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Originally posted by DJ RANN It's not that they're popular. I went to see Carl Cox this weekend and it was nothing short of breathtaking - a real display of skill, musical integrity, energy and quality.

fuck me you must be easily impressed

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Originally posted by Fledz Well then you seem like the type of person who would blame anyone that's on top. Switch Tiesto with Gareth Emery and Armin with Ferry Corsten and you would most likely say the exact same things.

Ferry & Gareth are both respected dj's and producers. Two of the few whom are left.

You don't see them with 15 labels or being an arrogant twat like Tiesto do you?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I was actually poking fun earlier on in this thread about blaming Tiesto for anything/everything but on the point of "hating" (as I said I don't hate anyone mentioned) some have more deserve for negative feeling because of their actions. Personally, I do think a lot of things are wrong with the image of Trance/EDM and lot of that blame can be placed firmly on the like of Tiesto et al. It's not that they're popular. I went to see Carl Cox this weekend and it was nothing short of breathtaking - a real display of skill, musical integrity, energy and quality. And guess what? It was without all of the bullshit Jesus Poses, Making heart shapes with your hands in front the lazer, air-punching and self adoration that is the clear trademark of cheezemongers, tiesto especially. The other big part of this is that their personality itself. Tiesto, from various interviews, statements and live performances is so god damned arrogant and full of himself. Combine that with an endless stream of information about screwing people, having work done for him without crediting and plagiarism....well you get the point. For fucks sake, the guy sells a poster of himself Called "Tiesto: Cool" and a FUCKING KEYRING OF HIMSELF DOING THE FUCKING JESUS POSE Now Ferry - that's a differnt matter - yes, he sadly does the posing and all the rest of it, but he's a truly nice guy (having had the chance to speak to him briefly) and as far as i know he hasn't ripped anyone off and apart from (credited) engineers, he actually makes his own music. I still find his stuff rather cheesey but then that's personal taste. Deadmau5 - He's a good and talented guy getting thrown shit at him, partly because of his sometimes big and uncensored mouth and partly because a group of people (incl. some TA's) decided to go after him. So no, it's not about choosing people at the top and being negative - it's about who they are, how they conduct themselves and what they represent.

Roffl at the keychain!

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Originally posted by DJ RANN It was without all of the bullshit Jesus Poses, Making heart shapes with your hands in front the lazer, air-punching and self adoration that is the clear trademark of cheezemongers

See this is extremely sad. EXXXXTTTRRREEEMMMMEEELLLLYYY sad. What is it about showing someones love and passion for the music and DJing that annoys you so much?

Air-punching is bad? Christ on a bike. You may like your lifeless and dead DJs but I sure as hell don't. I much prefer it when the DJ feeds off the energy and really gets into it, instead of acts like a corpse behind the decks but "ooooohhh his mixing is perfect and he's not being a stuck up cock"

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Originally posted by Fledz See this is extremely sad. EXXXXTTTRRREEEMMMMEEELLLLYYY sad. What is it about showing someones love and passion for the music and DJing that annoys you so much? Air-punching is bad? Christ on a bike. You may like your lifeless and dead DJs but I sure as hell don't. I much prefer it when the DJ feeds off the energy and really gets into it, instead of acts like a corpse behind the decks but "ooooohhh his mixing is perfect and he's not being a stuck up cock"

You like the stuck up cocks?

Who cares what DJ Dildo is doing in the both if the music is good and the dancefloor is alive. I still don't understand why people insist the DJ must be the most entertaining dancing monkey in the whole club.

No I don't really care for them but I do enjoy it when the DJ gets into it and just adds even more to the energy. The best sets I've heard have been the ones where the crowd and the DJ were loving it and everyone was very motivated.

I think the DJ needs to be an entertainer. It does feed the energy of the crowd. It's the same as with bands - if they just stand on stage and look at their instruments and play a good solid set of music, it feels totally different for the audience than if the band is going nuts onstage and really getting into it.

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Originally posted by Fledz No I don't really care for them but I do enjoy it when the DJ gets into it and just adds even more to the energy. The best sets I've heard have been the ones where the crowd and the DJ were loving it and everyone was very motivated.

