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Re: Please torrent FL Studio..

This thread in short.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I told imageline on their forums I will be torrenting their version 9

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Yes, they apologized cause your moms a whore.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery USA! USA! USA!

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Ableton is the only program Ive ever seen accused of having bad sound quality...and it turning out to be true. This forum has atleast 3 threads about it, you can do the search yourself. Which is not a suprise to anyone, ableton is a tool used for doing live work. Actually, I believe this is the second time we went over this mfitterer1.

So taking anecdotal evidence from people you know neither how smart they are or how much experience they have with the program and then claiming it to be fact? Sounds like you're just trying to ruffle feathers alas the usual for you.

For the record; in Ableton if you're working with audio files you have to always flatten audio and on top of that some people just don't understand that even if you haven't actively warped something it will still minutely affect the sound if it's on and not set correctly.

It doesn't matter what they originally made it for it is superb as far as audio quality goes, despite what Kenneth Thomas or anyone else says. Psychology also factors into this big time. You get 100 people saying something and psycho-acoustics come into play and you start thinking you're hearing things you really aren't.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Oh hush. I'm more likely to become a mod than any of you whiner wankers. I'm one of the few people here who isn't a total fucking idiot.

Sigh. People don't choose mods who haven't showered in two weeks; it shows they lack common day to day life skills.

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Originally posted by Fledz Sigged! I'm now in competition with echosystm for best sig from Production forum

Sorry bro but his is probably the best quote I've ever read on this forum LOL

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Originally posted by evo8 3 threads that all end up with the same conclusions - bad sound out of Live is to do with people warping stuff incorrectly i.e. they are doin it wrong Ableton Live's sound quality is a good as any other DAW on the market, end of fucking story.

Yup yup. I mean these people are so dumb to think that Ableton would allow itself to lag behind in such a competitive market. If there was no competition for them the accusations would hold more clout; but there are MANY quality daw's. They cannot afford to put out a under performing product.

If someone were to show me some hard evidence of a loss of dynamics or sound quality i'd listen; but it's yet to have happened.

fuck me the last 2 pages of this thred was people just stepping in and picking on what people say over and over.
pointless

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/1...atured-at-namm/

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=45804

http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=19836

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/print...253426&start=30


These are from different sites. There are tons and tons of them floating around the web. If Ableton's audio engine wasn't so bad, I doubt there would be so many speculations.

Like I said, I have rewired reason 4 to it with some patches I have made from before & I can clearly hear the difference when rewired to Ableton, as opposed to other DAWs or even just having Reason as standalone.

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Originally posted by owien fuck me the last 2 pages of this thred was people just stepping in and picking on what people say over and over. pointless

welcome to TA

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Originally posted by SGL http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/1...atured-at-namm/ http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=45804 http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=19836 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/print...253426&start=30

I'm reading a lot of speculation but precious little real explanation and testing.

What is there to test? Ableton sounds different when given the same paramters, as compared to any other DAW.

Load a .wav in ableton, then load it into cubase, fl, logic....fl, cubase, and logic, will all sound utterly identical, ableton will sound different.

You know, it cannot be a case that thousands of people unanimously agreed to lie about the very same thing in a very specific program.

I don't have Cubase, FL, or Logic, so someone else can do that test I guess.

The millions of threads on the internet are all the test I need.

It looks like Ableton updated the audio engine with version 7.0.

http://downloads.ableton.com/manual...ct_sheet-en.pdf

^ There are some real technical tests rather than speculation.

Yes, because listening to something and hearing the difference is mere speculation.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Yes, because listening to something and hearing the difference is mere speculation.

The other day in Music Discussion some idiot claimed to be able to "hear the difference" between FLAC and WAV files. I don't trust bald claims about what people hear.

FLAC and WAV lol

Just for the sake of this argument, I installed Ableton again and loaded up some patches on Reason and rewired it.

Same patches untouched, sound much more clear on tracktion & samplitude.

On Ableton, again untouched, sound 'airy' and really 'washed out'.

