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Originally posted by R!CH that sounds really lame on both their parts. lame on the opener for playing what luke apparently wanted to play and super lame on luke for not being able to adjust and deliver something fresh to the crowd. maybe luke showed up at the very end and didn't know that happened so i'll reserve judgment there, but still a pretty wack situation. playing ONE track from the headliner's distant past is not the same as playing a bunch of them when you're opening for him. an opener like that is an insult to his local scene.

At most club gigs, the headliners don't even get there until shortly before they go on so they don't even know all the tracks the opener plays....so it can be hard for them to adjust to deliver something fresh when the DJ doesn't necessarily know the opener play his tracks.

The opener shouldn't play his tracks simple. Not even old ones, no matter how much fun it might be. It's just not professional. Nor should the opener play any tracks the headliner has done any type of recent remix of. Seen that happen, too.

BTW, so is Laidback Luke good or not when you see him live? A couple of you seem to like him, but overall I've heard he can pretty bunk as a DJ. I dunno, just what I've heard. BTW, he's at Avalon on January 16th.

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Originally posted by DjWoody However, I also believe that if the headliner DJ can't keep up with the opening DJ, than he shouldn't be headlining. They should be prepared for anything and everything.

This statement baffles me.

So if some opener for say John Digweed plays 130+ stuff or hard stuff or if that opener comes out busting Vegas Mashups, when Diggers starts at 120-122 or something and often mellow... So Digweed should conform to whatever the opener gives him and deal with it and come out banging hard and play out of his element? And if he can't/doesn't, he shoudln't even be headlining? Hmmm, no.

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Originally posted by Hypersky Using Woody's suggestion, if you really want to fuck with the headliner, you could download a recent set of his and proceed to play the same tracks in the same order as your warm up set.

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Originally posted by DaveT This statement baffles me. So if some opener for say John Digweed plays 130+ stuff or hard stuff, when Diggers starts at 120-122 or something....so Diggers can't keep up with that 130+ stuff, so he shouldn't be headlining? That makes no sense. So Digweed should conform to whatever the opener gives him and deal with it and come out banging hard and play out of his element? Don't think so.

Yeah I agree. And like Renee said, "know your place". As much as loads of openers want to be a jetsetting superstar, opening at a local club because you gave the promoter a sweet zj isn't the time or place.

Who the FUCK is Renee???


LOL, jk Bro...

It's Rene :P

As much as it's the opening DJ's fault for setting the mood, it's the promoter's fault as well. They should know their opening DJ's and should be able to pair them accordingly.

In occasions, I had club managers and promoters come up to me and told me to bang it out. As a matter of fact, it happened to me last week. I was opening the club, it was about 10:30pm and there was lots of people inside the club already. I was playing latin house in the mid 120's. Hardly anyone was dancing, they were just socializing and drinking. The promoter comes to me and says to bang it out, that wants to see everyone dance. In that instance, I had no choice but to play what he wanted me to. After all, he is the one that pays me.

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Originally posted by DjWoody As much as it's the opening DJ's fault for setting the mood, it's the promoter's fault as well. They should know their opening DJ's and should be able to pair them accordingly. In occasions, I had club managers and promoters come up to me and told me to bang it out. As a matter of fact, it happened to me last week. I was opening the club, it was about 10:30pm and there was lots of people inside the club already. I was playing latin house in the mid 120's. Hardly anyone was dancing, they were just socializing and drinking. The promoter comes to me and says to bang it out, that wants to see everyone dance. In that instance, I had no choice but to play what he wanted me to. After all, he is the one that pays me.

That has happened to me a couple of times, once or twice at Circus

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Originally posted by DaveT This statement baffles me. So if some opener for say John Digweed plays 130+ stuff or hard stuff or if that opener comes out busting Vegas Mashups, when Diggers starts at 120-122 or something and often mellow... So Digweed should conform to whatever the opener gives him and deal with it and come out banging hard and play out of his element? And if he can't/doesn't, he shoudln't even be headlining? Hmmm, no.

Like Bas said, know your place. But obviously you're not gonna put a mashup DJ opening up for Digweed. That would be a wrong move on the promoters behalf. Just because a song is 122 doesn't mean it's mellow or hard. The BPM isn't the only deciding factor. The songs structure and energy have a lot to do with it.

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Originally posted by Randy S Wow...weird! Facebook recommended that I suggest friends for Miki Swiss just now... Look out in your box lol!!

.....did you just do a friend suggestion for him? lol

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Originally posted by Lomeli Who the FUCK is Renee??? LOL, jk Bro... It's Rene :P

You'll be Renee and like it goddammit

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Originally posted by DjWoody Like Bas said, know your place. But obviously you're not gonna put a mashup DJ opening up for Digweed. That would be a wrong move on the promoters behalf. Just because a song is 122 doesn't mean it's mellow or hard. The BPM isn't the only deciding factor. The songs structure and energy have a lot to do with it.

The biggest WTF booking by a pro I've ever seen is MSTRKRFT opening for Digweed. That was godawful.

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Originally posted by Thee-O Funny thing is that I played for almost 4 hours. I don't pre program my sets. For the most part I played some deeper stuff. I played a few bangers in there but no electro or full on vocal stuff. I brought it back down actually about 30 min before he was going to go on, because I know you got to let the headliner do his thing. However I was very conscious of what was going to happen after my set. I recorded my entire set and will upload it right now so you can be the judge.

