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Originally posted by inferno Your definition of "good" shows must be really different than mine

Obviously we dont share the same definition of good......... I dont think clubs that hold 200 people and have "DJ WHOGIVESASHIT" playing whatever kind of music is a good show. Only rarely do one of those shows ever turn into something worthy of talking about after the show.

You have to think of good in the way of, is it worth it for someone to travel from out of state, get a hotel and other high cost to see some hardly known DJ play in front of 100 or less true fans and some patrons just out to see whats going on? Nah, I will pass

I like to go with what is tried and true, a big club night with a lot of people, like I said, aside from WMC, Miami hardly has shit going on. It used to year round but now like most cities, things are dying down. When Miami does have something decent going on, I am usually there. I think that was 5 times in 2009. In the last two months I have been to new york city 7 times.

If you are going to suggest to me that I should have come to Bazaar so I could have had a great time. I can already answer that I would not have liked to go. Where do I get my basis for this..... The place is closed isnt it?

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Originally posted by ChrstnMchl Personally, I'd like to go back to multiple genre parties...

Exactly, MJ tried a good attempt at it for the Birthday bashment. I just dont think people in most cities can warm up to that in the near future.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Who cares. If she has had bad experiences, she's had bad experiences. Evidently you've taken it upon yourself to look like a jackass. Good job. If they didn't act like jerks, she wouldn't complain. I've had bad experiences at most venues I've been to too. Especially with EDM I haven't liked any of them. I respect Maggie for being vocal about it. These places suck. You guys can defend your crappy venues all you want. Though they may not have gunfire, they still have shady dealings going on. Your dubstep shows attract just as bad of crowd as Opera, just a different one. There will still be a bunch of drugged out idiots either place. So, you people can attack our tastes and try to say we need to expand what we listen too, but it's all coming out that you guys look just as bad with your respective scene. The EDM scene as a whole is messed up.

lol @ people now complaining about drugs at EDM events...are you fucking serious?

Believe me, I have bad experiences and there are places I will not go because of it. But my point is that if you want to write off venues like El Bar, etc for ridiculous reasons such as "someone was hula hooping" or "there was a pregnant bartender" thats fine - none of us are taking it personally. (although you do sound like an ignorant asshole.) But we are tired of hearing the constant bitching that there is nothing good to attend in Atlanta.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz You have to think of good in the way of, is it worth it for someone to travel from out of state, get a hotel and other high cost to see some hardly known DJ play in front of 100 or less true fans and some patrons just out to see whats going on? Nah, I will pass I like to go with what is tried and true, a big club night with a lot of people, like I said, aside from WMC, Miami hardly has shit going on. It used to year round but now like most cities, things are dying down. When Miami does have something decent going on, I am usually there. I think that was 5 times in 2009. In the last two months I have been to new york city 7 times.

That is an extremely narrow minded and sad view of music.

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Originally posted by Seppuku lol @ people now complaining about drugs at EDM events...are you fucking serious? Believe me, I have bad experiences and there are places I will not go because of it. But my point is that if you want to write off venues like El Bar, etc for ridiculous reasons such as "someone was hula hooping" or "there was a pregnant bartender" thats fine - none of us are taking it personally. (although you do sound like an ignorant asshole.) But we are tired of hearing the constant bitching that there is nothing good to attend in Atlanta.

I'd give Cafe Oliva another chance. If you read what I wrote, I didn't have so much of a problem with a place, I just wasn't feeling it. We walked in, saw the freak show in the back, wasn't really feeling the music, so we left. Came back later in the night when they'd thankfully turned off or dimmed the lights and had a decent time, although tired. I'm typically the DD in a bunch of alcoholics, so it would definitely have an appeal if they had a full bar. That way we're not sloshing back and forth from Graveyard when the boys get their craving for goose and redbull, which is quite often. =P

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Originally posted by Seppuku lol @ people now complaining about drugs at EDM events...are you fucking serious? If you want to write off venues like El Bar, etc for ridiculous reasons such as "someone was hula hooping" or "there was a pregnant bartender" thats fine - none of us are taking it personally. (although you do sound like an ignorant asshole.) But we are tired of hearing the constant bitching that there is nothing good to attend in Atlanta.