On Sony's Acid, they start to sound very mono.

I guess Mackie Tracktion 3 and Reason 4 will be in my arsenal for a very long time.

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Originally posted by SGL http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/1...atured-at-namm/ http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=45804 http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=19836 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/print...253426&start=30 These are from different sites. There are tons and tons of them floating around the web. If Ableton's audio engine wasn't so bad, I doubt there would be so many speculations. Like I said, I have rewired reason 4 to it with some patches I have made from before & I can clearly hear the difference when rewired to Ableton, as opposed to other DAWs or even just having Reason as standalone.

You're just not understanding that there are MANY small settings within each daw that could slightly alter the output of audio files from it. I'd say the real problem is people don't know their equipment; probably because most of it has been pirated

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 What is there to test? Ableton sounds different when given the same paramters, as compared to any other DAW. Load a .wav in ableton, then load it into cubase, fl, logic....fl, cubase, and logic, will all sound utterly identical, ableton will sound different. You know, it cannot be a case that thousands of people unanimously agreed to lie about the very same thing in a very specific program.

There are more things that change the sound in ableton such as dithering, consolidation, the warping engine (and even further which type of warping engine is used).

Bring the proof or continue to bend over in this argument; you're making yourself look even more retarded than usual.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The millions of threads on the internet are all the test I need.

And that tells us all we needed to know about your statements; they're based on second hand opinions.

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Originally posted by SGL Just for the sake of this argument, I installed Ableton again and loaded up some patches on Reason and rewired it. Same patches untouched, sound much more clear on tracktion & samplitude. On Ableton, again untouched, sound 'airy' and really 'washed out'. On Sony's Acid, they start to sound very mono. I guess Mackie Tracktion 3 and Reason 4 will be in my arsenal for a very long time.

Untouched would mean you didn't correctly set the warping engine, or turn off dither. All which will change your sound while a different daw may go about the same process differently.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Untouched would mean you didn't correctly set the warping engine, or turn off dither. All which will change your sound while a different daw may go about the same process differently.

By untouched I'm talking bout the parameters of the Reason instruments.

I went to preferences and played around with the warping and dithering settings. They didn't make any difference whatsoever.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You're just not understanding that there are MANY small settings within each daw that could slightly alter the output of audio files from it. I'd say the real problem is people don't know their equipment; probably because most of it has been pirated

Ableton is the only one that fucks sound up out-of-the-box. Default, blank, vanilla ableton, fucks up sounds, and forces you to go out of your way to get it right. That's called bad development. No other DAW in the history of man, is specificly set up by default, to fuck shit up.

No matter what angle you try to take, the error will always fall on your side. Fine, you don't want to call it bad sound quality, then we will call it bad development. Either way, the problem is with Ableton. Users shouldn't have to go into ableton and disable useless options in order to get a good product. Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that? In FL its one click and you have access right-then to every sample on your hard drive. You can literally drag and drop media.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that?

Nice fabrication, it takes 3 seconds to start a new project. All you have to do is to pick a folder for the track. You can drag and drop files too, even across projects.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Ableton is the only one that fucks sound up out-of-the-box. Default, blank, vanilla ableton, fucks up sounds, and forces you to go out of your way to get it right. That's called bad development. No other DAW in the history of man, is specificly set up by default, to fuck shit up. No matter what angle you try to take, the error will always fall on your side. Fine, you don't want to call it bad sound quality, then we will call it bad development. Either way, the problem is with Ableton. Users shouldn't have to go into ableton and disable useless options in order to get a good product. Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that? In FL its one click and you have access right-then to every sample on your hard drive. You can literally drag and drop media.

I have never had to turn anything off or edit any settings at all. Because I know what they do. You have to remember Ableton has many different uses. With those many different uses comes the ability to set it up for the particular reason you yourself are using it.

Of course when a clown like yourself pirates it and expects to know everything with a couple clicks; I could see the reason you got frustrated and went to FL LOL.

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