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Originally posted by owien yes it's all about using time wisely i agree and i now also see why people may say sound design is not really a important part of it. i;m not trying to forse people here to do that. their are many areas of music producthion as you stated above witch are just a improtant true enough. bottom line is i'm not affraid to make tunes that are differnt to everybody else even if they dont get it or its a we bit under par where quatly is concerned

why would you want to make sub-par tunes, just because they are different???

i found this piece a few days ago whilst on kvr - interesting read link

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Originally posted by evo8 why would you want to make sub-par tunes, just because they are different??? i found this piece a few days ago whilst on kvr - interesting read link

it's a fair point for sure but when i say i wish to do something orignal i simply mean i'm prepared to stop and try and do something less obvious.

if i feal the track deserves a weird glitch noise then i will make it in a way that's fitting but with a twist.

and no i dont want to make sub-par tracks just because it like wow so different to any other track.

i just simply meen i will not worry to much if its not like super sqeeky clean.
thats what logic is for lol

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Originally posted by owien well you got one over me then i guess. and to address your point about m.i.k.e the reason his sound is down to pat is because he spent time on creating it witch is my hole fuckin point.

Except you fail to understand he does use samples. Some people just like to be different. I heard a few days ago he doesn't even use reverb it's all delays. To each their own; but don't force it down our throats just because you feel it's the way to go.

Especially when you have no product to back it up and admit that you're struggling to finish things and have contemplated quitting because of the difficulty of what you're speaking about.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Except you fail to understand he does use samples. Some people just like to be different. I heard a few days ago he doesn't even use reverb it's all delays. To each their own; but don't force it down our throats just because you feel it's the way to go. Especially when you have no product to back it up and admit that you're struggling to finish things and have contemplated quitting because of the difficulty of what you're speaking about.

i have not at any stage forced my way of thinking on to you or anybody.

if you are happy to let your producthions fall into the genreic field then thats fine.
and thev only reason this thred has gone so long is because i pointed out that in most cases if you make all your own parts or a good 90% of them allows better controll over what you do.

i know plenty of producers who bang out tracks use sample packs to get where they want to be. and thats fine but the sad fact is no one will realy care.

i just dont want my work to fall into that box and i bet most if honest wouldn't either.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by owien
if you are happy to let your producthions fall into the genreic field then thats fine.
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Owien, the reason this thread goes on and on is because amongst your viewpoint of creating everything yourself, you say the odd daft comment like the one above which is of no relation.

Using samples does not mean a track is likely to sound more generic.

If I used all drum samples and you created your own, do you think anyone would know who used what. Do you actually think my drum loop would sound more generic than yours, that your hi hats would somehow sound original, where as mine overused?

For your leads, I use a preset, you create your own. Do you think that by default my lead will sound generic, where as yours innovating?

USING SAMPLES AND PRESETS DOES NOT MAKE A TRACK SOUND MORE GENERIC THAN ONE CREATED ALL FROM SCRATCH!!

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Originally posted by G-Con [QUOTE]Originally posted by owien if you are happy to let your producthions fall into the genreic field then thats fine. QUOTE] Owien, the reason this thread goes on and on is because amongst your viewpoint of creating everything yourself, you say the odd daft comment like the one above which is of no relation. Using samples does not mean a track is likely to sound more generic. If I used all drum samples and you created your own, do you think anyone would know who used what. Do you actually think my drum loop would sound more generic than yours, that your hi hats would somehow sound original, where as mine overused? For your leads, I use a preset, you create your own. Do you think that by default my lead will sound generic, where as yours innovating? USING SAMPLES AND PRESETS DOES NOT MAKE A TRACK SOUND MORE GENERIC THAN ONE CREATED ALL FROM SCRATCH!!

so if you made a riff made up of a preset from sylenth you meen to tell me this is not going to sound any different compaared to one that's made not using a preset. or one swiped from vengence?

please be real for one seconed if everybody is using the same sample packs,presets then how on gods earth is this not genric?

is it any wonder why edm is so stale

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Originally posted by owien so if you made a riff made up of a preset from sylenth you meen to tell me this is not going to sound any different compaared to one that's made not using a preset. or one swiped from vengence? please be real for one seconed if everybody is using the same sample packs,presets then how on gods earth is this not genric? is it any wonder why edm is so stale

You are missing the point. You could spend hours creating a lead sound from scratch. I could load up a preset. By chance they could sound near identical because chances are, whatever sound you create already exists in numerous presets for numerous synths.