You're calling someone ignorant? You must be one of those people who does the drugs at these events. I realize it's going to happen, but nobody should be condoning it. You've never seen like one of the elitist jerks on this forum, but it looks like the people you've hung out with on here have rubbed off on you. Just because there is some no name dj you enjoy, why can people not complain about the stuff they like not coming? Believe me dude, we aren't the ones sounding ignorant. The difference is, we aren't saying you guys can't look forward to your hole in the wall, no name dj events, just don't treat us with disrespect because we want to see someone else at a different venue. I don't like a lot of venues, but if someone I love is coming to it, I'll go. As I said before, someone good comes to El Bar, I'll go, but it doesn't make me feel inferior that I don't want to waste time listening to someone I don't care about just to say I did.

Ok, I have had it, I have held back long enough

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Originally posted by Seppuku That is an extremely narrow minded and sad view of music.

I like getting my money's worth, if you like to throw money down the tube then go ahead. My mind is anything but narrow minded when it comes to music, matter a fact if you knew me, you would know me as one of the most enlightened people you have ever met when it comes to music.

Anyhow, I think you and inferno are in your own little world. A lot of people have held back to try and be nice but you two just cant quit talking about how amazing these nights where that hardly anyone here has even heard about.

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Originally posted by Seppuku more "underground" artists you'd never expect to see here. Konrad Black, 2562, Martyn, Ryan Elliott, Appleblim, Bruno Pronsato, Tim Green, Lee Foss, Seth Troxler...just to name a few. If you haven't found something you like, you haven't been looking hard enough.

Yeh, sure some of them have come across my radar from time to time but how many people truly showed up for these events. If I want to hear just music then I will buy a CD, if I want to go to a show, i expect the full experience with crowd noise and interaction with great intelligent lighting , not just a DJ sitting in some run down booth playing tracks that I could have played or made at home. In reality it just shows how narrow minded you are to not think about the full experience.

You call me ignorant and then proceed the make statements such as these:

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 we aren't saying you guys can't look forward to your hole in the wall, no name dj events

Sorry, I just can't take you seriously. I was never slamming anyone's taste until statements like that were made. No one cares what you choose to listen to. It was simply suggested that since you're having trouble finding events you enjoy, then maybe it would be a good idea for you to give some new things a try in the meantime. I don't know why you took that as an attack on your taste in music...but if that is not an option for you, direct yourself to ChrstnMchl's post above.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz I like getting my money's worth, if you like to throw money down the tube then go ahead. My mind is anything but narrow minded when it comes to music, matter a fact if you knew me, you would know me as one of the most enlightened people you have ever met when it comes to music. Anyhow, I think you and inferno are in your own little world. A lot of people have held back to try and be nice but you two just cant quit talking about how amazing these nights where that hardly anyone here has even heard about. Yeh, sure some of them have come across my radar from time to time but how many people truly showed up for these events. If I want to hear just music then I will buy a CD, if I want to go to a show, i expect the full experience with crowd noise and interaction with great intelligent lighting , not just a DJ sitting in some run down booth playing tracks that I could have played or made at home. In reality it just shows how narrow minded you are to not think about the full experience.

First of all, considering most of these events are less than 10 dollars, I get more than my moneys worth.

The reason I am calling you closed minded is that you rely on big names and status of DJs to get enjoyment. Why not open yourself up to music that you haven't heard before? I have found so much music that I love - that I would have never heard otherwise - simply by going to see some "no name" DJs. I am not trying to bash what you listen to, but myself and others just can't get into the whole big clob rockstar/superstar DJ thing.

You don't seem to get that some people enjoy smaller venues, with more intimate settings. When you take away the money, the egos, and the glam, you get the chance to hear some true, soulful sets that are infinitely better than anything I've ever seen in one of these "full experiences" you're describing. I guess you haven't heard any of it, but that kind of music simply does not work in that environment. And although the numbers are much smaller, these spots are packed and the vibe is great... hardly empty rooms with no crowd interaction.

DISCLAIMER: None of this has anything to do with the fact I live in Charlotte, I love Charlotte, I love Atlanta and go to many nights out in both cities each year.
//end disclaimer

Just to add fuel to the fire, and to continue on my no longer holding back

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Originally posted by mikebradley The run we had at Bazzaar was pretty special. Atlanta was getting on the map. We constantly had agents calling us to book their talent in Atlanta after the experience they had here. 2009 Techno/Tech House talent

Wanna know the real truth, the Agents found out that there was a slight market for these hardly known DJ's and tried to capitalize on it. Nothing more, nothing less. Success comes from getting calls from AMOnly, Bullitt Bookings or other high ranking agencies that see true potential to make money and provide a safe and enjoyable place for the Artist they represent to play.

