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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not your semen, his semen!

No, he didn't get anyone pregnant either. I've been taking my pills regularly

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Originally posted by Theresa This was an interesting post on one of the articles about this: From the perspective of a nurse... interesting. The youngest recorded mothers within the last decade were 10 and 11 years old. If this isn't proof enough that children are sexually active at a much younger age, then I don't know what to say.

That's really fucking disturbing

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Originally posted by Lews That's really fucking disturbing

It is pretty fucked up, but its because they are uneducated and don't know what they are doing.

I think this was already mentioned, but in the U.S. when the Bush administration forced the Abstinence only education, both pregnancies and STD rates rose.

We're being ignorant to think that our kids don't need this education as early as they are able to understand it.

Sex ed is good. Kids are going to do it, better they take precautions than have a fantasy where none of them wont be doing it at all.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby none of them wont be

o_O

Also we got sex ed in fifth grade... I cant remember if my balls had dropped by then, but I remember being a lot younger and figuring that stuff out on my own with a number of girls... Kids are curious and when left to their own devices (heheh devices) they will go exploring (at least we used to, now they all have too many video games).

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Originally posted by Sushipunk o_O

oops

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Im not talking about the mankind�s achievements. Im talking about each and every common man�s ability to utilise their intelligence.

They are one and the same.

Much like my Balkan brother Moongoose, I got a sex education book for kids at an early age so never really needed any sex education.
I don't see what the point of keeping sex from kids is. It's not like if you teach a 5 year old how a baby is born, all of a sudden they will start having sex at 12.
Sex education should be a support tool to help kids make good decisions and drum into their heads how important protection is if they are going to do it.

I fully support programs like that.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno They are one and the same.

nope. just because somebody has enough free time to read a book or paint a picture or write a song, does not mean they're suddenly pushing boundaries that have an effect on the whole of mankind. somebody can easily further themselves intellectually without having the slightest influence on anyone else. it is rather easy to distinguish between notable "achievements" like the ones you listed, and mere personal improvement or awareness.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN nope. just because somebody has enough free time to read a book or paint a picture or write a song, does not mean they're suddenly pushing boundaries that have an effect on the whole of mankind. somebody can easily further themselves intellectually without having the slightest influence on anyone else. it is rather easy to distinguish between notable "achievements" like the ones you listed, and mere personal improvement or awareness.

Just because someone receives sex education, does not mean that they aren't still going to go out and selfishly produce a half dozen offspring, further contributing to overpopulation of the planet.

Just because someone is made aware of environmental issues, does not mean that they're going to stop buying mountains of cheap crap that will end up in a landfill site in less than a year's time.

Just because someone is told of the benefits of eating a balanced, healthy diet, does not mean that they're going to stop drinking a litre of pop a day and stuffing themselves with over-processed, empty-calorie garbage, further burdening health care systems that are already stretched to the limit.

You claim individual knowledge has improved in the last 70 years - if that were indeed the case, we should be considerably more enlightened as a whole. If individual knowledge has indeed improved, then we're making piss-poor use of it.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Well, when they took it away in Texas, teen pregnancy rates skyrocketed.

I'm White (not like that matters cause there is white trash everywhere) and I am NOT racist in fact I wanted to be Hispanic so I wouldn't get picked on and I could feel like I fit in threw my younger years, anyhow I live in a 80% to 85& Hispanic city and seeing a 25 year old with 3 to 4 kids on welfare is a common site around here. San Antonio is like a little Mexico (the poor and uneducated part of Mexico also)

My friend moved to Seattle with his kids cause he has a great job, at least by my standards, makes around 100,000k a year plus wife works but he was a drop out and fell into a trade school at moved up the The Boeing Company ranks. He moved 2 years ago to Seattle for a bigger promotion and his kids were all A students here in San Antonio and when they went to Seattle they all turned to C and D students. San Antonio is way lower south than Dallas and Houston as I'm sure ya'll know that.

We have illegal aliens galore, I can walk 20 feet from my house and find a bum sleeping or begging for change, or a nasty ass hooker getting out of a car. I'm just taking care of my Grandma till she dies, she is 83 now then I'm going to school and booking out of Texas or maybe just another city. But I've lived in this neighborhood all my life, I know a lot of people here but it has progressively gotten worse over the last 10 years so I'll probably be booking.

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Originally posted by Theresa I also wanted to make a point of saying that teaching kids about sex when they are already sexually active is a little moronic. AND as it was already said, the more sexual education, the less unwanted pregnancies and STDs. So perhaps they wont "take a sex ed class and not fuck anymore or make stupid decisions", but more of them will make smarter decisions about it.

when you were 8 you were playing with toys, trust me, there is a difference talking about sex with your best bff and learning anatomy, it is an adult subject for a reason because i will repeat this again at the age of 8 YOU WILL NOT take the subject seriously = will not teach you shit. It's like teaching a child economics, they don't give a shit, do you get it now? There is a time and place when something should be learned. Now you go ahead and teach an 8 old about sexual reproductive organs and i will watch and laugh, thanks.