Or another senario, you might make a sound from scratch which some people hear and believe it to be a preset they recognise. I use a preset, change the filter cutoff, nothing else, and not one person recognises that sound as a preset.

Presets can sound original and not generic. Your own sounds could well sound very generic and unoriginal.

I actually rarely use presets myself anyway, not because I believe my sounds will be original on my own, but purely because I cant be arsed to trawl through countless presets looking for THAT sound.

However not one sound I have made has sounded any more original than many presets I have heard. They still sound good though. Likewise, when I do trawl through presets I hear many that are inspirational and like nothing I've heard before.

I'll say it one more time - THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN ORIGINALITY/GENERIC-NESS AND WHETHER A SOUND USED WAS MADE FROM SCRATCH OR NOT

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Originally posted by owien so if you made a riff made up of a preset from sylenth you meen to tell me this is not going to sound any different compaared to one that's made not using a preset. or one swiped from vengence? please be real for one seconed if everybody is using the same sample packs,presets then how on gods earth is this not genric? is it any wonder why edm is so stale

Do you really think edm is stale because people arent making their own kicks and hi-hats?
Dont you think its more to do with a lack of creativity, new ideas etc???

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Originally posted by G-Con I'll say it one more time - THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN ORIGINALITY/GENERIC-NESS AND WHETHER A SOUND USED WAS MADE FROM SCRATCH OR NOT

sorrry but i dont agree with you on this every genre has set ways/formats that people can reconise and relate in edm.

trance is trance because people who make it in most cases stick to the same shit over and over.


why? because they dont want to take the chance on anything really new.

if you make something different and its worth listening to then why stick to the same recycle shit over and over?


and i'm sorry but to build a track completly from sample packs and presets is not going to set you apart from the pack end off.

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Originally posted by evo8 Do you really think edm is stale because people arent making their own kicks and hi-hats? Dont you think its more to do with a lack of creativity, new ideas etc???

well no i'm not making a ponit on how a hi hat/kick swiped is leading us to a sorry state off affairs in edm.

im saying people are just to happy with banging shit together from sounds they never made.

and to be fair any muppet can do that

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Originally posted by owien so if you made a riff made up of a preset from sylenth you meen to tell me this is not going to sound any different compaared to one that's made not using a preset. or one swiped from vengence? please be real for one seconed if everybody is using the same sample packs,presets then how on gods earth is this not genric? is it any wonder why edm is so stale

Because it's not the sounds used but the combination/arrangement/engineering of them that makes tracks stand out.

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Originally posted by owien sorrry but i dont agree with you on this every genre has set ways/formats that people can reconise and relate in edm. trance is trance because people who make it in most cases stick to the same shit over and over. why? because they dont want to take the chance on anything really new. if you make something different and its worth listening to then why stick to the same recycle shit over and over? and i'm sorry but to build a track completly from sample packs and presets is not going to set you apart from the pack end off.

You wreak of ignorance with this statement. How can you even say this after you admitted you haven't even got a comparable product done by your methodology yet?

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Originally posted by owien im saying people are just to happy with banging shit together from sounds they never made. and to be fair any muppet can do that

Example?

Owien, the amount of tracks made throughout history that are made totally from scratch is about 0.00001% close to non existent.

A musician is presented to an instrument (drums, guitar, piano, violin synthesizer or COMPUTER?) and they do what they can with the sounds.

One instrument, a GUITAR.. is pretty close to ONE preset sound, u recognise it everytime you hear it, and imagine all different tracks made with it?