I didn't get a chance to listen to the whole mix, but the opening track is beautiful. I can't wait to listen to the entire mix.

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Originally posted by bas The biggest WTF booking by a pro I've ever seen is MSTRKRFT opening for Digweed. That was godawful.

Wtf....

I have to agree with someone earlier when they said that Reza was just NOT the person that should've opened for Lawler.

That was just an odd lineup to begin with. Poor Lawler.

ya and that happened to be his worst show i've been to. mstrkrft totally ruined it.

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Originally posted by bas The biggest WTF booking by a pro I've ever seen is MSTRKRFT opening for Digweed. That was godawful.

LOL, I was just talking about this with a friend who lives in Dallas like two days ago.

He told me that MSTRKRFT was the opening act for Digweed on pretty much all that US tour.

on the flip side, headline DJ's should be really respectful to the opening DJ and show appreciation.


Some classy headliners that showed respect and were extremely pleasant to work with:

Ferry Corsten
Paul van Dyk
Cosmic Gate
Kyau & Albert
Infected Mushroom
There are some more but I can't think of them right now.


I won't mention the assholes but I had a few situations where It took everything in me to hold back from telling them what I really think.


One thing that bugs me is when the headline DJ hits pause on your cdj or abruptly shuts off the music without mixing out or fading. Completely disrespectful and lame and it reflects on their overall persona. It unfortunately happens once in a while...

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Originally posted by woscar LOL, I was just talking about this with a friend who lives in Dallas like two days ago. He told me that MSTRKRFT was the opening act for Digweed on pretty much all that US tour.

They were. It was a special tour with MSTRKRFT and Digweed.

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Originally posted by Victor Dinaire One thing that bugs me is when the headline DJ hits pause on your cdj or abruptly shuts off the music without mixing out or fading. Completely disrespectful and lame and it reflects on their overall persona. It unfortunately happens once in a while...

happened to me on Saturday....

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Originally posted by Victor Dinaire One thing that bugs me is when the headline DJ hits pause on your cdj or abruptly shuts off the music without mixing out or fading. Completely disrespectful and lame and it reflects on their overall persona. It unfortunately happens once in a while...

happened to me on Saturday....

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Originally posted by Victor Dinaire on the flip side, headline DJ's should be really respectful to the opening DJ and show appreciation. Some classy headliners that showed respect and were extremely pleasant to work with: Ferry Corsten Paul van Dyk Cosmic Gate Kyau & Albert Infected Mushroom There are some more but I can't think of them right now. I won't mention the assholes but I had a few situations where It took everything in me to hold back from telling them what I really think. One thing that bugs me is when the headline DJ hits pause on your cdj or abruptly shuts off the music without mixing out or fading. Completely disrespectful and lame and it reflects on their overall persona. It unfortunately happens once in a while...

I think it can be done tastefully if they give you some props on the mic, point at you, and start clapping, but if they just shut it off with no warm good vibes then that is kind of lame.

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Originally posted by bas The biggest WTF booking by a pro I've ever seen is MSTRKRFT opening for Digweed. That was godawful.

I didn't enjoy the female DJ that opened for Digweed @ Vanguard earlier this year either though. Low bpm that went nowhere.

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Originally posted by mar46017 I didn't enjoy the female DJ that opened for Digweed @ Vanguard earlier this year either though. Low bpm that went nowhere.

That was Chloe, and neither did I. I agree, her set went nowhere, absolutely terrible flow.

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Originally posted by Victor Dinaire .....did you just do a friend suggestion for him? lol

I saw him at Monster Massive, In those same white pants and crazy ass wig he always wears at his own parties.

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Originally posted by bas I for one LOVE being an opening dj, I pride myself on actually knowing how to open a party up properly. Death to shitty djs.

major +1

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Originally posted by DaveT BTW, so is Laidback Luke good or not when you see him live? A couple of you seem to like him, but overall I've heard he can pretty bunk as a DJ. I dunno, just what I've heard. BTW, he's at Avalon on January 16th.

I think Luke is AMAZING live.

He is one of those DJ's that puts 110% at EVERY show, not just the ones he is looking forward too.

I think the people that dislike Luke, might hate because of the cheese/trendy factor. Because as far as his creativity, mixing skills, and just energy in general its only found in a handful of DJ's right now.

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Originally posted by R!CH ya and that happened to be his worst show i've been to. mstrkrft totally ruined it.

MSTRKRFT's set was actually good that night, IMO, but yes...horrible as an opener. A classic example of how a good set can be a horrible opening set.

Oddly enough, one of the best sets I've ever heard from Diggers was after the opener actually played a little too hard for Digger's liking (note: opener was at 124bpm if I do I recall, and that was still too much for him)...Diggers had to start off a little heavier than you typically hear from him, but it turned out to be a frickin amazing set by him, IMO. Reminded me so much of the Diggers of the late 90s.

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Originally posted by Nerologic I think Luke is AMAZING live. He is one of those DJ's that puts 110% at EVERY show, not just the ones he is looking forward too. I think the people that dislike Luke, might hate because of the cheese/trendy factor. Because as far as his creativity, mixing skills, and just energy in general its only found in a handful of DJ's right now.

Interesting. Weird part is that the people who have told me he isn't good live are people who I always knew as being fans of his with the productions he has done and people I know who have seen him. I remember last time I saw he was playing in LA, I told a bunch of peeps who I thought would be interested ni heearing and all of them pretty much shot him down.

Might have to find out for myself come January...you better be right if i go lolz

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