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Originally posted by yROMAN It is fascinating to me, in the first place, that people are bitching about Trance on a site called TRANCE Addict. And not to be confrontational, but I don't really understand why the people who prefer other EDM genres are even registered on here. Moving on, however. It's also very annoying how almost every discussion turns into an argument about something called "quality" Trance or even more vaguely - "quality" Electronic Music. With that, of course, the names of AvB, Tiesto, PvD and alike seem to always be brought up. Now don't get me wrong - I myself can't stand DJ Sammy or Basshunter, as well as some of the other cheese that one sees labeled as "Trance" on beatport and elsewhere. But it strikes me more as a negativity coming from DJs that consider themselves "not mainstream", meaning: not nearly as successful and/or talented as the big guys. I believe there is NOTHING noble about choosing to play the most obscure and unknown tracks one can find and, as a consequence, boring the crowd to death (as Tiesto actually seems to do recently with his whole new whiteboy indietronica style). People go to the clubs to hear what THEY want to hear - not what YOU want to play. So, if your track lists consist mostly of the tracks that none of the big guys of Trance ever played or will ever play in their radio shows or live sets, or include in their compilations, the chances are that you are going to be stuck on TA typing hateful posts for a long time. Good luck to all. P.S. It is entirely idiotic to not admit that you like something, when, in fact, you do. And if your purpose in life is to seem "cool", you should probably purchase a big-ass mouse hat and start producing dull, slow, soulless [Electro-]House music.

Did you just register to post that nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic? In addition, there are a number of logical flaws to your arguments but whatever.

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Originally posted by ToF Did you just register to post that nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic? In addition, there are a number of logical flaws to your arguments but whatever.

1. I answered the question of whomever started this thread.
2. I sure as hell didn't register to bitch about Trance.

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Originally posted by yROMAN It is fascinating to me, in the first place, that people are bitching about Trance on a site called TRANCE Addict. And not to be confrontational, but I don't really understand why the people who prefer other EDM genres are even registered on here. Moving on, however. It's also very annoying how almost every discussion turns into an argument about something called "quality" Trance or even more vaguely - "quality" Electronic Music. With that, of course, the names of AvB, Tiesto, PvD and alike seem to always be brought up. Now don't get me wrong - I myself can't stand DJ Sammy or Basshunter, as well as some of the other cheese that one sees labeled as "Trance" on beatport and elsewhere. But it strikes me more as a negativity coming from DJs that consider themselves "not mainstream", meaning: not nearly as successful and/or talented as the big guys. I believe there is NOTHING noble about choosing to play the most obscure and unknown tracks one can find and, as a consequence, boring the crowd to death (as Tiesto actually seems to do recently with his whole new whiteboy indietronica style). People go to the clubs to hear what THEY want to hear - not what YOU want to play. So, if your track lists consist mostly of the tracks that none of the big guys of Trance ever played or will ever play in their radio shows or live sets, or include in their compilations, the chances are that you are going to be stuck on TA typing hateful posts for a long time. Good luck to all. P.S. It is entirely idiotic to not admit that you like something, when, in fact, you do. And if your purpose in life is to seem "cool", you should probably purchase a big-ass mouse hat and start producing dull, slow, soulless [Electro-]House music.

really shit first post.

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Originally posted by yROMAN It is fascinating to me, in the first place, that people are bitching about Trance on a site called TRANCE Addict. And not to be confrontational, but I don't really understand why the people who prefer other EDM genres are even registered on here.

People learn to appreciate more music other than one specific genre. And sometimes grow to prefer them more. It happens.

I mean, it's safe to say that everyone eventually moves on from Raffi.

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Originally posted by yROMAN It is fascinating to me, in the first place, that people are bitching about Trance on a site called TRANCE Addict. And not to be confrontational, but I don't really understand why the people who prefer other EDM genres are even registered on here. Moving on, however. It's also very annoying how almost every discussion turns into an argument about something called "quality" Trance or even more vaguely - "quality" Electronic Music. With that, of course, the names of AvB, Tiesto, PvD and alike seem to always be brought up. Now don't get me wrong - I myself can't stand DJ Sammy or Basshunter, as well as some of the other cheese that one sees labeled as "Trance" on beatport and elsewhere. But it strikes me more as a negativity coming from DJs that consider themselves "not mainstream", meaning: not nearly as successful and/or talented as the big guys. I believe there is NOTHING noble about choosing to play the most obscure and unknown tracks one can find and, as a consequence, boring the crowd to death (as Tiesto actually seems to do recently with his whole new whiteboy indietronica style). People go to the clubs to hear what THEY want to hear - not what YOU want to play. So, if your track lists consist mostly of the tracks that none of the big guys of Trance ever played or will ever play in their radio shows or live sets, or include in their compilations, the chances are that you are going to be stuck on TA typing hateful posts for a long time. Good luck to all. P.S. It is entirely idiotic to not admit that you like something, when, in fact, you do. And if your purpose in life is to seem "cool", you should probably purchase a big-ass mouse hat and start producing dull, slow, soulless [Electro-]House music.