Of course individual success comes if those artist were all you ever intended to bring. Example: If I set my goal at bringing DJ Polywog (lol) to the Masquerade's hell and that was all my goal was, sure I could throw the money away and it would be a complete success in my mind. But if I set my goal to include actually making money and not losing money then it would have proved unsuccessful

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Originally posted by mikebradley Diagnostik Touane - Lee Foss - Adultnapper - Mattias Tanzmann - Tim Green - Bruno Pronsato - Phil K CUDS Konrad Black - Seth Troxler - Ryan Elliot - Pier Bucci - Heat - Dario Zenker

So how many of these events proved successful when you define successful off making money at the door.

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Originally posted by inferno Some djs who came to Atlanta in 2009: Dario Zenker - 2562 - Appleblim - Pheek - Konrad Black - Pier Bucci - Touane - Mathias Tanzmann - Dilo - Ramadanman - Bruno Pronsato - Lars Behrenroth - Noah D - Joe Nice

Seriously, is there a website that just has all of these same artist listed as the most awesome parties Atlanta had in 2009?

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Originally posted by inferno Also look at your booking fees for big name trance djs vs big name house djs or techno djs or dubstep djs. Maybe someone should tell the Tiestos and PVDs that such an inflation of their "artform" makes them look like assholes.

If you could pack out the house and put money in your pocket, I think you would do it too. One of these days some of the artist you listed could be pulling in big numbers too

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Originally posted by Seppuku If you look past mainstream trance, Atlanta gets a helluva lot more talent than Charlotte...even though we've been in a rut recently. Maybe its time to diversify yourself.

I think you need to follow what you are saying "diversify yourself"

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Originally posted by Seppuku First of all, considering most of these events are less than 10 dollars, I get more than my moneys worth.

As I said a few post ago, the door entry alone is not the issue, its traveling to Atlanta and getting a hotel. That makes it less than my money's worth

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Originally posted by Seppuku The reason I am calling you closed minded is that you rely on big names and status of DJs to get enjoyment.

Like I said, you obviously do NOT know me. I go to smaller events all the time. I event went to a loft takeover party in NYC last month that was fantastic, you would NOT find it advertised on any message board.

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Originally posted by Seppuku Why not open yourself up to music that you haven't heard before? I have found so much music that I love - that I would have never heard otherwise - simply by going to see some "no name" DJs. I am not trying to bash what you listen to, but myself and others just can't get into the whole big clob rockstar/superstar DJ thing.

I open myself to music that I havent heard before all the time. I tried my damnedest to go to a party with this lineup
Craig Richards - Mr C - Bruno Pronsato Live - Danton Eeprom Live - Elon - Taimur - Fahad - Connie

That party was great because those people knew how to throw a party. If only a flight was available I would have been there. I know your about to tell me that Bruno came to Atlanta, yes I realize that but Bazzarr could not ever support a party like that.

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Originally posted by Seppuku You don't seem to get that some people enjoy smaller venues, with more intimate settings. When you take away the money, the egos, and the glam, you get the chance to hear some true, soulful sets that are infinitely better than anything I've ever seen in one of these "full experiences" you're describing. I guess you haven't heard any of it, but that kind of music simply does not work in that environment. And although the numbers are much smaller, these spots are packed and the vibe is great... hardly empty rooms with no crowd interaction.

I enjoy intimate nights out in smaller settings. I go to them all the time, just the parties you have described where far from those nights. You need to travel outside of Atlanta some more and then get back to me.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz You need to travel outside of Atlanta some more and then get back to me.

I've only ever been to music events within a 12 mile radius. Is that bad?

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Originally posted by inferno I've only ever been to music events within a 12 mile radius. Is that bad?

well, if your looking for diversity, sure it is.......... If your content without looking "outside the box" then dont let me enlighten you.

WARNING: Dont look at this video if you want to stay within your 12 mile radius
Alexi Delano playing at 10am in a warehouse in Brooklyn

Anyways...

