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Originally posted by activate um.. believe it or not, I happen to know Afrika Bambaataa. I've brought him to Toronto 3 times and done 3 Canadian tours with him... driving across Ontario and Quebec. The stories he has are amazing! Planet Rock sampled Kraftwerk "trans-europe express". Planet Rock is most definitely not dance music.. The Hip Hop movement then was about dancing and b-boying.. still doesn't make in dance music in the sense the way that you know it. Planet rock is most definitely hip hop. Hip hop in those days didn't have a specific sound. it borrowed from elements of funk, disco, rock among other genres. What people consider urban music now, didn't even exist in 1982. Planet Rock spawned electro funk, miami bass, freestyle among other genres, not to mention pushing hip hop into the mainstream.

Planet Rock also samples from another Kraftwerk track,"Numbers".




Such an awesome tune

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Originally posted by ***** Post proof someone has sampled Trance music & put it with hip hop rnb or funk b4 me

Ah, changing your argument now, eh? First it was "EDM", now it's specifically trance music. The thread was about electronic music in general, not trance specifically.

Anyway, you're still wrong.

Trance didn't even really exist before the mid-'90s so obviously it's impossible to find Ferry-style tracks from that era with booty lyrics or beats. But before old-school dance/party music splintered off into Euro and Trance sects, it incorporated a shitload of both hip hop elements and elements that would later be incorporated into trance:



Or how about one that sounds suspiciously like trance - pure 4/4 beat, offbeat bassline, standard classical chord progression, and yet somehow manages to be full of rap lyrics AND hints of disco:




And on the other side of the fence, more recent R&B/Hip-Hop with trance elements (actual mashup):




Lots of tracks back then even incorporated reggae elements... but I'll spare you those because they're even cheesier than the old school pre-euro dance.

As for funk, well, house WAS funk in the beginning, and there was very little differentiation between trance and house in the early '90s. I was going say "Rhythm is a Dancer", but I'm sure you'll find something wrong with that example, so how about something more recent:




Honestly, listen to just about ANY dance music from the 1990s, almost every track is clearly influenced by disco, funk, or hip hop. Especially hip hop - rap music was such a crazy fad in the '90s that it was incorporated into almost everything. The divergences of trance/euro from those genres is actually a new phenomenon - so if anything, what you're trying to do is more retro than progressive.

You can't win this, so don't even try.

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Originally posted by Invasionmix Dude, you talk so much shit and when we all told you that CroAddict was ***** you almost shit yourself and your face was priceless. Ask anyone at that hookah night. You're the coward.

lol

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Originally posted by Invasionmix Dude, you talk so much shit and when we all told you that CroAddict was ***** you almost shit yourself and your face was priceless. Ask anyone at that hookah night. You're the coward.

Ya cause Cro-addict is like 6 foot 6 and build like a shit brickhouse. you would shit yourself too. and do you see me not coming to events or posting information about myself. whatever talking to you is useless. your posting is soley to just try and piss me off. Frankly im too busy to care anymore vince.

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Originally posted by ***** I always knew Tiesto was your guys hero I understand why Vertigo thinks we have reached the musical peak since hes from the Netherlands This is like Dutch music history

Wow. You really must be extremely mentally deficient to miss the obvious sarcasm there. Which, in turn, renders you an even bigger joke.

All hail the retarded cat rapist. The feline Boltok. The gerbil rumper. The kitten pumper...

*****


Really. What the hell is wrong with you? (other than clearly being a special education failure)



So, what's next? Are you going to claim to have invented the internet? (Al Gore beat you to that one by the way) Perhaps you will claim to have been the pioneer of the blackberry. Oh hey, I know, why don't you try to lay claim to being the first person to come up with the idea of cheese. I'm sure everyone will believe that!

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Originally posted by ***** I always knew Tiesto was your guys hero I understand why Vertigo thinks we have reached the musical peak since hes from the Netherlands This is like Dutch music history

you see? its comments like these that you know will spark contreversy b/c you KNOW there are a lot of ppl on here that would disagree with your assumptions, especially since nobody knows you personally.

I would go as far to say that your posts always seem to railway conversations revolving around your theories and opinions, while EVERYONE else tries to disprove them. The fact that you have no profile pic, no known attendance to either EDM or TA social events, and put an abundent amount of effert into keeping your real identity anonymous, can be very intimidating and quite annoying. That coupled with the fact that there a number of threads in the past few weeks that you have completely taken over with your comments.