"great post, not" -borat

Have to lol at the bitchiness on here, I came to this forum to chat to people about trance music I didnt know that people go on and on about it so much. Anyhoos back on topic.

Im an unsigned producer I like and produce all types of underground dance music. My main love is drum n bass (shoot me down its all dark and associated with bad things rar rar rar) I love house, hardcore, breakbeat, old skool hardcore and obviously I love trance.

I started listening to dance music at a very early age and caught the wave of old skool hardcore and the early trance stuff in the early to mid 90's. When people ask me what music I like I state the genre I like, drum n bass usually gets a thumbs down and so does hardcore. If however I talk about trance and explain that I like artists such as PVD, Armin, Above & Beyond, Sander Van Doorn they look at me oddly to start with but when they google the said artists they tend to like what they hear. It seems commercial poppy trance clouds everyones perceptive of what real trance is all about.

I agree at some points the genre as a whole has slipped under the radar of late but if them chart listeners stuck there necks out and looked underground then maybe they would find out what the music is properly about.

I went to a trance event friday night and had a great time! from 9pm till 5am I was stompin away to uplifting, hard and tech trance and I loved it! Im not afraid to say I like trance and Im not afraid to say I love all the other types of electronic dance music that Im into.

I think if you take the time to explain to people what a genre is all about and for them to open there eyes more then they will understand what your talking about.

IMO cascada, scooter and basshunter are for the teenagers who have no knowledge outside of the charts

But Scooter also made some great trance tracks e.g. Cosmos and Rhapsody in E. I'm far from teenager now...

Yes, Scooter made a few pretty good tracks. They also made dozens of other awful and annoying ones, even if they are amusing in a kind of ridiculous way.

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Originally posted by sparkidee Have to lol at the bitchiness on here, I came to this forum to chat to people about trance music I didnt know that people go on and on about it so much. Anyhoos back on topic. Im an unsigned producer I like and produce all types of underground dance music. My main love is drum n bass (shoot me down its all dark and associated with bad things rar rar rar) I love house, hardcore, breakbeat, old skool hardcore and obviously I love trance. I started listening to dance music at a very early age and caught the wave of old skool hardcore and the early trance stuff in the early to mid 90's. When people ask me what music I like I state the genre I like, drum n bass usually gets a thumbs down and so does hardcore. If however I talk about trance and explain that I like artists such as PVD, Armin, Above & Beyond, Sander Van Doorn they look at me oddly to start with but when they google the said artists they tend to like what they hear. It seems commercial poppy trance clouds everyones perceptive of what real trance is all about. I agree at some points the genre as a whole has slipped under the radar of late but if them chart listeners stuck there necks out and looked underground then maybe they would find out what the music is properly about. I went to a trance event friday night and had a great time! from 9pm till 5am I was stompin away to uplifting, hard and tech trance and I loved it! Im not afraid to say I like trance and Im not afraid to say I love all the other types of electronic dance music that Im into. I think if you take the time to explain to people what a genre is all about and for them to open there eyes more then they will understand what your talking about. IMO cascada, scooter and basshunter are for the teenagers who have no knowledge outside of the charts

You better copy pasta save this post, it'll serve you well as your artist bio on myspace.

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Originally posted by sparkidee If however I talk about trance and explain that I like artists such as PVD, Armin, Above & Beyond, Sander Van Doorn they look at me oddly to start with but when they google the said artists they tend to like what they hear. It seems commercial poppy trance clouds everyones perceptive of what real trance is all about.

but armin van buuren is "commercial poppy trance"

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Yes, Scooter made a few pretty good tracks. They also made dozens of other awful and annoying ones, even if they are amusing in a kind of ridiculous way.

Indeed sometimes really funny and often surprising and very often annoying. But IMO the tracks they make are very, very well put together. Didn't keep up with them for the last few years, so decided to have a listen at the latest album UNDER THE RADAR OVER THE TOP!

Scooter - J'adore Hardcore

They are masters in stealing stuff, but no-one else can fit it in a totally different jacket that well.
I enjoy listening to all the samples and melodies they use, also in the background (with headphones).
I respect them for being around that long and still just doing what they like.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Scooter - J'adore Hardcore

uggggghhhhhh

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Originally posted by sparkidee IMO cascada, scooter and basshunter are for the teenagers who have no knowledge outside of the charts

Yes, unlike PVD, Armin, Above & Beyond, Sander Van Doorn who are more underground than Dubfire.