Exactly - that's why I brought up carl cox.

you really don't know what you're talking about (or at least Dj of other genre's) if you think Cox "acts like a corpse". He's one of the more animated Djs I've seen and his crowd interaction is what makes him DJ so well - he reads and reacts as well

What i hate is the bullshit jesus posing and the rest of it that Trance "superstars" seems to have a inability to to avoid. It's just so lame and childish, especially as they KNOW the stigma of it (as they do - remember these are guys in their late 30's/early 40s in most cases, not kids Dj'ing for the first time).

If you think every time they jesus pose it's "energy" and "being in to it" you can keep it - I see it for what it is; self adoration and the mockery of the paying crowd. I just think "suckers" everytime I see the crowd reacting to such turd.

It's just lame.

I would prefer to see a DJ that plays great music mixes well than one that pounds out formulaic trance while grandstanding.

I agree with beatflux that it doesn't always matter about e Dj performance - sasha does nothing behind the decks most times apart from concentrate the music and smile ever so often.

I suppose the vibe is shit at a sasha gig becuase he's not fisting the air and announcing through mime the messiah has returned?

Quote me where I said Cox was a lifeless corpse, go ahead.

You're missing the point and it's quite funny that all the ones you hate are trance DJs and the ones you don't aren't trance DJs. I think your hate has more to do with the music rather than the DJs but I doubt we'll get that admission from you anytime soon.

The problem with this thread is it seems like 90% of the evidence against Tiesto has to do with his personality or ethics.

The guys job is to entertain, not just play music, he could put his hands up his ass for all I care, he can piss on the crowd and laugh, it should still be about the music.

And if you don't like his music, don't buy it. But the endless wragging on the man only ADDS to his fame in the long run, so as much as you may despise him, you're really just doing him a favor.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Now Ferry - that's a differnt matter - yes, he sadly does the posing and all the rest of it, but he's a truly nice guy (having had the chance to speak to him briefly) and as far as i know he hasn't ripped anyone off and apart from (credited) engineers, he actually makes his own music. I still find his stuff rather cheesey but then that's personal taste.

I agree. He was here recently and I managed to get through about 6 minutes of his set without running back to the techno room, but there is no denying the positive contribution he's made to the genre and the scene in general, both recently and in and before the golden years.

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Originally posted by Fledz I much prefer it when the DJ feeds off the energy and really gets into it, instead of acts like a corpse behind the decks

Fuck that. This is a club we're talking about. The people who make it a party are the ones out there on the dancefloor, us. Even if the DJ is sincerely having a great time, and you have absolutely no idea whether he really is or if he's just acting or getting off on his own image, even then, every second some partygoer spends trainspotting or staring at the DJ takes away from the party just a little bit.

This attitude seems to be endemic to trance - oh, a great party is one where everybody faces the DJ and waves their hands/fists in the air and jumps around and gets lost in their own little world and the DJ reciprocates and there's so much energy in the room. Again, fuck that. A great party is one where people are happy but still social, where you can go meet and hang out with cool people, bust out your best or stupidest dance moves and see other people doing the same, where the sweat is pouring off the ceiling pipes and you just don't care anymore, when you really want a cold beverage but don't want to risk losing your spot or losing track of your friends, where you can get completely shit-faced (or whatever your poison is) and not feel the least bit guilty about it after looking at all the other sketchbags, and then find some sweet piece of ass to take into the women's bathroom and do lines of coke off of. OK, maybe you don't need that last one, but you get the idea.

Trance crackers wouldn't know a great party if it bit them square on the ass and started gnawing chunks off. Always fixated on the DJ, what's he playing, what's he doing, not a clue in the world as to what's actually happening around them. I'll take a lifeless DJ over a lifeless crowd any day. Standing in a sea of robotic arms attached to telephone poles is not my idea of a good time.

This is why women don't like trance as commonly as guys do. When women go out to dance, they usually want to dance, not stand around watching the DJ dance.

Well trance does have a different crowd I will admit that, but personally for me a combination of the DJ having fun and the crowd having fun is what makes the perfect atmosphere.

At the end of the day it's all about the music but everything else can add to the experience of it all.

Hence why liking different styles of music is good because you get a different experience each time
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some people like that? Just because you don't doesn't mean that others don't.

