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Originally posted by Mattinsanity do all of you really want to ignore me? come on, you gotta appreciate my guts and balls by expressing these extreme opinions. none of you have the fortitude to even glare at the monitor like I do.

And when you glare into the monitor, the monitor is glaring back. Not that you'd find Nietzsche controversial.








I highly doubt you'd ever be able to find Nietzsche, at all.

Eddie, it's no good me ignoring him if you're going to keep quoting his posts.

Noted and that won't be an issue, rolling forward.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity your guide is famous for being brilliantly humorous and satire,

Is that what you think? heh...okay.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity sure they're classified as "progressive trance" but that track specifically does not sound progressive at all.

That's because progressive trance is not progressive. It is not a modifier within a distinctive aesthetic like "acid" or "deep", it is the intellectual extension of a genre within the framework of an existing genre of music. Progressive rock is an extension of rock. Progressive trance is an extension of trance. Progressive house (and it's progeny: Prog) is an extension of house. Progressive breaks is an extension of breaks. Four entirely different music branches that have absolutely nothing to do with each other, despite sharing the same name.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity is it just me or does that sound like hard trance?

No. At the time, this was hard trance.



aka the mid 90s German Trance sound: fast beats and screaming acid with either piano lines or strings or cathedral choruses. It would morph into Nu-NRG (and then hard dance, along with uk hard house and hardstyle) a few years later.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity but straight up, your 2nd example was shit.

I don't care what you think about it, I'm only showing you what it is.

This is probably the most famous progressive trance track:



The is my favorite progressive trance track:


Now fuck off.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Now fuck off.

Wait who is Ishkur? I hear that name tossed around a lot.

the genre branching, web designing mothafucka has spoken.

Ishkur, I'm not sure why you're mad at me. you must've gone through some bullshit outside of this forum. I'll respond to your post later.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Wait who is Ishkur? I hear that name tossed around a lot.

He wrote the somewhat infamous Guide to Eletronic Music.

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Originally posted by Ishkur That's because progressive trance is not progressive. It is not a modifier within a distinctive aesthetic like "acid" or "deep", it is the intellectual extension of a genre within the framework of an existing genre of music. Progressive rock is an extension of rock. Progressive trance is an extension of trance. Progressive house (and it's progeny: Prog) is an extension of house. Progressive breaks is an extension of breaks. Four entirely different music branches that have absolutely nothing to do with each other, despite sharing the same name.

That has got to be the best definition of progressive I have heard yet.

I like that he keeps banging his head against the wall of idiot.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Progressive breaks is an extension of breaks. Four entirely different music branches that have absolutely nothing to do with each other, despite sharing the same name.

A small modifier here: most of the time, progressive breaks is basically just progressive house with a breakbeat and consequent bassline.

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Originally posted by Ishkur That's because progressive trance is not progressive. It is not a modifier within a distinctive aesthetic like "acid" or "deep", it is the intellectual extension of a genre within the framework of an existing genre of music. Progressive rock is an extension of rock. Progressive trance is an extension of trance. Progressive house (and it's progeny: Prog) is an extension of house. Progressive breaks is an extension of breaks. Four entirely different music branches that have absolutely nothing to do with each other, despite sharing the same name.

ok. since trance doesn't exist without house, progressive trance doesn't exist without progressive house. progressive trance is like a poor man's progressive house.

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No. At the time, this was hard trance. aka the mid 90s German Trance sound: fast beats and screaming acid with either piano lines or strings or cathedral choruses. It would morph into Nu-NRG (and then hard dance, along with uk hard house and hardstyle) a few years later.

ok.

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I don't care what you think about it, I'm only showing you what it is. This is probably the most famous progressive trance track: [/quote[ gamemaster is the representative of progressive trance? you gotta be kidding me. [quote] The is my favorite progressive trance track: Now fuck off.

decent track. better than the previous shit you posted.

progressive trance is usually trash, especially from Anjunabeats. there was a member named Neil, and he sucked Anjuna's cock in the CD Reviews section back in the day.

this is REAL progressive trance right here, I'm pretty sure everyone knows this track already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tuc7coWa_Q

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Originally posted by Redd I like that he keeps banging his head against the wall of idiot.

you gotta admit I'm an awesome heel. my ability to get others riled up is second to none.

but how am I an idiot? I swallowed my pride and said that progressive trance exists.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity ok. since trance doesn't exist without house

Why?

Trance didn't come from house.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity progressive trance is usually trash, especially from Anjunabeats. there was a member named Neil, and he sucked Anjuna's cock in the CD Reviews section back in the day.

Oh, all of a sudden you're an expert now? Of a genre you insisted didn't exist a few days ago?

Anjunabeats never released any progressive trance. At least, none that I am aware of. It was a euro disney cheese trance label. Progressive trance was pretty much finished by 99, being supplaunted by the bigger, beefier anthem trance and washy dutch supersaws. Hooj was probably the biggest progressive trance label.

there is no such thing as progressive trance

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Originally posted by Ishkur Why? Trance didn't come from house. Oh, all of a sudden you're an expert now? Of a genre you insisted didn't exist a few days ago? Anjunabeats never released any progressive trance. At least, none that I am aware of. It was a euro disney cheese trance label. Progressive trance was pretty much finished by 99, being supplaunted by the bigger, beefier anthem trance and washy dutch supersaws. Hooj was probably the biggest progressive trance label.

Anjunabeats at inception was more melodic and uplifting trance, slightly less "hands up in the air" than the late 90s supersaw dutch variant, but virtually the same family.

You're right that progressive trance as it's labelled today has nothing to do with the progressive trance of the 90s.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity is it just me or does that sound like hard trance?

It's just you.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Trance didn't come from house.

WTF? Trance evolved from acid house? Or?

Trance evolved from techno. Pretty much.

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Originally posted by Psynon WTF? Trance evolved from acid house? Or?

More techno and ambient, particularly what the Germans called "kosmische musik" ("space music", basically). There had been a musical movement since the 1970s of Germans making extremely hypnotic and spacey tracks. Not only do some of these tracks sound remarkably like early prototypes of trance, but people like Klaus Schulze even called their albums things like "Trancefer" and "En=Trance". Most of the early German trance sounds like kosmische musik with techno beats attached.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Anjunabeats never released any progressive trance. At least, none that I am aware of.

It doesn't, but kids today still use the term "progressive" trance to refer to slightly slower, slightly less overblown still candyfloss trance. It infuriates me whenever I click on someone's promo mix advertised as "progressive trance" and get a fistful of supersaws and angelic breakdown stupidity.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Why? Trance didn't come from house.

well you got me there.

But progressive trance definitely came from progressive house. that's dead obvious considering how progressive trance started to surface a year after british progressive house subsided.

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Oh, all of a sudden you're an expert now? Of a genre you insisted didn't exist a few days ago? Anjunabeats never released any progressive trance. At least, none that I am aware of. It was a euro disney cheese trance label. Progressive trance was pretty much finished by 99, being supplaunted by the bigger, beefier anthem trance and washy dutch supersaws. Hooj was probably the biggest progressive trance label.

I couldn't agree more - thank god anjuna didn't release any progressive trance.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity But progressive trance definitely came from progressive house.

No it didn't.

where's your articulate elaboration to explain why it didn't?

why do you think the real progressive trance tracks can be long and at least 10 minutes like progressive house?

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity ...

+1

Yeah! And you can't tell me that sunroofs on cars didn't inspire convertibles or that rivers aren't just big creeks. Or how the earth is just a bigger moon.










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