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Listened to that Gadi mix and did not enjoy it at all.

Guess they're just really not my thing.

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Originally posted by woscar LOL, that was how you interpreted not what he said.

wat?

why the double standard... you guys will bitch to no end about stealing music... but when it's "the hot shit" then it's ok?

yeah i am a washed up clueless internet wanker, get over it

btw, disco edits are dumb

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Originally posted by epdarks btw, disco edits are dumb

Whoa whoa now...let's not say anything we can't take back.

The wolf and the lamb shall damn him to eternal suffering for his insolence.

So sayeth the Book of Marcy.

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Originally posted by enydo Listened to that Gadi mix and did not enjoy it at all. Guess they're just really not my thing.

same here. really just could not get into it.

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Originally posted by epdarks wat? why the double standard... you guys will bitch to no end about stealing music... but when it's "the hot shit" then it's ok? yeah i am a washed up clueless internet wanker, get over it btw, disco edits are dumb

Have more faith. The truth is out there.

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Originally posted by djhaziel I just updated the original post with the new podcast from Gadhi + tracklist stellar music

well, i put this mix (the chicago afterhours set) on my ipod the other day only to be pretty damn dissapointed

man can these guys mix or no?

mixing is atrocious (sounds like a wedding dj for the most part lol) and there's no flow to this at all

wtf is everyone smoking?

sorry to bash, just curious.

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Originally posted by epdarks wat? why the double standard... you guys will bitch to no end about stealing music... but when it's "the hot shit" then it's ok? yeah i am a washed up clueless internet wanker, get over it btw, disco edits are dumb

LOL

There is no double standard, you're just comparing apples to oranges like I said above. There is no comparison between a producer that steals samples from other people's music and tries to conceal them in an effort to pass them as his own and what was done for these edits.

It's just so blatantly obvious that "Love Light" is an edit of Stevie Wonder's "Love Light In Flight" and that "Electric Jones" is an edit of MGMT's "Electric Feel", and that "Wicked" is an edit of Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game". None of these were conceived as a way of making a quick buck by piggybacking on other people's music, or to claim the original artist's creativity as their own. They were created to incorporate them into their own mixes. The thing is that the response to them was overwhelming and people practically begged them to release them. I know that when I first heard "Electric Jones" in a Lee Foss set I starting to see what I could do to get my hands on it.

apples to oranges maybe...

in my mind, releasing music for profit is worse than simply downloading music illegally. not only are you not giving $ to the original artist, you are making $ on their work.

people begged for the tracks to be released, gimme a break man... that makes it ok?

i guess when you start producing i will blantly rip off your music and release it FOR PROFIT, b/c i can???

Oh yeah, I'm sure they made loooooads on those edits.

it's the concept. they could have given away the edits for free.

Because they don't care, and they can get away with it.

They're not posing the slightest threat to the original artists, and they certainly aren't making serious amounts of money off of them. Just giving people what they are willing to pay money for. No harm being done here.

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Originally posted by Seppuku Because they don't care, and they can get away with it. They're not posing the slightest threat to the original artists, and they certainly aren't making serious amounts of money off of them. Just giving people what they are willing to pay money for. No harm being done here.

I like these guys' music, but it's still wrong to sell tracks like these if they don't actually have the rights to use the samples. How much money they end up making off them is irrelevant. If they wanted to share their unauthorized work they should have just given the edits away for free.

I'm not saying its morally correct at all, but bootlegs and black labels are not unheard of and have been going on for years. Hip-hop probably would have never happened if it weren't for practice like this.

Everyone arguing about "stealing samples" should really look up the law regarding that. Then kindly shut the fuck up.

doesn't it go something like "if you can recognize it then you need approval?"

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Originally posted by Seppuku I'm not saying its morally correct at all, but bootlegs and black labels are not unheard of and have been going on for years. Hip-hop probably would have never happened if it weren't for practice like this.

For sure. Its not that big of a deal but I still disagree with it in principle.