Okay, so, all the bitching aside, let me ask you this: what IS exactly "quality" Trance (and Trance ONLY - not Progressive House or Hard Dance or any of that) you speak of? Provided that:

1. We all seem to agree that artists like Cascada or Basshunter, or DJ Sammy, etc. have nothing to do with "quality" and/or Trance.

2. There seems to be a disagreement on the topic of a DJ /Producer /Remixer being successful = commercial = not "quality". Which goes back to the question: does success = lack of quality? As well as, does underground [a.k.a. unknown-ness] = "quality"?

3. A lot of people on here seem to have an opinion that [almost] any given VOCAL Trance track (think "Unforgivable", "Break My Fall", "On A Good Day" or - more recently - "Man On The Run" or "Not Enough Time") is a piece of garbage.

4. Are artists like Markus Schulz, Cosmic Gate, Sied van Riel, Sander van Doorn, Myon & Shane 54, Gareth Emery, Rafa�l Frost, Sean Tyas, Simon Patterson, Ummet Ozcan all also considered by you non-"quality", to put it in terms of the veterans of this forum?

Please enlighten me. Thanks.


P.S. Let's keep it Trance-related, since this is a discussion about TRANCE on TRANCE Addict.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Okay, so, all the bitching aside, let me ask you this: what IS exactly "quality" Trance (and Trance ONLY - not Progressive House or Hard Dance or any of that) you speak of? Provided that: 1. We all seem to agree that artists like Cascada or Basshunter, or DJ Sammy, etc. have nothing to do with "quality" and/or Trance. 2. There seems to be a disagreement on the topic of a DJ /Producer /Remixer being successful = commercial = not "quality". Which goes back to the question: does success = lack of quality? As well as, does underground [a.k.a. unknown-ness] = "quality"? 3. A lot of people on here seem to have an opinion that [almost] any given VOCAL Trance track (think "Unforgivable", "Break My Fall", "On A Good Day" or - more recently - "Man On The Run" or "Not Enough Time") is a piece of garbage. 4. Are artists like Markus Schulz, Cosmic Gate, Sied van Riel, Sander van Doorn, Myon & Shane 54, Gareth Emery, Rafa�l Frost, Sean Tyas, Simon Patterson, Ummet Ozcan all also considered by you non-"quality", to put it in terms of the veterans of this forum? Please enlighten me. Thanks. P.S. Let's keep it Trance-related, since this is a discussion about TRANCE on TRANCE Addict.

Don't bother mate, you won't get anywhere. This forum has far too many people that are just past the point of no return when it comes to their thoughts about trance. There's always valid points but generally they are laden with so much biased bullshit it's actually funny and infuriating at the same time.
Then on the other side you have people that consider trance a gift from the Gods and think everything about it is great.

Neither side wins.

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Originally posted by Fledz Don't bother mate, you won't get anywhere. This forum has far too many people that are just past the point of no return when it comes to their thoughts about trance. There's always valid points but generally they are laden with some much biased bullshit it's actually funny and infuriating at the same time. Then on the other side you have people that consider trance a gift from the Gods and everything about it is great. Neither side wins.

Great reply, actually - thanks for saying that. I think Trance has its' flaws and some of it is downright boring and/or cheesy, BUT this is a TRANCE gawd damn fucking website, so, it annoys the shit out of me when people keep on bitching about the genre as a whole left and right.

No it's not. It stopped being a purely trance site years ago. It caters for absolutely everything now and that's why it's great because there's a whole heap of different tastes and personalities.

Yes the name is misleading but you get used to it. We're not going to change the name of arguably the most popular EDM site just because trance isn't king anymore.

Yes, there is a lot of negativity particularly in MD but you get used to it. There's far too many asshats to bother fighting everyone. At the end of the day people have their own opinions and we'll continue to go in circles like we have for years. Meh.

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Originally posted by Fledz No it's not. It stopped being a purely trance site years ago. It caters for absolutely everything now and that's why it's great because there's a whole heap of different tastes and personalities. Yes the name is misleading but you get used to it. We're not going to change the name of arguably the most popular EDM site just because trance isn't king anymore. Yes, there is a lot of negativity particularly in MD but you get used to it. There's far too many asshats to bother fighting everyone. At the end of the day people have their own opinions and we'll continue to go in circles like we have for years. Meh.

Okay, I see. So then, perhaps, it's a waste of time for me - as someone who likes and spins Trance and Progressive House ONLY - to be on this site. I should go back to Trance.nu and such. Thanks for the clarification, though. Cheers.

