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| Originally posted by Endlesswave I'd say a countdown means you have until 0 until then walk away otherwise why have a countdown during a flashing red? |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 i think thats a case of a ticket happy cop. If this indeed is a ticketable offence and they are actually fining people for it, this is a new low even for our city/province. I dont even think Singapore is that bad PS: in singapore they had fences along the road so that u could only cross at crosswalks. But here is the catch. Major roads in Singapore were almost like expressways that go through the city but with controlled signaled intersections. Cars moved about 70 or 80 klicks. Pedestrians were kept on the sidewalk to move about freely and cars were kept on the road to move about freely. It seemed to work just fine. Businesses were abundant along the roads, there were lots of pedestrians. Transit was great. And cars moved! |
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew this still doesn't explain what to do when there is a flashing read countdown of 10 to 0 or 20 to 0 - that's neither yellow nor red really |
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| Originally posted by smuncky Pedestrian control signals � don�t walk (27) No pedestrian approaching pedestrian control signals and facing a solid or flashing �don�t walk� indication shall enter the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 144 (27). |
The other day I saw a police officer stop a few people that were cutting across Yonge near Yonge & Eglinton - he didn't seem to be issuing tickets, just "Informing that there have been 14 deaths this year already"
They really need to put a pedestrian cross-walk at Roehampton - the distance between Eglinton & Broadway is just far enough to be really, annoying - there are a number of offices/schools in the area, and at lunch time the number of people playing 'dodge the traffic' is nuts.
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| Originally posted by OrZonE When it counts down, it flashes. |
as far as everyone thinks, it tells you that you have 10 seconds to cross.. otherwise it would just red all together for pedestrians
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew it's not a "don't walk" flashing, what are you on about? as far as everyone thinks, it tells you that you have 10 seconds to cross.. otherwise it would just red all together for pedestrians |
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| Originally posted by smuncky the flashing hand and the countdown is simultaneous. http://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/...alk-signal.html |
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew thanks Capt. Obvious I meant that flashing red countdown/hand =/ do not walk but = you've got 10/20 seconds to finish crossing the road (theorically) is there a clear explanation if flashing red hand + countdown actually means DO NOT cross? obv. when the hand is solid it's stop!, but what is the point of the 10 sec. countdown otherwise? |
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| Hume: Maybe we'd all be safer jaywalking Illegal or not, jaywalking gets you to the other side Perhaps Toronto police should heed their own advice and look both ways before they talk. Well-intentioned though the force's Pedestrian Safety Blitz may be, it is a misguided and paternalistic exercise doomed to failure. The program, launched Wednesday after a rash of pedestrian deaths across the GTA, is flawed in its understanding of how people actually make their way through the city. Despite what the police would have us believe, we are all jaywalkers. We have no choice; to negotiate the city on foot requires endless street crossing without benefit of traffic light, crosswalk or corner. The police are now stopping jaywalkers and other pedestrians whose behaviour they don't like to hand out tickets and deliver a lecture on street safety. It's for our own good, of course. Pedestrians are naughty children who must be protected from themselves. And sometimes we do need to be protected from ourselves. Anyone who saunters into the path of an oncoming streetcar while engrossed in a cellphone conversation is asking for trouble. But the reality of jaywalking is quite the opposite. In fact, jaywalking can be much safer than crossing at a green light, corner or crosswalk. That might sound counterintuitive, but the reason is simple: Jaywalkers assume nothing; those crossing legally assume everything. Pedestrians at a green light take it for granted that vehicles will come to a stop, that drivers turning right or left will see them, and that their right-of-way will be respected. As we know, it's not. By contrast, jaywalkers look both ways, wait for a break in the traffic and often make eye contact with drivers before proceeding. The concept of "naked streets," or as the Dutch call them, woonerfs, is based on the same principle. Because street signs have been removed, drivers and pedestrians are forced to pay close attention to each other. Fewer accidents result. No one should hold their breath waiting for naked streets to appear in Toronto; that's never going to happen. On the other hand, it would be worth employing a bit more subtlety and intelligence than the police have managed. Imposing fines and wagging fingers will accomplish nothing. Deaths will continue. And let's not forget that the majority of the 14 pedestrians killed by drivers in the last few weeks were doing exactly what the law stipulated. They weren't jaywalking, though they might have been better off had that been the case. The police response, which is to blame the victim, misses the point and reinforces tired old prejudices against pedestrians. In recent days, officers have been telling Toronto pedestrians that it doesn't matter if they are in the right; cars are bigger and go faster. But, they remind us, it's pedestrians who get killed, not drivers. That may be true, but one wonders whether the argument would hold if, for example, we were talking about domestic violence. Husbands tend to be bigger and stronger, so if you're a woman, just stay out of their way. Highly unlikely. Not all pedestrian deaths are the drivers' fault, but that's not the point. The issue is that we don't share the roads. Simply banning pedestrians from the streets, as the police would like, might please drivers, but even they must occasionally climb out from behind the wheel. We have learned not to expect too much from the police, but their handling of the pedestrian deaths has revealed a force well behind the times. "Be smart and be safe," Elmer the Safety Elephant used to say. So far, we have achieved neither. |
