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Originally posted by astroboy This conflict only arises if you presuppose that scripture has a place in trying to answer scientific questions. This is an assumption that seems true for many in the US. Most religious people I know here are happy to accept science and let religion help them with their spiritual/moral questions, which are outside the realm of science. The very fact that there are places where this conflict between science and faith (which most enlightened people - religious or not - have left in the renaissance) even exists is sickening to me.

Yeah, I have noticed that, too. The US has a very unfair population of dinosaur-denying jew-drinkers, obviously. I think it really reinforces the virulence of religious thought though - there's no logical reason people have to believe in the the things they do, especially when they counter modern scientific practices and theories, yet they try to apply faith to something that can be clearly observed otherwise. I'm not even saying there is no God or something - how the fuck would I know? - it's just that people of this ilk tend to automatically assume science and religion are naturally at odds when really, it's their own inability to think for themselves that has lead to any argument whatsoever - and why do they go through the effort? Because they were raised that way. Same reason they're religious, too. Fetch.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid One thing that still puzzles me is if there was no intelligent design then why is our species the only known rational one?

Our species is rational? By whose terms?

Can I just go ahead and call it evolutionism?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Our species is rational? By whose terms?

LOL I don't think anyone can deny that we are much more advanced than anything else living know to us. But fair enough, rational is a loose term.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid LOL I don't think anyone can deny that we are much more advanced than anything else living know to us. But fair enough, rational is a loose term.

I think there's several million years of biological evidence to suggest that advancement is a temporary state. We are animals and animals have ways of making sense of their world to the furthering of their collective survival. If we are savage to one another, it is because nature has deemed that culling is in order. If we are peaceable, it is because nature has deigned that cooperation is of more worth. Is this 'intelligent'? Well, intelligence is something we only value in the individual - what if it actually meant nothing whatsoever?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I think there's several million years of biological evidence to suggest that advancement is a temporary state. We are animals and animals have ways of making sense of their world to the furthering of their collective survival. If we are savage to one another, it is because nature has deemed that culling is in order. If we are peaceable, it is because nature has deigned that cooperation is of more worth. Is this 'intelligent'? Well, intelligence is something we only value in the individual - what if it actually meant nothing whatsoever?

Well we're the first species (on this planet) to have the ability to destroy the planet.. that's gotta count for something right?

Seriously though I think if we don't kill ourselves or have a huge war that reverts us to the Middle Ages then we will progress to true mastery of the natural forces over the next couple of centuries.

The fact that we have oceans that are completely unexplored, yet still wage our stupid wars over shit like sand and God is pretty inexcusable.

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Originally posted by astroboy Well we're the first species (on this planet) to have the ability to destroy the planet.. that's gotta count for something right? Seriously though I think if we don't kill ourselves or have a huge war that reverts us to the Middle Ages then we will progress to true mastery of the natural forces over the next couple of centuries.

Kinda doubt that. We have become so dependent of the new technology that all of us do not advance, only a minority of academic elitists that create this advanced technology for the everyday Joe. So as we evolve we lose our instincts, just imagine a world without electricity and computers. How long would we manage to survive in such an environment?

There are people that manage to "master nature" to a certain degree, however we as a species will never manage to do it because as technology evolves, and we need it more, we lose our natural instincts and refuse to have an open mind about certain elements. We simply jade ourselves from the natural aspects and see everything through a pair of superficial eyes.

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Originally posted by yukii this was a good point: here is the full 2 hour video, twas very interesting i suggest it for listening or watching before bed

Holy crap I love this guy.

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Originally posted by yukii

Ahahahahaha

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Originally posted by wotyzoid One thing that still puzzles me is if there was no intelligent design then why is our species the only known rational one?

Genetic and random mutations leading to evolution. Did you not pay attention to anything that was just said in this thread?

I'm tutoring this 12 year old kid whose science textbook is called "Matter and Motion in God's Universe". It was full of evangelical Christian indoctrination mixed in with science. An obvious precursor to what it ultimately going to be taught. Creationism. Religious schools just irk me...

well if you like a feat to be challenged.


try this

http://books.google.ca/books?id=Af7...page&q=&f=false


this book written by an mit physicist tries to debunk evolution completely by simply stating that fossil records appeared immediatley at different times and there was no time for random mutations to take place in order to generate new phyla and organisms

you can start from page 83

im just looking through trying to find some discrepancies.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm tutoring this 12 year old kid whose science textbook is called "Matter and Motion in God's Universe". It was full of evangelical Christian indoctrination mixed in with science. An obvious precursor to what it ultimately going to be taught. Creationism. Religious schools just irk me...

i prefer the existence of religious schools for those who choose to be taught certain curriculum, than having religion intertwined with science at public schools..

however, i suppose the children who go to a religious school don't have much of a choice to begin with, which is disappointing considering the fact most children believe in whatever their parents believe in/have been taught since childhood. nevertheless, i once attended a christian private school, and later a catholic private school...

