something appealing about it, but I really don't know what it is - every time I take a closer look at it, I just realise that it's not anything special. I always thought that the idea of having that big screen would be awesome, but after owning a Fantom X8, I realised what a waste of money and space that thing is - If I am going to be programming from a screen, I'd rather just use a software editor where I can see more/all parameters at once on one of my 22" wide screens. And/Or, I'd rather just have dedicated controls (knobs, buttons, sliders, etc) on the unit itself. Those big colorful screens (and seemingly unlimited sub-menus) just seem like a half-pregnant idea to me. I find features like the D-Pole to be pretty useless except as a gimmick, and I really hate Roland's flimsy-ass combination mod/pitch wheels. Just my 2 cents.

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Originally posted by Eric J The Andromeda has the ooey-gooey analog goodness, but the V-Synth keeps getting described as a "truly unique instrument". I have some time to decide, but that's why I'm starting to look now.

Once you buy an Andromeda, you're kinda stuck with it. Unless you want to sell local, that is. I hope to never deal with shipping mine. Even if UPS packs it for me, I still would be on edge about the whole thing. It would cost $100 just for packing, I'm sure.

With the V-Synth, if you get the rack module, you can easily resell/return if it's not your thing.

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Originally posted by alanzo Once you buy an Andromeda, you're kinda stuck with it. Unless you want to sell local, that is. I hope to never deal with shipping mine. Even if UPS packs it for me, I still would be on edge about the whole thing. It would cost $100 just for packing, I'm sure. With the V-Synth, if you get the rack module, you can easily resell/return if it's not your thing.

Yeah, but the idea is that whatever I'm getting won't be sold. This is why I'm making doubly sure that its something that I want to keep because it is something that I wont be able to sell.

I'm still doing research right now, but the tide is turning in favor of the Andromeda. I'm definitely wanting to get a poly, just which one and digital or analog. So far the priority list looks like this:

1. Alesis Andromeda A6
2. Roland V-Synth GT
3. DSI Prophet 08
4. Virus TI Polar.


Andromeda seems to cover all the bases. Analog, polyphonic, multitimbral (not real important, but nice). I still feel like that in the long run all that analog goodness is going to prove the most satisfying. The LP is certainly making me change my mind about a few things.
The GT is nice, but at the end of the day it is still a digital synth with analog modeling, and I think that will bother me after some time.
The Prophet is tempting, but the varying opinions makes me hesitate, and I haven't found one person who preferred the P08 over the A6. Also, that is one unit that I can pick up fairly cheap (1500 for Rack) sometime down the road.
The Virus is meh, but there is still a few people over on GS trying to convince me to give it another shot. Plus is VA, so that's potentially a problem. That is at least one unit I can probably find a way to test out locally.

The only thing I cant find about the Andromeda is: does it have VCO's or DCO's?

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Originally posted by Eric J Yeah, but the idea is that whatever I'm getting won't be sold. This is why I'm making doubly sure that its something that I want to keep because it is something that I wont be able to sell.

Definitely the opposite of my philosophy. eBay FTW.

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Originally posted by Eric J Andromeda seems to cover all the bases. Analog, polyphonic, multitimbral (not real important, but nice). I still feel like that in the long run all that analog goodness is going to prove the most satisfying. The LP is certainly making me change my mind about a few things.

Mmm.. yes. Andromeda. Very very nice for any analog sound you can imagine.

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Originally posted by Eric J The GT is nice, but at the end of the day it is still a digital synth with analog modeling, and I think that will bother me after some time.

If all you're going to use it for is the analog modeling, then yes, it would be disappointing over time. But I think it's trying to be more than just analog modeling...

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Originally posted by Eric J The Prophet is tempting, but the varying opinions makes me hesitate, and I haven't found one person who preferred the P08 over the A6. That is one unit that I can pick up fairly cheap (1500 for Rack)

I doubt you'll find anyone who has extensively used both who says they would rather have the Prophet than an Andromeda. If they're only considering capabilities and sound, that is. Prophet has ease of use and small footprint/price to its advantage.

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Originally posted by Eric J The Virus is meh, but there is still a few people over on GS trying to convince me to give it another shot. Plus is VA, so that's potentially a problem. That is at least one unit I can probably find a way to test out locally.

The Virus is nice but "meh" kinda sums it up for me. There's nothing it can do that my other instruments can't do better. NL3 is better for analog modeling/digital analog-ish sounds, Andromeda is better for straight-up analog sounds, and XT is better for Wavetables.

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Originally posted by Eric J The only thing I cant find about the Andromeda is: does it have VCO's or DCO's?

The Andromeda is 100% voltage controlled.. envelopes, OSCs, and filters. Even the most commonly used modulations are hard-wired into the board. But most of the more obscure modulations are done in software.

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Originally posted by alanzo Definitely the opposite of my philosophy. eBay FTW.

Used almost never works out for me. There is always a problem, so i quit buying things used that I could still buy new. Obviously there are some things that I'll have to buy used if I want them (out of production), but I'll always opt for new if I can.

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Originally posted by alanzo The Andromeda is 100% voltage controlled.. envelopes, OSCs, and filters. Even the most commonly used modulations are hard-wired into the board. But most of the more obscure modulations are done in software.

That is a HUGE plus for me right there. One of the biggest complaints I hear about the P08 is the fact that it has DCO's, and that's partly to blame for people thinking it sounds "cold" for an analog.

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