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| WHAT IS 'JAYWALKING' ANYWAY? The term "jaywalking" is nebulous, but most people define it as "crossing the street when you're not supposed to." But when exactly are you "not supposed" to cross the road? There are many pedestrian offences that could get you fined, says Toronto Const. Scott Parrish. For most people, the word "jaywalking" evokes visions of harried pedestrians darting between vehicles as they zigzag across the street instead of using a crosswalk. In such instances, you could be charged for "fail(ing) to yield to vehicles when crossing a roadway," resulting in a fine of $85, plus a surcharge. But what if you're taking a shortcut across a quiet residential street in the dead of night? Technically, this isn't illegal because you are not interfering with the flow of traffic, Parrish explained. However, if you happen to interrupt an oncoming car's path while doing so, that is punishable under a Toronto bylaw, he said. Some people might also interpret jaywalking to mean disobeying traffic signals, punishable under the Ontario Highway Act. Technically, it is illegal to step off the curb once the "stop" hand signal starts flashing, even if the crosswalk timer is still counting down, said traffic services Supt. Earl Witty. Each crosswalk is timed differently, but the hand usually begins blinking after 7 to 10 seconds, he said. Under the Highway Act, the fine for crossing against a hand signal is $35, plus a $15 victim surcharge, Parrish said. - Jennifer Yang |
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| No pedestrian approaching pedestrian control signals and facing a solid or flashing �don�t walk� indication shall enter the roadway |
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| Originally posted by smuncky subsection 27 clearly states that. |
that is why I'm asking questions
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew it clearly doesnt that is why I'm asking questionslol @ technically, what a joke! I'm continuing as always did - I've been crossing roads in Toronto for 6 years without a problem |
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| Originally posted by Orko The count down is irrelevant because no where in the act is it mentioned by itself, to grant that timer any powers. |
our society squabbles over countdown timers... meanwhile countries like china kick our asses by solving real problems for themselves.
I guess the opera does go on while Rome burns
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 our society squabbles over countdown timers... meanwhile countries like china kick our asses by solving real problems for themselves. I guess the opera does go on while Rome burns |
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| Originally posted by Orko And with that, you lost any credibility you had gained in this thread. China is a 100 years behind us on many issues, and that's why they have to deal with 'real' shit. You are talking about freedom to be and live, and then you go and compare us to China? You cannot even get unfiltered search results in China. WTF is wrong with you? You have tried to make this type of comparison before, and it is always wrong, because we are so much further ahead in social issues. Ok, economics? How about them holding $2trillion of worthless paper? Ok fine natural resources, they are mining the fuck out of Africa, well guess what, we already have all the resources we need. Get a clue and stay on track. Yeah in china they do deal with real problems, like fake medicine being sold for children, or schools being built with cheap concrete, or illegal power plants. You want us to deal with that too? Get the fuck out of this country. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 I guess the opera does go on while Rome burns |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 My point is, instead of focussing the headlines of the evening on stupid idiotic things, lets start focussing on how we as a society can renew ourselves and become more competitive to deal with the rest of the world. Lets get our heads out of our asses! |
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| Originally posted by Orko Ah...who created this thread? If you want to steer people away, don't create threads like this, and then take people on wild goose chases for arguments. You are just adding fuel to the file, the don't walk signal being a prime example. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 our society squabbles over countdown timers... meanwhile countries like china kick our asses by solving real problems for themselves. I guess the opera does go on while Rome burns |
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| Originally posted by Dark_Archonis To that post, I respond with ignorance is bliss for the common person, for the masses. You're not going to change Toronto, and Toronto likely isn't going to change either. As you stated, the opera goes on while Rome burns, and in Toronto people are too busy paying attention to the opera rather than the fire . |
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| Originally posted by smuncky ... |
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| Originally posted by chinamon i think they should buy pedestrians thicker glasses so they can see when a fucking car is coming. |
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew yah but if this isn't even written anywhere + they dont arrest drivers for speeding, they just issue tickets no ID = no ticket? I'm just wondering for curiocity's sake - I don't have driver's ID, and sometimes I don't even have a health card on me so technically I can tell them I'm Jane Doe and I live in Nunavut |
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