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Originally posted by yukii i prefer the existence of religious schools for those who choose to be taught certain curriculum, than having religion intertwined with science at public schools.. however, i suppose the children who go to a religious school don't have much of a choice to begin with, which is disappointing considering the fact most children believe in whatever their parents believe in/have been taught since childhood. nevertheless, i once attended a christian private school, and later a catholic private school...

read that book that i posted.. it does a great job trying to falsify evolution and instead replacing the unknown with interpretations of biblical verses.

-the latent library theory
-the improbability of evolution throughtout the cambrian explosion. -(he states its 5 million years but i think it was a bit longer)
i am getting 70 to 80 million years from other references.



convergent eyes appearing on the same loci of genes. (i knew about this phenomenon before) it is still unexplainable.


I have to give that guy credit, he did some nit picking and research and could really sway a crowd with basic scientific knowledge

seems interesting, however do you have the book or are you viewing the pages online?

going to bed now. i leave you guys with this.

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Originally posted by yukii seems interesting, however do you have the book or are you viewing the pages online?

you can skip through the pages online.

Good arguments against evolution i have to say this is the most convincing text ive read with regards to the subject. Although his counter arguments are bullox lol

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Originally posted by yukii okay, does he know he himself has ancestral remnants? if he does, then does he consider where they came from? why do we have the power to wiggle our ears -have wisdom teeth -have a tail bone -have an appendix God just put it there just in case of an emergency. they are all just a bunch of mutations that happen to everyone.. it's funny how they tie evolution with that picture:

For the sake of posterity, the latest scientific evidence suggests that appendices are actually not vestigial organs.

http://www.livescience.com/health/0...-evolution.html

There was actually a thread about this just a few days ago...

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=534943

//Simply not enough biologists on TA to make for a rational discussion.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On There was actually a thread about this just a few days ago... http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=534943 //Simply not enough biologists on TA to make for a rational discussion.

Evolution is pretty clear in biology, but there are tons of dumb-fucks out there.

i recently read the appendix wasn't a vestigial organ but i still hadn't looked it up to see for myself if it was true [i was formally taught that it was..] so my bad everyone... for the sake of posterity

This is about creationism vs. evolution but...

The concept of religion is absolutely absurd. Those who devote their lives to it are pathetic in the worst manner possible.

just my two cents lol

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Originally posted by floyd741 This is about creationism vs. evolution but... The concept of religion is absolutely absurd. Those who devote their lives to it are pathetic in the worst manner possible. just my two cents lol

You know, most days, I would completely agree, but if there is no God to cause or justify actions, then even a secular lifestyle is equally as worthless. Religion is simply an institution to focus all of that loose, tribal energy people have floating around, remnants of a time when religion was truly necessary to our prolonged survival - this is of course no longer the case, but some are much slower than others.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You know, most days, I would completely agree, but if there is no God to cause or justify actions, then even a secular lifestyle is equally as worthless. Religion is simply an institution to focus all of that loose, tribal energy people have floating around, remnants of a time when religion was truly necessary to our prolonged survival - this is of course no longer the case, but some are much slower than others.

Totally, there really is no advantage in it but it just seems that I'd rather live life as an atheist than live life as a god-fearing crazy person. Seriously, some of these christians I know are ridiculuous. It just seems like a silly way to live.

Of course, not all theists are crazy. I know a few who try and make it a good thing and they aren't extremem or anything, they're very nice people. The amount of extremists kind of give the whole institution a bad reputation. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, you know?

Sure seems true. But you also live in the bible belt... Americans seem to have an entirely different take on Jesus. It's truly an odd phenomenon, probably has something to do with too many guns and football, not enough sensible education.

I am with you though. The pursuit of pleasure is maybe the only point to our existing if you ask me - it's far more self-evident than any prohibitive God or Devil, not to mention a hell of a lot more fun. We're just animals, and one day you will cease to exist as you know yourself - this seems as inevitable as day and night to me, and it's why people's moral and social justifications shall probably always fall short of their reach.

forget religion and targeting it. those few points i listed before are arguments that need to be resolved for evolutions purpose. This guy schroeder gives a good case, and i don't see any articles going against his stance. Although everything that is his idea is not referenced.

He gives points about evolution which there are unknowns and capitalizes on the arguments to say that there is an intelligent designer behind creation.

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