When I think of bad experiences of events due to poor planning by promoters, I think of Minitek. Venue shutdowns...new venue reassignments at 3 am, closing of Coney Island portion of event early, paying over $100 in addition to tickets already bought that should have gotten you into everything, etc etc.

Not someone bringing one "nobody" dj to a small club in atlanta and a lot of people having fun

Atlanta's scene is absolutely small, no matter how you slice it.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz WARNING: Dont look at this video if you want to stay within your 12 mile radius Alexi Delano playing at 10am in a warehouse in Brooklyn

Daaaamn, thats what I'm talkin about!

Charlotte does get a lot of other talent besides the mainstream stuff...it's just not posted on on this board----maybe I'll start posting them just for argument's sake. =) I may not like all types of EDM, but I still see a need to support the 'scene'. I'm open minded---I used to say that I didn't like DNB..but I finally went to a DNB show last year, and had a great time. Also, I just discovered dubstep last year, while it's not my fave genre of EDM, I do like it sometimes----I'll be hearing some on Friday courtesy of Hey Whore Hey(yep, I'm going to the Kingdom show here in Charlotte). Whether it's trance, electro, dub, etc....there are good artists & songs and of course bad artists & songs----this shouldn't be Charlotte vs Atlanta or whatever this is turning into...everyone is entitled to have their own preferences and not have to explain the reasons behind them.

What was that infamous phrase...

'Can't we all just get along?' =)

and one more thing, I dont go posting about all of the epic nights out I have at smaller parties with no name DJ's because not many people here want to hear about them. If I started posting all of the parties I went to that I thought were good, everyone would get sick and tired of hearing about it. Think on that for a little bit.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz As I said a few post ago, the door entry alone is not the issue, its traveling to Atlanta and getting a hotel. That makes it less than my money's worth Like I said, you obviously do NOT know me. I go to smaller events all the time. I event went to a loft takeover party in NYC last month that was fantastic, you would NOT find it advertised on any message board. I open myself to music that I havent heard before all the time. I tried my damnedest to go to a party with this lineup Craig Richards - Mr C - Bruno Pronsato Live - Danton Eeprom Live - Elon - Taimur - Fahad - Connie That party was great because those people knew how to throw a party. If only a flight was available I would have been there. I know your about to tell me that Bruno came to Atlanta, yes I realize that but Bazzarr could not ever support a party like that. I enjoy intimate nights out in smaller settings. I go to them all the time, just the parties you have described where far from those nights. You need to travel outside of Atlanta some more and then get back to me.

I will admit that you are probably much older than me and have had the opportunity to travel and see a lot more than me. I have been to WMC the past two years and am going again this year, hopefully along with DEMF. This summer, I am going to Japan. While I'm sure your list dwarfs mine, I have seen enough to know what I like. I have seen huge events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated. I have been to intimate events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated.

Your argument is, "well you guys need to travel more." However, this thread is about Atlanta. And Atlanta does not have the market for events of that calibur that are not superstar top 10 DJs. That is simple fact. Obviously DJs that would fill a big club in New York would not draw half the crowd in Atlanta because New York has literally millions more people than Atlanta. Luckily, we still have had the chance to see the same artists in a more intimate setting, and while some of them were a bit off, the majority were amazing. I'm content with that, because I don't expect more out of Atlanta. As far as I can tell, you haven't been to any of them...so how can you be so sure?

Fortunately, I think you'll find your previous post holds little weight with a lot of Atlanta's promoters. Most of these guys know they aren't going to make a killing off these events, but they do it to bring in artists they enjoy and have a blast doing it. Maybe you define success as money, but for some people there's more to it than that.

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Originally posted by Seppuku I will admit that you are probably much older than me and have had the opportunity to travel and see a lot more than me. I have been to WMC the past two years and am going again this year, hopefully along with DEMF. This summer, I am going to Japan. While I'm sure your list dwarfs mine, I have seen enough to know what I like. I have seen huge events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated. I have been to intimate events that I've enjoyed, and some that I've hated. Your argument is, "well you guys need to travel more." However, this thread is about Atlanta. And Atlanta does not have the market for events of that calibur that are not superstar top 10 DJs. That is simple fact. Obviously DJs that would fill a big club in New York would not draw half the crowd in Atlanta because New York has literally millions more people than Atlanta. Luckily, we still have had the chance to see the same artists in a more intimate setting, and while some of them were a bit off, the majority were amazing. I'm content with that, because I don't expect more out of Atlanta. As far as I can tell, you haven't been to any of them...so how can you be so sure? Fortunately, I think you'll find your previous post holds little weight with a lot of Atlanta's promoters. Most of these guys know they aren't going to make a killing off these events, but they do it to bring in artists they enjoy and have a blast doing it. Maybe you define success as money, but for some people there's more to it than that.