Bas, if you're going to tell us to stfu, maybe you could summarize what the law actually says, or at least shoot us a link? I have no idea where to look up "sample stealing" laws.

this is not an official website so i'll keep looking....

http://www.music-law.com/sampling.html

basically says you need permission to do what w+l are doing.

here is a paper written from a princeton student, i didn't read the entire thing but all signs point to COPYRIGHT VIOLATION

http://www.princeton.edu/~artspol/s...is1%20JLind.pdf

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Originally posted by epdarks this is not an official website so i'll keep looking.... http://www.music-law.com/sampling.html basically says you need permission to do what w+l are doing.

Thanks.

you guys are a little late to jump on the soul clap bandwagon, being from Boston I've been listening to their stuff and going to their parties since I was 16, so I think I've got a right to say what I want about them. And let me assure you, as nice of guys as they are and as great of djs as they are, they are far from the funkiest thing in dance music right now.

I'm not exactly speaking out of turn here when I say that Soul Clap, more specifically W+L did not have the rights to do what they did with that Stevie Wonder track and all those other edits. Like I said, I'm all for bootlegging/remixing/whatever but when you blatantly rip off a key component of a famous track then pass it off as your own, you deserve to be sued in my book. There's a big difference between calling the track Stevie Wonder - Love Light in Flight (Soul Clap Edit) and Soul Clap - Love Light. Just think about it, how many 16 year old kids are going to come along to beatport, having never heard of Stevie Wonder, and think Soul Clap and W+L did that shit all on their own? Not fucking cool. And again, there's a big difference between making an edit like that and releasing a couple hundred white labels vs. releasing it digitally and stamping your name on it, providing no credit to the original artist.

As someone else pointed out, the rights were not secured for the release, plain and simple. If you understand copyright law, its not difficult to appreciate the far reaching legal implications of stealing something like that. I've got a degree in music business and have taken many classes on copyright law and find this kind of thing far more shameful than pirating a 10 year old tiesto track on kazaa.

Wolf + Lamb invented Stevie Wonder, and the music business.

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Originally posted by Clovis If you're talking about the Soul Clap edits, those guys have been making edits of old songs for quite a while now and they are releasing them because people WANT them. Those two white guys have more funk than almost anyone making dance music right now and their original productions back that up. They're putting out these edits because they love the music not because they're trying to rip off Stevie Wonder.

true, people want them, but that doesn't make it any less illegal. If they were so passionate about releasing it digitally they should've secured the rights rather than just put it out and assumed that they won't get caught (dangeorus assumption IMO). just look at dj shadow, he chops his samples to hell and still goes to the ends of the earth to clear them. its about giving credit where credits due, not capitalizing on the latest trend so you can cater to your audience. again, if it was a white label vinyl limited release then whatever but stamping your name on something that isnt yours then putting it out there for mass consumption is wrong and illegal. I have a hard time seeing how anyone can argue with that.

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Originally posted by woscar It's just so blatantly obvious that "Love Light" is an edit of Stevie Wonder's "Love Light In Flight" and that "Electric Jones" is an edit of MGMT's "Electric Feel", and that "Wicked" is an edit of Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game". None of these were conceived as a way of making a quick buck by piggybacking on other people's music, or to claim the original artist's creativity as their own. They were created to incorporate them into their own mixes. The thing is that the response to them was overwhelming and people practically begged them to release them. I know that when I first heard "Electric Jones" in a Lee Foss set I starting to see what I could do to get my hands on it.

yeah its fine to do that, its called a private re-edit. but a re-edit isn't meant to be released unless you can clear the rights for it. do you have any idea how many danny howells and ben watt re-edits I would die to get my hands on? but I recognize that I never will because releasing them uncleared would be illegal and disrespectful to the artist.

on another note I do quite like the stevie wonder edit and even put in a set of mine back before it was released (got a promo straight from the soul clap guys) but once I found out it was released as their own I was quite disappointed.

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Originally posted by Max Thomson yeah its fine to do that, its called a private re-edit. but a re-edit isn't meant to be released unless you can clear the rights for it. do you have any idea how many danny howells and ben watt re-edits I would die to get my hands on? but I recognize that I never will because releasing them uncleared would be illegal and disrespectful to the artist. on another note I do quite like the stevie wonder edit and even put in a set of mine back before it was released (got a promo straight from the soul clap guys) but once I found out it was released as their own I was quite disappointed.

Are rights to these songs a flat fee, or is it percent royalties?

If it was percent royalties I can't see a reason not to get rights and release!

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