I agree though to an extent that using the same samples and presets can lead to a "generic" sound, but that has everything to do with the person behind the track.

The most popular music is the kind of music people often want to make.

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Originally posted by owien well no i'm not making a ponit on how a hi hat/kick swiped is leading us to a sorry state off affairs in edm. im saying people are just to happy with banging shit together from sounds they never made. and to be fair any muppet can do that

Sounds to me like you have a rather grandiose vision of what it is that these "top producers" actually do.

I wonder how many of your favorite producers are "muppets", by your definition.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You wreak of ignorance with this statement. How can you even say this after you admitted you haven't even got a comparable product done by your methodology yet?

so were you not the person who made a thread about tiesto and his sell out methods in the seane?

and why do you think that is?
it's because he uses the same shit over and over the same genric sounds as everybody else witch make you no better then him.

no matter how well you arrange things with the same tired shit will only lead to people like you saying how pros cop out meh.


so yes i may be coming across rude now because i'm trying to point out making your own shit from top to bottom will lead to new ideas and fresh sounds and give people something to stop and think about.

bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,jhon oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

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Originally posted by Subtle Owien, the amount of tracks made throughout history that are made totally from scratch is about 0.00001% close to non existent. A musician is presented to an instrument (drums, guitar, piano, violin synthesizer or COMPUTER?) and they do what they can with the sounds. One instrument, a GUITAR.. is pretty close to ONE preset sound, u recognise it everytime you hear it, and imagine all different tracks made with it? I agree though to an extent that using the same samples and presets can lead to a "generic" sound, but that has everything to do with the person behind the track. The most popular music is the kind of music people often want to make.

i know keeping up to speed is fun but what is their to stop me from riping,swiping all key sounds premade and making a good track out of them? then saying hey check out my new tune get a label to sell it for me have some dj's play it out in clubs only to find a week or two later no one giving a rats ass. i wont be proud of my work because i stole them and so my point is made i hope.


infact fuck it over the next coming weeks when i get home from staying at my folks house i will do just that put a track together with just samples swiped ect and post it up. and prove no matter how well composed it may be or how big a hook is used will have no shelf life longer then a few weeks. like most shit out thier today

Owien - Can I send you 1000 samples and can you tell me the names of the tracks you have heard them in?

Thanks

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Originally posted by owien so were you not the person who made a thread about tiesto and his sell out methods in the seane? and why do you think that is? it's because he uses the same shit over and over the same genric sounds as everybody else witch make you no better then him. no matter how well you arrange things with the same tired shit will only lead to people like you saying how pros cop out meh. so yes i may be coming across rude now because i'm trying to point out making your own shit from top to bottom will lead to new ideas and fresh sounds and give people something to stop and think about. bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,jhon oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

Tiesto is a horrible example. That is not HIS music. You obviously haven't listened to his music he never uses the same shit. It's always the fad of the moment.

What exactly are you referring to as the same retarded shit? It's pretty vague. And how can you make such a broad generalization about something that you haven't personally done or experienced?

It's very elitist of you to make statements like you are.

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Originally posted by david.michael Sounds to me like you have a rather grandiose vision of what it is that these "top producers" actually do. I wonder how many of your favorite producers are "muppets", by your definition.

none because the producers i look up to have built up their own sound banks spaning over years and years.and made thier own sound and presets.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Tiesto is a horrible example. That is not HIS music. You obviously haven't listened to his music he never uses the same shit. It's always the fad of the moment. What exactly are you referring to as the same retarded shit? It's pretty vague. And how can you make such a broad generalization about something that you haven't personally done or experienced? It's very elitist of you to make statements like you are.

eh? never uses the same shit? what planet you on? and the only trends he sets is via intresting hooks riffs ect and not the sounds he uses to make them. or the producers he pays to make them.

and please wake up tiesto is a perfect example why the dance seane is so stagnet and totaly undermine what you stand for.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Owien - Can I send you 1000 samples and can you tell me the names of the tracks you have heard them in? Thanks

if you wish steve

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Originally posted by owien bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,john oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

I guarantee that all those producers have used samples. They may still make a lot of their own, but they have all used other people's samples....fact

I can't wait to hear this song of yours you'll be making using samples. If it's not up to the standard of, say, a "muppet" like Activa (I've recognised Vengeance samples in his work), then what will that make you? What is less than a "muppet"?