I'm trying to be as nice as I possibly can be because truthfully your posts have an uncanny ability to frustrate me, and I'm assuming a number of other people. But I don't want to come off as an asshole at the same time. But dude seriously, maybe your social skills are just poor, maybe you get a kick from all this, I don't know. But if you really want ppl to stop bashing you and making fun of you, try being involved in a conversation without trying to direct it.

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Originally posted by Sentinal But I don't want to come off as an asshole...

Well I do.

***** please be sure to fuck off as promptly, quietly, and permanently as is humanly possible with the boundaries of physics.

You are truly a waste of skin, food, water, oxygen, and space in terms of the collective frame of reference of nearly all on this forum. I sincerely hope that you either stop posting or that some sort of horrible affliction befalls your ability to operate any form of interface with this board. Just in case you haven't clued in yet (which would be ridiculously unlikely that you actually have), you are a joke here, nearly no one (I would say nobody but I haven't checked with everyone yet) wants to hear any of the crap you have to say, the pathetic attempts you call music, or interact with anything else that originates any any point in any way with you.

As for your pet raping, I have contacted the appropriate authorities. They assured me that they will attempt to track you down.

You really do sicken me to my very core.

lol.. woke up, read this thread, and now goign back to bed cuz my head hurts

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Originally posted by MarkT one song, that's it?

I have posted exactly 33 songs on this board I believe 1 sampler last year & more finished stuff if people still have them on here you can get them

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Originally posted by MarkT so it's just more talk...as predicted. why would anyone here pay for your work when there is an endless supply of high quality music a few mouse clicks away for free or for a very low cost.

Im not trying to sell you or make you purchase my music thats what other people are doing im trying to do something else

I agree there is a endless supply of music at low cost or free

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Originally posted by MarkT all I'm saying is perhaps you'd be taken seriously here if you actually provide more example of your 'pioneering' work instead of just replying to pretty much every post about you with what amounts to "trust me"

To the best of my knowledge no one is trying to do what I do or has got as far as I have

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Originally posted by DigiNut Ah, changing your argument now, eh? First it was "EDM", now it's specifically trance music. The thread was about electronic music in general, not trance specifically.

I always said Trance, I have already stated that edm has been sampled b4 never trance

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Originally posted by DigiNut Trance didn't even really exist before the mid-'90s so obviously it's impossible to find Ferry-style tracks from that era with booty lyrics or beats. .

why add booty lyrics or beats? i guess you havent listened to any music i posted because this stuff you are posting is like nothing like my stuff at all

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Originally posted by DigiNut But before old-school dance/party music splintered off into Euro and Trance sects, it incorporated a shitload of both hip hop elements and elements that would later be incorporated into trance:.

I disagree Trance is its own style & i believe grew another way

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Originally posted by DigiNut Or how about one that sounds suspiciously like trance - pure 4/4 beat, offbeat bassline, standard classical chord progression, and yet somehow manages to be full of rap lyrics AND hints of disco:.

sounds more like techno 2 unlimited or cheesy euro than trance

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Originally posted by DigiNut And on the other side of the fence, more recent R&B/Hip-Hop with trance elements (actual mashup)

how can you call any of the vids you posted Trance or hip hop or dare to even compare them to my stuff that stuff you posted sounds like something dj sammie might make

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Originally posted by DigiNut Lots of tracks back then even incorporated reggae elements... but I'll spare you those because they're even cheesier than the old school pre-euro dance.)

I incorporate reggae as well but i stay away from the cheese again these songs are euro or techno not hip hop or trance imo

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Originally posted by DigiNut As for funk, well, house WAS funk in the beginning, and there was very little differentiation between trance and house in the early '90s. I was going say "Rhythm is a Dancer", but I'm sure you'll find something wrong with that example, so how about something more recent: Honestly, listen to just about ANY dance music from the 1990s, almost every track is clearly influenced by disco, funk, or hip hop. Especially hip hop - rap music was such a crazy fad in the '90s that it was incorporated into almost everything.

except for 1 style of music called Trance it went on its own path & did something different , the stuff you have posted is like dance/techno/euro from the late 80s early 90s (2 unlimited culture beat) but its not Trance. Trance has its own history that I believe starts with Kraftwerk

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Originally posted by Sentinal you see? its comments like these that you know will spark contreversy b/c you KNOW there are a lot of ppl on here that would disagree with your assumptions, especially since nobody knows you personally.

the dutch music history comment is not a joke im actually very serious about that part, the Tiesto comment is funny because TA always make fun of him

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Originally posted by Sentinal I would go as far to say that your posts always seem to railway conversations revolving around your theories and opinions, while EVERYONE else tries to disprove them. The fact that you have no profile pic, no known attendance to either EDM or TA social events, and put an abundent amount of effert into keeping your real identity anonymous, can be very intimidating and quite annoying. That coupled with the fact that there a number of threads in the past few weeks that you have completely taken over with your comments.