It's not a waste of time, you just need to develop a tough skin to deal with it.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Trance and Progressive House ONLY

Quick question, do you ONLY spin those two genres because they're the only ones you like, or because you haven't and wont give other types of music a chance?

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Originally posted by Fledz It's not a waste of time, you just need to develop a tough skin to deal with it.

Fledz,

No offense, but I do have a tough skin - more than you'll ever know. I'm just not interested in reading this nonsense bitching about THE No. 1 DJ in the World, just because they feel he's too "commercial" (as in successful, popular and loved by millions - unlike them); or people moaning that Vocal Trance is cheese; or the idiots who are plain afraid to admit they even like Trance (going back to the main question of this thread). The point is: I know what I like, I have a good ear for it, and so do my listeners. So, I'll keep on liking and playing what I want - no matter what the "underground", "quality" control crew thinks of it. And THAT is why this forum is a waste of my time. Cheers, mate.

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Originally posted by enydo Quick question, do you ONLY spin those two genres because they're the only ones you like, or because you haven't and wont give other types of music a chance?

Those are THE only ones I prefer the most. The rest of EDM styles generally bore me to death. No offense.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Okay, I see. So then, perhaps, it's a waste of time for me - as someone who likes and spins Trance and Progressive House ONLY - to be on this site. I should go back to Trance.nu and such. Thanks for the clarification, though. Cheers.

Yes it is. Go away if you can't handle people with differing opinions to your own.

This site caters for everyone. There isn't just 2 sides, trancecrackers and "mnml hipsters".
Just this week I posted a recommendation for a Ferry Corsten album and then also posted in a thread about prog house/"nu-disco". Clearly there are people here which fit in the middle. I've expanded my music library since joining this site and I enjoy its in your face criticism even if I don't always agree. But that's the great thing, you can take all points on board and make your own decision rationally.

Or you could cry and then complain the site doesn't like trance anymore blah blah wah wah...
Summary: GTFO

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Originally posted by yROMAN Okay, so, all the bitching aside, let me ask you this: what IS exactly "quality" Trance (and Trance ONLY - not Progressive House or Hard Dance or any of that) you speak of? Provided that: 1. We all seem to agree that artists like Cascada or Basshunter, or DJ Sammy, etc. have nothing to do with "quality" and/or Trance. 2. There seems to be a disagreement on the topic of a DJ /Producer /Remixer being successful = commercial = not "quality". Which goes back to the question: does success = lack of quality? As well as, does underground [a.k.a. unknown-ness] = "quality"? 3. A lot of people on here seem to have an opinion that [almost] any given VOCAL Trance track (think "Unforgivable", "Break My Fall", "On A Good Day" or - more recently - "Man On The Run" or "Not Enough Time") is a piece of garbage. 4. Are artists like Markus Schulz, Cosmic Gate, Sied van Riel, Sander van Doorn, Myon & Shane 54, Gareth Emery, Rafa�l Frost, Sean Tyas, Simon Patterson, Ummet Ozcan all also considered by you non-"quality", to put it in terms of the veterans of this forum? Please enlighten me. Thanks. P.S. Let's keep it Trance-related, since this is a discussion about TRANCE on TRANCE Addict.

As already mentioned, no need to be frustrated since this is not a trance-only board.
To answer some of your questions:

1. Yes. But the fact is that in recent years many big names such as Armin, Tiesto, Paul van Dyk etc. have also placed themselves more or less in the same category as DJ Sammy and Cascada. Here are some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ltsf7Vy7KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qEivYkgZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUrp-l_dj8

Call it pop, eurodance or whatever. It sure as hell is not trance and IMO it plays in the same league as DJ Sammy. Wait in fact I even think DJ Sammy is better than the above mentioned garbage.

2. Well my examples above shows that in many cases the lack of quality comes with commercial success. I wouldn't mind if they just said "now let's produce quality pop music". But it's horrible, even as pop music.

3. When was the last time you heard a good vocal trance song? I sure as hell can't remember. It's all a giant cheesy mess.

4. Exactly. Most of them would be better if they quit producing long ago. Markus Schulz, Cosmic Gate and Sandern Van Doorn have all gone utter commercial and most of the others are lacking new ideas so they are too occupied by remaking old tracks.

and finally to answer your initial question on what is quality trance. Here are three examples in my opinion actually released in the last couple of months:

http://www.discogs.com/Blue-Planet-...release/1875777
http://www.discogs.com/Union-Jack-P...release/1927766
http://www.discogs.com/00db-Heaven-Hell/release/1890751

To be back on topic: Trance is sort of like those few [known] gay kids in high-school - they're popular, they're entertaining and noticed by almost everyone. Yet the other kids, i.e. jocks, who think they're the "cool" ones keep making fun of them and beating them in the parking lot. Kinda like what's happening on this forum.

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