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Originally posted by mute79 well yea, but obviously some have chosen to make a career out of it..

and some choose to make a career out of mcdonalds.... the pay is still the same!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But look at the service you get for it!!!! Also for them, the rates are not that expensive. When using canadian pesos its damned expensive! As for inflation.. TTC rates are beyond that of inflation. No doubt there should be increases but not at the rate they have been going. Furthermore, we pay world class rates for a substandard service. The biggest liability the TTC has are salaries and you know it.

The tube costs 4 pound sterling per fare. Otherwise known as 8 dollars. Is the service THAT much better? No I was on it this summer, it's a subway...

As stated, I don't think that 50% is that far out of line with other major expenses in 13 years. Housing has almost doubled in the city, so has gas, and I remember filling my grocery cart for just over hundred bucks. Not anymore.

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Originally posted by miketg23 The tube costs 4 pound sterling per fare. Otherwise known as 8 dollars. Is the service THAT much better? No I was on it this summer, it's a subway... As stated, I don't think that 50% is that far out of line with other major expenses in 13 years. Housing has almost doubled in the city, so has gas, and I remember filling my grocery cart for just over hundred bucks. Not anymore.

ive been on it several times...

yes its a subway... and it goes EVERYWHERE. As do the trains and buses. I never felt compelled once to rent a car in london and i went everywhere from the burbs to downtown as well as 3 airports (it was my hub for my cheap european flights)

Cash fares zone 1-6 with the oyster card

3.80 peak
2.20 off peak

Considering that most things there are pretty well charged in pounds as if they were dollars, the rates average out to be the same as here for far superior service.

now if you only want to go a few zones the fares get even cheaper.

Also if you stay out of zone 1 altogether the rates are anywhere from 1.10 to 3.20. Still cheaper than here for the most part.

Again you cannot apply exchange rates here as its irrelevant. And as i said, typically prices are the same in the UK as here but expressed in pounds instead.

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Originally posted by miketg23 I've worked in a union environment for 10 years and it's not as lazy as you might think. I don't get any paid holidays, I don't get paid for stat holidays, I have no sick days,I have no job security or seniority, and if I stop producing I can and will be laid off at anytime with zero severance. It happened to a coworker of 7 years this summer

This is correct, but that was because you were a temporary or contractual. I was a temporary for a few months (before becoming a permanent), and had no benefits other than a 11.75% raise to compensate for the holidays/vacations.

To unions, temps and contractuals are worth less than shit and it's all done on purpose (go thank your union)... until you become a permanent employee and that's when the laziness kicks in because even god can't lay you off.

Crappy news

I'm glad I no longer have to deal with traveling downtown via the subway everyday.

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Originally posted by ******** Isn't the transit pass tax deductable in Canada though?

yup.. and that was their justification in raising the pass last time. They literally said that it was their way of transferring money from the feds to them.

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Originally posted by miketg23 The tube costs 4 pound sterling per fare. Otherwise known as 8 dollars. Is the service THAT much better? No I was on it this summer, it's a subway...

Not much point in comparing fares when the entire system is publicly funded. What you should really be comparing is the total operating cost vis-a-vis the system's extent, frequency and ridership (literally, what is the hypothetical cost to move 1 rider 1 km with a guaranteed 1-minute wait time).

Even then, there are other aspects to the quality of a system such as comfort and overall customer service. I won't pretend I know of any perfect system for measuring and consolidating these things, but it should serve to illustrate the inadequacy of fares alone as a measure of success or efficiency.

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