When I got see a trance DJ, I like the hands in the air, facing the DJ, jumping as one aspect of it.
When I go see a house DJ, I like dancing more with people around me rather than facing the DJ.
When I got to a live music concert, I like the different experience.

Some of you need to stop with the fucking "me me me, it's all about me" waaaaambulance bullshit. Cry us a fucking river if you don't like it, just stop acting superior as if your way is always the right way.

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Originally posted by Fledz Quote me where I said Cox was a lifeless corpse, go ahead. You're missing the point and it's quite funny that all the ones you hate are trance DJs and the ones you don't aren't trance DJs. I think your hate has more to do with the music rather than the DJs but I doubt we'll get that admission from you anytime soon.

Firstly, remember - I don't hate them at all. I just think they're lame, childish and arrogant - and they know it as well as I do.

Also, I didn't say you did say that, just that I brought up carl cox and your next post suggested that I prefer "corpse" Dj's etc. That's why. Maybe you were responding to someone else.

In general, I find trance in a sorry state these days - I was clubbing through the mid/late 90's so my point of reference makes today's scene for the most part, a sorry shadow. There are some I really like, but most were actually around in that early period and seeing them now just stinks of cashing in.

Mainly, because of that, I'm in to prog/tech/house but still really like the few quality trance productions I hear every so often.

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Originally posted by Fledz See this is extremely sad. EXXXXTTTRRREEEMMMMEEELLLLYYY sad. What is it about showing someones love and passion for the music and DJing that annoys you so much? Air-punching is bad? Christ on a bike. You may like your lifeless and dead DJs but I sure as hell don't. I much prefer it when the DJ feeds off the energy and really gets into it, instead of acts like a corpse behind the decks but "ooooohhh his mixing is perfect and he's not being a stuck up cock"

You think grown men should be making hearts out of their fingers and acting like they're doing something special by doing their JOB? Have fun at it seriously. I have seen guys like Donald Glaude several times and dude is non stop energy. But you don't see his ass throwing up hearts to the fans.

However, I guess when you play pussy ass shit in a club atmosphere that's just who you are. I now understand why everyone that digs other genres hates trance. Because it's sickening to watch. The dj shouldn't be some celebrity. He should be dancing and enjoying the atmosphere and attempting to entertain the crowd but be your fucking self man. If we just abolished the dj mag poll I'd be willing to bet 75% of this would stop. Know why? It's all fucking posers. People like Tiesto that either he can't spin or chooses to deceive people by throwing a cd in a cdj and just pressing play for his set. People like Armin that play pussy ass angel trance and release 800 tracks a year. Some of these guys I respect as businessmen but that's just about it.

The reason you see them all playing to the crowd and shit and doing the hearts and shit is because this entire genre is run by children. The top spots in the dj mag poll basically decide everything and you know who decides those top spots? The children; many of them from the us. The only people young children in the US ever hear about is the guys at the top. I didn't even know who Ferry was until I got into dance music. Growing up it was Tiesto, AVB and PVD. Nobody else existed to children in the us.

This is what is fucking sad. An industry of grown men making supposed club/dance music playing angellic ass shit that should never even be played in that environment. Play it in your radio sets fine; but when you're playing in front of people and supposed to make them dance do you think it makes sense to chain 3 2 minute long breakdowns together??? How are people supposed to dance to that? That's why you see people standing around with their hands in the air. On top of that you have guys making hearts to the crowd and doing jesus poses like they are important I can understand the hatred for our genre now. NOBODY gets it.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox The problem with this thread is it seems like 90% of the evidence against Tiesto has to do with his personality or ethics. The guys job is to entertain, not just play music, he could put his hands up his ass for all I care, he can piss on the crowd and laugh, it should still be about the music. And if you don't like his music, don't buy it. But the endless wragging on the man only ADDS to his fame in the long run, so as much as you may despise him, you're really just doing him a favor.

No, it definitely doesn't add to his fame. I have exposed him to many of my friends that aren't deep in the scene. Many of them have joined me and banned his music and his $65 concerts.

