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Originally posted by Lilith Good! Good! Strike him down with all your hate...

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Originally posted by spanglo Really? People that I know with drug problems have little will power to speak of, and seemed to lack the ability to fully understand the consequences of their decisions - at least initially. You of all people should know this to be true.

most people don't know how to properly use drugs and end up ODing or completely brain fried, but you can't generalize everyone and say drugaddicts are weak=minded. People who are weak-minded, are close minded and judgmental, on top of it all they know fuck all about what they are talking about. Tell me, how many drugs have you taken to come to those conclusions?
Furthermore, Weak-Willed would mean they are going nowhere in life, this can't be generalized either. You would be surprised how many drugaddicts make probably more money than you not to mention a lifestyle that is not boring.
I am not saying it is alright to be a junkie, but you should not be judgmental when you really don't know what you are talking about. ANd you can say youre will weaked-and weak minded about anyone,.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin One chemical. Dopamine. And brain conditioning.

If you become a fan of Dopamine on FB, there's regularly some really interesting updates put up.

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Originally posted by spanglo Really? People that I know with drug problems have little will power to speak of, and seemed to lack the ability to fully understand the consequences of their decisions - at least initially. You of all people should know this to be true.

This just sounds like 5th grade knowledge, I think us adults fully understand the consequences of our actions when using drugs. You must be talking to people who are homless and shoot up under a bridge. Most people on here have decent jobs and bills always come firt.

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Originally posted by bas I mean she was closer, but it's so easy I don't really understand how anyone could get it wrong. Pretty sure we're the only ones that have any idea what you're talking about

that's because we're the coolest

Why do people hook-up when they take drugs?

Escape.

escape, self destruction, those are valiable answers..but not weak minded or weak willed. lets just name a few people who wereon drugs whos legacies we still listen and study today: albert hoffman, with LSD, Freud on Cocaine, Edgar Allan Poe; Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who miserably battled his addiction to Laudanum (Opiate) for much of his adult life; Thomas de Quincey; Lord Byron; Percy Bysshe Shelley, who suffered raging laudanum-induced hallucinations; Charles Dickens; Lewis Carroll; and Charles Baudelaire. There were also political figures, such as William Wilberforce and Meriwether Lewis, who used Laudanum, not to mention a wide array of music composers and speaking of that you have poets and musicians such as jim morrison, jimi hendrix, dave gahan from Depeche Mode who relapsed 3 times on heroin and tried to kill himself, Martin gore from Depeche mode who was a huge alcoholic and the list goes on and on...Alex Grey, Salvador Dali, Andy Warhol..etc etc etc

would human evolve creatively without the experimentation of drugs? probably not since every work of art thats truly appreciable was probably done under the use of some drug including about 90% if the music you listen to.

then you have the irony of alcohol being legal, one of the substances who makes you lose control of your mind and you end up either becoming addicted, making huge scenes of violence, beating your wife and kids and it is legal. Then you have those medical drugs sold by the government who can be just as addictive as shit you get on the streets and all you need is a prescription.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN shit, even lilith is better at it than stu.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This guy had to repress a lot of things:

Hey wise-guy, the self-control the monks achieve is a byproduct of working toward enlightenment.

There's a big difference between performing years of austerities and insightful meditation, and going out for a pint after a long day at the office while exclaiming loudly in your head, "FUCK DO I EVER HAVE SHIT UNDER CONTROL!".

people only choose self immolation when the spirit of their inner child is traumatised.

Nah, they tend to cut, hang or shoot themselves, or get hooked on a raft of prescription or illegal medications, or turn to crime as a way to cope with social ineptness, or do nothing but eat processed garbage and passively watch TV for hours on end when they get home from work and impulsively order tons of cheap shit they can't afford off the internet.

The difference being, these people (especially the last group I mentioned) just as often unconsciously pass their traumas on to others, particularly their own offspring. A highly conscious and self-aware monk would never do such a thing.

so, are there any problems in the world not caused by child spirit trauma?

Here, just use this next time, save yourself the typing:

im serious. do you think the recent oil spill in the gulf was due to childhood trauma?

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Originally posted by PivotTechno A highly conscious and self-aware monk would never do such a thing.

he would also have no offspring.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean he would also have no offspring.

A highly conscious and self-aware monk would never do such a thing to anyone.

More to your liking?

indeed.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im serious. do you think the recent oil spill in the gulf was due to childhood trauma?

Greed, actually.

Guess some people are just born greedy.

All people are born greedy - it's just that some deny it because of retentive childhood spirit trauma.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Guess some people are just born greedy.

Everyone is born greedy, lol. We're not exactly 'far removed' from what we like to think of as animals.

Nearly everything we do is done for ourselves. Even a whole bunch of things that we don't 'do for ourselves' (altruism? lol) are done for ourselves, it's just a more round-about way of doing it. "I helped other people, so it wasn't just for me".

/Cynic.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Hey wise-guy, the self-control the monks achieve is a byproduct of working toward enlightenment. There's a big difference between performing years of austerities and insightful meditation, and going out for a pint after a long day at the office while exclaiming loudly in your head, "FUCK DO I EVER HAVE SHIT UNDER CONTROL!".

Which of these examples is supposed to refer to me? I don't recall ever claiming or thinking I had total self-control. I don't think there'll be a single second of my life where I will attain the highest state of being.

There's also a big difference between the kind of enlightenment those monks have and the kind which leads you to be a evangelical prick on an Internet forum. It always seems to me that the biggest evangelists are the ones who have found enlightenment/peace/God after a long spell of addiction or trouble, and they simply rechannel their energy into this new obsession. Your persistent attempts to convince everyone here that you're right about this do not imply that you're in any way enlightened. Like many evangelists you sound like you're desperately trying to convince yourself that you're fixed.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J convince yourself that you're fixed.

i have no doubt that pivot's been fixed!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On All people are born greedy - it's just that some deny it because of

Oh? I thought all people were born ignorant and their attributes were formed by the the environment they're raised in

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Originally posted by wing Oh? I thought all people were born ignorant and their attributes were formed by the the environment they're raised in

nope. humans, like all animals, are born self-interested.

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