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Originally posted by Theresa I think sexual education should start as early as 7 and all the way to 15 at least. Obviously starting out with the anatomy, moving up to the functions (periods, masturbation etc.) and then onto intercourse, oral/anal sex, STDs and how to be safe. Although I think it would awesome if they discussed sexual positions, fetishes and sex toys etc. too, I don't think that will ever happen, or at least not any time soon.

sounds like Brave New World

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Just because someone receives sex education, does not mean that they aren't still going to go out and selfishly produce a half dozen offspring, further contributing to overpopulation of the planet. Just because someone is made aware of environmental issues, does not mean that they're going to stop buying mountains of cheap crap that will end up in a landfill site in less than a year's time. Just because someone is told of the benefits of eating a balanced, healthy diet, does not mean that they're going to stop drinking a litre of pop a day and stuffing themselves with over-processed, empty-calorie garbage, further burdening health care systems that are already stretched to the limit. You claim individual knowledge has improved in the last 70 years - if that were indeed the case, we should be considerably more enlightened as a whole. If individual knowledge has indeed improved, then we're making piss-poor use of it.

who cares? my point was that on the whole, your average human is filled with more information than that same human a few hundred years ago. and by implication, this provides people with the opportunity to make informed decisions.

nothing is ever going to stop human greed or selfishness. so let's get that part out of the way. unless we learn to cleanse our spirit, the trauma will not go away.

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Originally posted by geroin when you were 8 you were playing with toys, trust me, there is a difference talking about sex with your best bff and learning anatomy, it is an adult subject for a reason because i will repeat this again at the age of 8 YOU WILL NOT take the subject seriously = will not teach you shit. It's like teaching a child economics, they don't give a shit, do you get it now? There is a time and place when something should be learned. Now you go ahead and teach an 8 old about sexual reproductive organs and i will watch and laugh, thanks.

hey, just coz the ruski kids are slow learners doesnt mean they all are.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN who cares? my point was that on the whole, your average human is filled with more information than that same human a few hundred years ago. and by implication, this provides people with the opportunity to make informed decisions.

I care, you obviously don't. Which means that your "point on the whole" is pretty much useless rhetoric.

So some are saying that it should be up to the parents to explain to the kids about sex, or that the kids should educate themselves about it when the time is right. And then i happen upon this news bit. A bit of an extreme case i admit, but a nice pointer on how thing can go if you leave education to the parents or kids themselves.

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Originally posted by geroin when you were 8 you were playing with toys, trust me, there is a difference talking about sex with your best bff and learning anatomy, it is an adult subject for a reason because i will repeat this again at the age of 8 YOU WILL NOT take the subject seriously = will not teach you shit. It's like teaching a child economics, they don't give a shit, do you get it now? There is a time and place when something should be learned. Now you go ahead and teach an 8 old about sexual reproductive organs and i will watch and laugh, thanks.

On the same train of logic, kids don't give a shit about French, or Math either, but we teach it to them anyway.

If we teach about sexuality and sex earlier, it wont be a taboo/funny subject to them because it will be like every other subject. It will get ignored (or paid attention to), just as much as any other subject. It seems that we get through to a lot of kids that age with math, so I am pretty confident we would get through to them about sex too.

You're basically saying "these kids don't give a shit, so don't bother", and with that attitude, you might as well say that you shouldn't be educating kids at that age at all.

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Originally posted by Moongoose So some are saying that it should be up to the parents to explain to the kids about sex, or that the kids should educate themselves about it when the time is right. And then i happen upon this news bit. A bit of an extreme case i admit, but a nice pointer on how thing can go if you leave education to the parents or kids themselves.

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Originally posted by geroin when you were 8 you were playing with toys, trust me, there is a difference talking about sex with your best bff and learning anatomy, it is an adult subject for a reason because i will repeat this again at the age of 8 YOU WILL NOT take the subject seriously = will not teach you shit. It's like teaching a child economics, they don't give a shit, do you get it now? There is a time and place when something should be learned. Now you go ahead and teach an 8 old about sexual reproductive organs and i will watch and laugh, thanks.

Also... when I was 8 and moreso when I was 9, I was absolutely exploring my sexuality. That is when I started to masturbate, and my girlfriends and I would explore our bodies (not together). This was the age I stopped playing with toys and became more interested in boys and being 'cool'. We would stuff our bras and pretend we were 12 and 13 and talk to the boys at the playground. Maybe I am unique, but I knew A LOT of other kids who were doing exactly the same things I was. I also know that this is happening today. I have worked with kids in summer camps who as young as 7 and 8 who were talking about sexual things, some saying they had seen porn and wanted to know about it etc. No matter how much you want to pretend children are sweet and innocent, they aren't. Pregnant girls at 10 and 11 is obvious proof that this is the case and it's absolutely foolish to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.

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Originally posted by Theresa Also... when I was 8 and moreso when I was 9, I was absolutely exploring my sexuality. That is when I started to masturbate, and my girlfriends and I would explore our bodies (not together). This was the age I stopped playing with toys and became more interested in boys and being 'cool'. We would stuff our bras and pretend we were 12 and 13 and talk to the boys at the playground. Maybe I am unique, but I knew A LOT of other kids who were doing exactly the same things I was. I also know that this is happening today. I have worked with kids in summer camps who as young as 7 and 8 who were talking about sexual things, some saying they had seen porn and wanted to know about it etc. No matter how much you want to pretend children are sweet and innocent, they aren't. Pregnant girls at 10 and 11 is obvious proof that this is the case and it's absolutely foolish to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.

igk would have loved to meet you when you were 9

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Originally posted by Theresa Also... when I was 8 and moreso when I was 9, I was absolutely exploring my sexuality. That is when I started to masturbate, and my girlfriends and I would explore our bodies (not together).

Be honest... you explored together.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno I care, you obviously don't. Which means that your "point on the whole" is pretty much useless rhetoric.

No, you�re just bringing in random complaints that aren�t relevant to the particular topic we were discussing. Typical hippy arguing for argument�s sake.

Typically dismissive of someone whose sum life experience can be calculated by the number of books they've read.

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