People don't enjoy posers. And when I make it and get big I will expose every fake posing twat that I know of and I'll probably get gunned down for doing so but I don't care. Better to die real, true, and happy than make a life and career off being fake.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I agree. He was here recently and I managed to get through about 6 minutes of his set without running back to the techno room, but there is no denying the positive contribution he's made to the genre and the scene in general, both recently and in and before the golden years. Fuck that. This is a club we're talking about. The people who make it a party are the ones out there on the dancefloor, us. Even if the DJ is sincerely having a great time, and you have absolutely no idea whether he really is or if he's just acting or getting off on his own image, even then, every second some partygoer spends trainspotting or staring at the DJ takes away from the party just a little bit. This attitude seems to be endemic to trance - oh, a great party is one where everybody faces the DJ and waves their hands/fists in the air and jumps around and gets lost in their own little world and the DJ reciprocates and there's so much energy in the room. Again, fuck that. A great party is one where people are happy but still social, where you can go meet and hang out with cool people, bust out your best or stupidest dance moves and see other people doing the same, where the sweat is pouring off the ceiling pipes and you just don't care anymore, when you really want a cold beverage but don't want to risk losing your spot or losing track of your friends, where you can get completely shit-faced (or whatever your poison is) and not feel the least bit guilty about it after looking at all the other sketchbags, and then find some sweet piece of ass to take into the women's bathroom and do lines of coke off of. OK, maybe you don't need that last one, but you get the idea. Trance crackers wouldn't know a great party if it bit them square on the ass and started gnawing chunks off. Always fixated on the DJ, what's he playing, what's he doing, not a clue in the world as to what's actually happening around them. I'll take a lifeless DJ over a lifeless crowd any day. Standing in a sea of robotic arms attached to telephone poles is not my idea of a good time. This is why women don't like trance as commonly as guys do. When women go out to dance, they usually want to dance, not stand around watching the DJ dance.

I still claim to the fact the best concert I've ever seen was Benny Benassi. He isn't the most talented dj or has the best music but dude brought it and it was all about the music. Was the wildest night of my whole life the club was going insane. Why? Because the dj wasn't claiming all of the attention. People were loving the sounds he was throwing down and could do nothing but get down and enjoy the thick scene and all the dance among all the fucking hot sexy people that were shitfaced out of their mind.

I think more of a problem than we'd like to admit is the energy level of these guys sets these days. Most don't know worth shit how to chain their tracks in order to get the maximum amount of energy out of them. If you're a headlining dj you should be bringing it maximal every single time.

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Originally posted by Fledz When I got see a trance DJ, I like the hands in the air, facing the DJ, jumping as one aspect of it.

984tnan;lskawph
*Bangs head against keyboard*

That's not really dancing, and if you are not dancing then you're missing the point of dance music entirely.

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Originally posted by Beatflux 984tnan;lskawph *Bangs head against keyboard* That's not really dancing, and if you are not dancing then you're missing the point of dance music entirely.

Of course I'm dancing for crying out loud, what do you think I'm doing? Chin-stroking and standing there for 6 hours with my hands in the air?
Well done on making me look like I'm a candy raver (which you're terrible at doing btw).

I enjoy different artists, different music, different genres, different events for different reasons unlike some of you jaded ****s who just complain, whine, bitch and moan if somethin isn't up to your standards.
So Digi likes what he likes? Great, I'm happy for him. I like that too but just not always. The difference between myself and some of you is that I can have fun in a multitude of different environments in multiple ways and that is what dance music and music in general is about. It's about having fun, not about having a cry about how "back in my day" and what you think is perfection.

Guess what? Your perfection is someone elses rubbish and vice versa. Deal with it, learn to live with it or become a jaded old fuck like the majority of posters in MD.

And shit, this looks like it belongs in the MD anyway. Why do we have to turn everything in this forum to shit?

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Originally posted by Fledz Of course I'm dancing for crying out loud, what do you think I'm doing? Chin-stroking and standing there for 6 hours with my hands in the air? Well done on making me look like I'm a candy raver (which you're terrible at doing btw). I enjoy different artists, different music, different genres, different events for different reasons unlike some of you jaded ****s who just complain, whine, bitch and moan if somethin isn't up to your standards. So Digi likes what he likes? Great, I'm happy for him. I like that too but just not always. The difference between myself and some of you is that I can have fun in a multitude of different environments in multiple ways and that is what dance music and music in general is about. It's about having fun, not about having a cry about how "back in my day" and what you think is perfection. Guess what? Your perfection is someone elses rubbish and vice versa. Deal with it, learn to live with it or become a jaded old fuck like the majority of posters in MD. And shit, this looks like it belongs in the MD anyway. Why do we have to turn everything in this forum to shit?