My problem is that these events keep getting talked up like they were the best thing since sliced bread. Regardless of the city, they were not that good. Sure, I did not go to ANY of them, but like I said before the fact Bazzaar is not still here to grace us with all of its greatness says wonders. It is a known fact that most DJ's including these underground DJ's play their best when playing to a packed crowd. Most of the time you get a much more mediocre set in comparison when a DJ plays in a setting like that. Heck the fact that you cannot easily find one single video of one of these amazing nights on youtube says it all. I might be typing in the wrong keywords so please point me to it if I am missing it.

And for the record, I realize there is more to throwing a party than money, which is why I mentioned several scenarios above. But let me ask you this, when the promoter gets confronted by a venue to bring some music to a venue. Do you think the promoter tells the venue that they are only trying to bring the artist so that can say they did it for the good of music or do you think the promoter sells it with the intentions of bringing tons of people out.

About me talking about different cities, you brought up the other cities first and then tried to tell me that outside of WMC Miami actually still had a scene worthy of talking about. I was mearly proving you wrong. I would definitely have the first hand experience to do so. Heck, Florida TA used to be more of a home to me than southeast TA

This thread has gotten a lot dumber.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz My problem is that these events keep getting talked up like they were the best thing since sliced bread. Regardless of the city, they were not that good. Sure, I did not go to ANY of them, but like I said before the fact Bazzaar is not still here to grace us with all of its greatness says wonders. It is a known fact that most DJ's including these underground DJ's play their best when playing to a packed crowd. Most of the time you get a much more mediocre set in comparison when a DJ plays in a setting like that. Heck the fact that you cannot easily find one single video of one of these amazing nights on youtube says wonders. I might be typing in the wrong keywords so please point me to it if I am missing it.

Because for a lot of people, those parties were the best thing about Atlanta. And like I said, these DJs were not playing to an empty room. Bazzaar was absolutely packed for a lot of these, and it was a good move on the promoters' part to book them there rather a bigger club they couldn't get halfway full. There was never any lack of energy, and we still got great sets out of them. Like I said, you weren't there so your opinion holds little weight.

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Originally posted by Seppuku Because for a lot of people, those parties were the best thing about Atlanta. And like I said, these DJs were not playing to an empty room. Bazzaar was absolutely packed for a lot of these, and it was a good move on the promoters' part to book them there rather a bigger club they couldn't get halfway full. There was never any lack of energy, and we still got great sets out of them. Like I said, you weren't there so your opinion holds little weight.

lets quit talking about opinion, show me some video

I don't know if there are any. I went to the events, so I don't need to watch the videos to say if they were good or not. Although in my eyes a 5 minute YouTube quality video would hardly be telling of how an entire night was.

Why are you guys arguing and debating with plurbunnies who want Andy Moor to ride in on some majestic winged wyvern on a prayer and a sidechained bassline?

After reading this thread, it's pretty apparent Atlanta has very few hardcore dance music fans, and to make it worse, they're all split on which type is "good" or "makes a good show."

There is a reason nothing is going on. People lose money when they make one epic show for a small group of people.

You people whine too much. And this is coming from a guy who whined about all the fanboys that go to Opera for Armin/Tiesto/PvD/etc.

Ever since I joined this forum a couple of years ago, it seems like the only thing that actually gets talked about is how there is nothing going on, only to get told about some amazing dubstep or breaks show happening at some random small venue.

Gotten old. How those of you who have been registered here longer than me can stand it is amazing.

But seriously...can the people whining about the lack of trance stop. And can the people who think their dubstep parties would be fun for those people just stop suggesting them to those people? By all means, keep promoting your dubstep parties, but stop suggesting to the tranceaddicts, please? All it does is create some random ass gay little feud that always results in this.

Let the people who are upset about the lack of shows they want to see complain until they get bored of it, just ignore them. Let the fire burn out.

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