Everyone does try to disprove them, no one has succeed yet

Mystery always makes things more interesting If I did go to A event i wouldnt tell you guys Id just come I could be anyone dancing to the music having a bottle of water etc.

I told you im not intimadating at all

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Originally posted by ***** why add booty lyrics or beats? i guess you havent listened to any music i posted because this stuff you are posting is like nothing like my stuff at all

Yes, you're right, it sounds nothing like your stuff. These people were actually good at it. Retard.

That's what it all comes down to, in the end. "Oh, your example doesn't count, because it doesn't sound exactly the same as my piece of shit!" There's a reason for that dude, think about it.

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except for 1 style of music called Trance it went on its own path & did something different , the stuff you have posted is like dance/techno/euro from the late 80s early 90s (2 unlimited culture beat) but its not Trance. Trance has its own history that I believe starts with Kraftwerk

This is trance's history. Just because your whole argument depends on the premise that trance has some ancient and unique history completely independent of any other electronic or dance music doesn't make it any less of a false premise. Yes, those tracks are absolutely dance/euro from the early '90s - that's the point, this was the scene 15-20 years ago. What planet are you from?

Kraftwerk had nothing to do with trance. Old-school techno and electro were the most closely-related to their pioneering work (and Kraftwerk weren't even the first).

Trance evolved out of all of that cheesy dance music in the '90s. The trance producers said hey, let's take the energy and the synth work and the rhythms from this cheese and make something more minimal and tribal sounding, kinda like that techno stuff we've been hearing for the past several years. That was how it started. Modern trance is virtually identical to that old cheese in rhythm, form, and harmony, but over a period of 15 years it became a little more subdued, refined, formulaic, and the old cheese got replaced with new cheese (superstrings and supersaws and white noise). Anybody who isn't a complete moron can clearly hear the similarities.


Basically every defense you've posted in here amounts to either (a) that's not urban or (b) that's not trance. My answer to (a) is, you yourself define "urban" as "black", and I think the videos speak for themselves. And as for (b), they are only not trance if you limit your definition of "trance" to music that was produced in the past decade - which really isn't a long enough period for you to consider yourself a "pioneer" as opposed to just "living in the past."



P.S.

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Originally posted by The Ear ***** please be sure to fuck off as promptly, quietly, and permanently as is humanly possible with the boundaries of physics.

Well put.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Yes, you're right, it sounds nothing like your stuff. These people were actually good at it. Retard.That's what it all comes down to, in the end. "Oh, your example doesn't count, because it doesn't sound exactly the same as my piece of shit!" There's a reason for that dude, think about it.

if you think thats good we have differnet taste in music for sure, the songs you posted are all Dj Sammie status imo they dont sound anything like Trance at all the only thing remotely Trance they have is a electronic synth

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Originally posted by DigiNut This is trance's history. Just because your whole argument depends on the premise that trance has some ancient and unique history completely independent of any other electronic or dance music doesn't make it any less of a false premise. Yes, those tracks are absolutely dance/euro from the early '90s - that's the point, this was the scene 15-20 years ago. What planet are you from?]

that was the dance scene not Trance theres a difference

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Originally posted by DigiNut Kraftwerk had nothing to do with trance. Old-school techno and electro were the most closely-related to their pioneering work (and Kraftwerk weren't even the first).?]

I think your wrong dude if you listen to there music you will notice the beginnings of electronic Trance music (melody repetiton minimal vocals complex simplicity )

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Originally posted by DigiNut Trance evolved out of all of that cheesy dance music in the '90s. The trance producers said hey, let's take the energy and the synth work and the rhythms from this cheese and make something more minimal and tribal sounding, kinda like that techno stuff we've been hearing for the past several years. That was how it started. Modern trance is virtually identical to that old cheese in rhythm, form, and harmony, but over a period of 15 years it became a little more subdued, refined, formulaic, and the old cheese got replaced with new cheese (superstrings and supersaws and white noise). Anybody who isn't a complete moron can clearly hear the similarities.).?]