You have to understand most of us are in the business as artists or engineers or produce/dj. I think I speak for everyone here who has been bashing when I say that we don't like sell outs. Yes a lot of this is just personal distaste for people or morally or ethically founded opinions; but you have to admit, these clowns are some of the biggest sell outs there are. Take a look at this and tell me you don't agree.

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The 17 new original songs are a combination of collaborations and 5 instrumental Ti�sto tracks. The following artists: J�nsi of Sigur R�s, Kele Okereke of Bloc Party, Nelly Furtado, Calvin Harris, Tegan & Sara, Emily Haines of Metric, Kianna of Tilly & The Wall, Sneaky Sound System, Cary Brothers, CC Sheffield and Priscilla Ahn will be featured side by side with Ti�sto on 'Kaleidoscope'. TrackListing: 01. Ti�sto feat. J�nsi - Kaleidoscope 02. Ti�sto feat. CC Sheffield - Escape Me 03. Ti�sto feat. Kianna - You Are My Diamond 04. Ti�sto and Sneaky Sound System - I Will Be Here 05. Ti�sto feat. Priscilla Ahn - I Am Strong 06. Ti�sto feat. Cary Brothers - Here On Earth 07. Ti�sto - Always Near 08. Ti�sto feat. Kele Okereke - It's Not The Things You Say 09. Ti�sto - Fresh Fruit 10. Ti�sto feat. Calvin Harris - Century 11. Ti�sto feat. Tegan & Sara - Feel It In My Bones 12. Ti�sto feat. Nelly Furtado - Who Wants To Be Alone 13. Ti�sto - LA Ride 14. Ti�sto - Bend It Like You Don't Care 15. Ti�sto feat. Emily Haines - Knock You Out 16. Ti�sto - Louder Than Boom 17. Ti�sto - Surrounded By Light

Only 5 solo works; and this looks like his most commercial album yet. Dude seriously needs to gtfo! Just look at the vocalist names and it makes me lol.

And I seriously almost vomited/laughed into a heart attach when I saw he will be pimping/promoting this out for the next 3 FUCKING MONTHS BEFORE IT GETS RELEASED!!!! Who the hell promotes their album for 3 months?

And those fucking dots over the e make me want to commit suicide!!!

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Originally posted by DJ RANN you really don't know what you're talking about (or at least Dj of other genre's) if you think Cox "acts like a corpse". He's one of the more animated Djs I've seen and his crowd interaction is what makes him

Quoted for emphasis. Carl Cox is without question the most underrated DJ in history. People seem to forget he used to be voted the #1 DJ in the world by DJMag. If his style was more trendy, people would be all over him. Thankfully he's stuck to his roots and hasn't sold out even though he could have and made a ton of money in the process (along with notoriety) - Easily one of the most respected musicians in EDM. Have never heard a negative comment about him in the 11 years I've followed EDM and can say from personal experience he's beyond friendly. You wouldn't know he was headlining a gig or if he was running security for the back entrance if you happened to be wondering around back stage.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for pretty much every international "DJ"

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Originally posted by DigiNut I agree. He was here recently and I managed to get through about 6 minutes of his set without running back to the techno room, but there is no denying the positive contribution he's made to the genre and the scene in general, both recently and in and before the golden years. Fuck that. This is a club we're talking about. The people who make it a party are the ones out there on the dancefloor, us. Even if the DJ is sincerely having a great time, and you have absolutely no idea whether he really is or if he's just acting or getting off on his own image, even then, every second some partygoer spends trainspotting or staring at the DJ takes away from the party just a little bit. This attitude seems to be endemic to trance - oh, a great party is one where everybody faces the DJ and waves their hands/fists in the air and jumps around and gets lost in their own little world and the DJ reciprocates and there's so much energy in the room. Again, fuck that. A great party is one where people are happy but still social, where you can go meet and hang out with cool people, bust out your best or stupidest dance moves and see other people doing the same, where the sweat is pouring off the ceiling pipes and you just don't care anymore, when you really want a cold beverage but don't want to risk losing your spot or losing track of your friends, where you can get completely shit-faced (or whatever your poison is) and not feel the least bit guilty about it after looking at all the other sketchbags, and then find some sweet piece of ass to take into the women's bathroom and do lines of coke off of. OK, maybe you don't need that last one, but you get the idea. Trance crackers wouldn't know a great party if it bit them square on the ass and started gnawing chunks off. Always fixated on the DJ, what's he playing, what's he doing, not a clue in the world as to what's actually happening around them. I'll take a lifeless DJ over a lifeless crowd any day. Standing in a sea of robotic arms attached to telephone poles is not my idea of a good time. This is why women don't like trance as commonly as guys do. When women go out to dance, they usually want to dance, not stand around watching the DJ dance.