You come across as extremely ignorant. You could just say "sometimes I hear a song which sounds like a bunch of presets and ready-made samples thrown together, and it sounds very generic", and in all likelihood we would all agree with that. I know I would, there are plenty of "cookie cutter trance songs" out there which are highly unoriginal.

But there are also many, many songs which use samples, which are highly original. Most likely, much more original than your songs in which you don't use samples. Originality comes from many things, of which creating your own samples is a very small part. You seem to over-estimate the importance of creating your own samples. Realise that this is your own personal viewpoint, and that it will cause you to label almost all of your favourite producers as "muppets".

None of us are saying it's a bad thing to create your own samples - absolutely not. There are many different ways to achieve the end result, and variety is a good thing. As I said in an earlier post, some people may draw in all their volume automation rather than using compressors, and their music may sound very slightly different because of that. If the person wants to do that, that's their choice. If you want to create your own samples, that's your choice.

But please, don't try to convince a community of producers that this small aspect of production, creating your own samples, is the be-all and end-all of originality. Because it just plain isn't.

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Originally posted by derail I guarantee that all those producers have used samples. They may still make a lot of their own, but they have all used other people's samples....fact I can't wait to hear this song of yours you'll be making using samples. If it's not up to the standard of, say, a "muppet" like Activa (I've recognised Vengeance samples in his work), then what will that make you? What is less than a "muppet"? You come across as extremely ignorant. You could just say "sometimes I hear a song which sounds like a bunch of presets and ready-made samples thrown together, and it sounds very generic", and in all likelihood we would all agree with that. I know I would, there are plenty of "cookie cutter trance songs" out there which are highly unoriginal. But there are also many, many songs which use samples, which are highly original. Most likely, much more original than your songs in which you don't use samples. Originality comes from many things, of which creating your own samples is a very small part. You seem to over-estimate the importance of creating your own samples. Realise that this is your own personal viewpoint, and that it will cause you to label almost all of your favourite producers as "muppets". None of us are saying it's a bad thing to create your own samples - absolutely not. There are many different ways to achieve the end result, and variety is a good thing. As I said in an earlier post, some people may draw in all their volume automation rather than using compressors, and their music may sound very slightly different because of that. If the person wants to do that, that's their choice. If you want to create your own samples, that's your choice. But please, don't try to convince a community of producers that this small aspect of production, creating your own samples, is the be-all and end-all of originality. Because it just plain isn't.

so tell me this how do you hope to make it your own?IF YOU USE OTHER PEOPLES WORK TO MAKE IT THEN ITS NOT YOUR WORK.



and wtf do you meen creating your own samples is only a smal part of prouducthion that's total bullshit it goes much deaper then one shots or pads it's the hole basis of making a edm track ffs.

and i dont belive for one min that everybody here thinks swipping other peoples work is ok

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Originally posted by owien and i dont belive for one min that everybody here thinks swipping other peoples work is ok

"Swiping other people's work" is your way of seeing it. As I said earlier, using that logic, I would be perfectly legitimate in criticising you for "swiping other people's work" if you use a computer you didn't build from the ground up.

You do seem to have a lot of people disagreeing with your viewpoint. I think if you asked your favourite producers whether they've used samples in some of their productions, and they actually decided to answer you, they would respond with "of course I've used samples in some productions. WTF?"

Using a few one-shot drum samples in a song (kick, hihat, snare), and creating everything else yourself, doesn't mean the song is going to be unoriginal. I don't know how you'd get such a warped viewpoint.

Creating the kick, hihat and snare samples yourself and using them in a song might possibly make it 1% more original.

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