Trance was the counter culture to the cheesy dance music imo
Dance music stole/inc elements of the original early Trance music the originators took it back & made it something different something dance/euro could not do. Modern Trance(as in the Trance recently being made now) is like cheesy dance/euro thats why its losing popularity its not the real "Trance" music anymore

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Originally posted by DigiNut Basically every defense you've posted in here amounts to either (a) that's not urban or (b) that's not trance. My answer to (a) is, you yourself define "urban" as "black", and I think the videos speak for themselves. And as for (b), they are only not trance if you limit your definition of "trance" to music that was produced in the past decade - which really isn't a long enough period for you to consider yourself a "pioneer" as opposed to just "living in the past."

I define myself as ***** someone who lives in Canada & loves music from all over the world all genres, the songs you posted are not Trance at all imo they are like cheesy euro or cheesy techno songs American style thats all. Trance has its own elements heres 2 songs that I feel are early Trance songs

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Originally posted by The Ear Well I do. ***** please be sure to fuck off as promptly, quietly, and permanently as is humanly possible with the boundaries of physics. You are truly a waste of skin, food, water, oxygen, and space in terms of the collective frame of reference of nearly all on this forum. I sincerely hope that you either stop posting or that some sort of horrible affliction befalls your ability to operate any form of interface with this board. Just in case you haven't clued in yet (which would be ridiculously unlikely that you actually have), you are a joke here, nearly no one (I would say nobody but I haven't checked with everyone yet) wants to hear any of the crap you have to say, the pathetic attempts you call music, or interact with anything else that originates any any point in any way with you. As for your pet raping, I have contacted the appropriate authorities. They assured me that they will attempt to track you down. You really do sicken me to my very core.

yup ... you are right ....so please fuck off nick t .....


honestly there is no point replying or being nice to him ... its a waste ....

i say just ignore ...

I'll pay to have his fuckin IP permanently blocked from this site. Anyone else want to get a collection fund going?

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Originally posted by The Ear I'll pay to have his fuckin IP permanently blocked from this site. Anyone else want to get a collection fund going?

IN

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Originally posted by The Ear I'll pay to have his fuckin IP permanently blocked from this site. Anyone else want to get a collection fund going?

+1

*****...you're posts are getting really fucking annoying!!!

the truth annoys people sometimes, if you guys want just pay me to leave build a fund & let me know when you get to the magic number if you pay me enough ill leave & even show my face

lol the truth? what the fuck r u talking about?

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Originally posted by ***** the truth annoys people sometimes, if you guys want just pay me to leave build a fund & let me know when you get to the magic number if you pay me enough ill leave & even show my face

Or we could not give you the money .. block your IP ... you get nothing .... and we win ....

that is all ...

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Originally posted by Geoffb3

Who are you guys going to make fun of then?

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Originally posted by T_ALI lol the truth? what the fuck r u talking about?

nothing I guess you havent been paying attention

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Originally posted by ***** Who are you guys going to make fun of then?

We don't need anyone to make fun of. You really do piss people off that much with your false truths, which are therefore by definition, lies.


So, I wonder how much it'll cost to get the mods to permanently block your IP. B/c there is no way in hell that I'll give ***** a bloody penny.

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Originally posted by The Ear We don't need anyone to make fun of. You really do piss people off that much with your false truths, which are therefore by definition, lies.

you have not proved anything I have said to be false yet I have discredited almost everything you have said

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Originally posted by ***** you have not proved anything I have said to be false yet I have discredited almost everything you have said

ugh



lol ... waits

***** as a teenager.....

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Originally posted by ***** you have not proved anything I have said to be false yet I have discredited almost everything you have said

Bahahaha. When have you successfully discredited anything I've said?

Jebus, you truely are worth less than a dead cockroach. You poor pathetic fool. Your inability to forumlate even the most basic response that indicates any form of rudimentary human comprehension is astounding. It is clear that your abilities of carrying on a basic conversation, let alone arriving at a reasoned and calculated retort in an actual logical argument, is tantamount to to watching a tick attempt to successfully mount the highest peak in the Himalayas.

But to put it in a language more familar to you, a dog attempting to hump the wheel of a moving bus has a better chance of succeeding than you do at proving me, or even a 3 year old with Downs Syndrome, wrong.

Felcher.

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Originally posted by The Ear Bahahaha. When have you successfully discredited anything I've said?

I was talking more in regards to the music

you talk about hurting animals & other crazy stuff involving animals im sorry but thats kind of weird.

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