Wow

You couldn't be more correct in your assessment.

Post of the year.

The people I know that met Thijs said he was shy and very friendly actually. Anything but arrogant.

I've heard other things as well though. And honestly, if I could sell posters/merchandise with me or my logo on it, I would. I couldn't give a flying f* about a person's personality as long as I enjoy what they do. I havent really enjoyed Tiesto anymore after his first artist album though. Legendary stuff that album is.

Actually I think many amateur musicians are way more arrogant than your average superstar dj. Thinking those dj's actually care about their (and seemingly the only valid) opinion. There's a reason why they can afford (heck, probably even want) to do those poses. It's a pose, who cares, is it really worth to stress over? I think not. They make music, dj actively and are succesfull at it, yet some people think they know better. Judging from your activity over here instead of in the studio or on stage, you don't .

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You have to understand most of us are in the business as artists or engineers or produce/dj. I think I speak for everyone here who has been bashing when I say that we don't like sell outs. Yes a lot of this is just personal distaste for people or morally or ethically founded opinions; but you have to admit, these clowns are some of the biggest sell outs there are. Take a look at this and tell me you don't agree.

I do understand that but you guys tend to get wound up about this way too much and let emotion drive your thoughts rather than rational thinking.
I'm not the biggest fan of Tiesto, Armin etc either but I respect what they did and am sure they cop far too much slack. A lot of negativity towards them is not deserved.

As for the songs above, well it doesn't bother me that much. You may hate it but chances are the tracks will make someone else smile and have fun so they will be a success in some way at least. Will it really affect your life that much once they are released?
It's just music man, relax.

Storyteller - I too have heard largely positive thoughts about Tijs from people who have actually met him too and find that a lot of negativity about him and the like is quite often just tall poppy syndrome. People don't like him because he's successful and because he no longer fits into their perfect vision of him. Plus he's associated with trance which just exacerbates things. Then it becomes like talking to creationists about evolution. Emotion takes over logical thinking.

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Originally posted by DigiNut A great party is one where people are happy but still social, where you can go meet and hang out with cool people, bust out your best or stupidest dance moves and see other people doing the same, where the sweat is pouring off the ceiling pipes and you just don't care anymore, when you really want a cold beverage but don't want to risk losing your spot or losing track of your friends, where you can get completely shit-faced (or whatever your poison is) and not feel the least bit guilty about it after looking at all the other sketchbags, and then find some sweet piece of ass to take into the women's bathroom and do lines of coke off of. OK, maybe you don't need that last one, but you get the idea.

OMG YES

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Quoted for emphasis. Carl Cox is without question the most underrated DJ in history. People seem to forget he used to be voted the #1 DJ in the world by DJMag. If his style was more trendy, people would be all over him. Thankfully he's stuck to his roots and hasn't sold out even though he could have and made a ton of money in the process (along with notoriety) - Easily one of the most respected musicians in EDM. Have never heard a negative comment about him in the 11 years I've followed EDM and can say from personal experience he's beyond friendly. You wouldn't know he was headlining a gig or if he was running security for the back entrance if you happened to be wondering around back stage. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for pretty much every international "DJ"

In all honesty i dont know how you can say hes the most underrated dj in history. Sure probably one of his greatest legacys was setting up Intec but then some years later he signs "Just Kick" that horrible Tim Deluxe track over the top of one of the biggest techno records Pontape, to me thats selling out

Hes washed up now, living off past glories, and his incessant babbling on the mic used to make me cringe the few times i saw him

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