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Originally posted by ziptnf But why is he angsty? He has millions of dollars and has become one of the most successful rappers of all time. I'm sure he'll go ahead and diss moby any chance he gets these days, seeing as how the electronic music industry is starting to take over (the mindless, bastardized pop version, mind you). His latest albums have no substance to them, Relapse and Recovery are both piles of shit and are tough to listen to all the way through. I remember being able to recite the Marshall Mathers LP word for word from start to finish.

There are moments of brilliance in Recovery, perhaps your tastes have altered?

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Originally posted by LoveHate most people who listen to deadmau5, dont listen to other edm, and most even think he started techno. /thread

which is normal considering that his fanbase is comprised mostly of high school kids.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 There are moments of brilliance in Recovery, perhaps your tastes have altered?

He has mastered his flow, and he has always had great pen-work. That doesn't mean I have to enjoy his songs. I respect him as an artist, I just didn't care for his latest two albums. I think his single on Recovery is very cliche and uninteresting.

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Originally posted by Lira Dissing Moby

He's a real idiot though. Techno was invented in his home city by some black guys who had a way harder life than him and are way more 'og' than him. I still am glad the whole thing happened though, otherwise we wouldn't have had such great hits as this...

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Originally posted by DancingMonkey He's a real idiot though. Techno was invented in his home city by some black guys who had a way harder life than him and are way more 'og' than him. I still am glad the whole thing happened though, otherwise we wouldn't have had such great hits as this...

yes.

because this is so the hood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belleville,_Michigan

eminem sucks...but you are a dumbass.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm still maintaining a point as to why a growth in dance music would benefit people, though. Your reasoning, followed through, seems to suggest it doesn't matter what happens to dance music in America because club culture is ultimately facile and soulless.

To clarify, I think American club culture is but a symptom of a larger problem and one which is only magnified by cross-over artists, be it from dance to pop or vice-versa. The prevailing argument seems to be that, because Guetta, Tiesto, Deadmau5, et al, have been recognized as legitimate artists by mainstream industry that it's a good thing for the music and culture, on the whole. I'm maintaining that because decisions within the main-stream industry are dictated more by market forces than by artistic integrity, industry has relatively little interest in striving for or maintaining a standard of quality which is not as marketable as a long established acceptable level of mediocrity and therefore, the industry will incentivize quantity over quality and discourage artists from investing more time, effort, and resources than is necessary to achieve mediocre results.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Also, you do realize that Moby started that whole feud by shooting his mouth off about Eminem's music, right?

I'm sorry but an artist like Moby can say anything he wants about an "artist" like Eminem.

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Originally posted by Viber I'm sorry but an artist like Moby can say anything he wants about an "artist" like Eminem.

Thats a pretty fucking ignorant statement there chief.

I used to really love Eminem. Now he's just fucking annoying. His shit on that Rihanna single about emotional abuse makes me want to shoot him. Fucking bunch of angst.

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Originally posted by Viber I'm sorry but an artist like Moby can say anything he wants about an "artist" like Eminem.

to be honest they both suck and belong in the 90's.

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Originally posted by IL Ducce yes. because this is so the hood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belleville,_Michigan eminem sucks...but you are a dumbass.

So what exactly are you trying to say, wikifag? Do you know what a suburb is? Eminem didn't grow up in Detroit proper either.

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Originally posted by DancingMonkey So what exactly are you trying to say, wikifag? Do you know what a suburb is? Eminem didn't grow up in Detroit proper either.

i'm not throwing out references about the belleville trio being hardcore og gangsters.

you can start backpeddling now if you would like...

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Originally posted by IL Duce i'm not throwing out references about the belleville trio being hardcore og gangsters. you can start backpeddling now if you would like...

My statement was more meant to illustrate my questioning of Eminem's "OG" status than say anything about anyone else. Case in point: I'm probably more "og" than Eminem as well. Do I think i'm an "og" "gangster"...no. Maybe i'm using the wrong wording, but when I say "og" I mean how hard someone's life has been and yes, also how ghetto the area they grew up in is.

Next post i'll write it in crayon for ya.

instead of using a crayon, try using stuff you don't make up.

deadmau5 was the only one moving to the music besides that mexican nugget. or at least it didn't look like anyone in the audience was all that impressed with the music or enjoyed it.

now compare that to when the timo mas remix of dooms night was played right before a commercial break at an mtv awards show years ago, and a chunk of the audience (mostly ladies) formed an impromptu dance floor. i cant remember if it was vmas or mtv movie awards. i wish it was on youtube. anyone remember what im talking about?

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Originally posted by corjay9 Thats a pretty fucking ignorant statement there chief.

Why?
I love Rap\Hip-Hop but i still genuinely think that Eminem was nothing more than a glorified rapper (maybe even a gimmick) while Moby was and still is a respected producer who made music on a much higher level by himself.

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Originally posted by ziptnf He has mastered his flow, and he has always had great pen-work. That doesn't mean I have to enjoy his songs. I respect him as an artist, I just didn't care for his latest two albums. I think his single on Recovery is very cliche and uninteresting.

25 to life though...

Amazing.

Up there with infinite, imo.

I like his angst tone as well. Sit out from all the other rap shit.

I like eminem because of that. You can tell him apart from 99.9% of other rappers.

I see what you're saying though, least he aint as bad as little wayne eh?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker To clarify, I think American club culture is but a symptom of a larger problem and one which is only magnified by cross-over artists, be it from dance to pop or vice-versa. The prevailing argument seems to be that, because Guetta, Tiesto, Deadmau5, et al, have been recognized as legitimate artists by mainstream industry that it's a good thing for the music and culture, on the whole. I'm maintaining that because decisions within the main-stream industry are dictated more by market forces than by artistic integrity, industry has relatively little interest in striving for or maintaining a standard of quality which is not as marketable as a long established acceptable level of mediocrity and therefore, the industry will incentivize quantity over quality and discourage artists from investing more time, effort, and resources than is necessary to achieve mediocre results.

Yes, I know all that. I've already replied to that point, by stating that it's not particularly relevant. Everyone already knows it, and the real potential positive of it is a filtering-through of popularity to the underground which will enable disparate disenchanted music fans to finally participate in their scene. To which you responded by going all thousand-yard-stare on me and musing to the effect of "Is the underground scene really any different to the meat markets?"

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes, I know all that. I've already replied to that point, by stating that it's not particularly relevant. Everyone already knows it, and the real potential positive of it is a filtering-through of popularity to the underground which will enable disparate disenchanted music fans to finally participate in their scene. To which you responded by going all thousand-yard-stare on me and musing to the effect of "Is the underground scene really any different to the meat markets?"

"How many Vietnam vets does it take to change a light bulb?"

"You don't know cause you weren't there, man!"



Perhaps it may be said, because of electronic music's main-stream migration, one could safely conclude it is growing. However, everything I have seen resultant from it, to this point, does not indicate it will improve anything. What's more is that it is only a segment, consisting of artists who's legitimate talent is regularly called into question, which has migrated over. Assertion that my arguments aren't relevant is conjecture verses the facts which support my arguments. Proposals that an alienated fan base will find more inclusion and that such migration events shine a light onto the entire genre are mitigated by a requirement for more general marketing practices which will further exclude the niche population and the fact that the light is only really shining on music which has already been accepted by the mainstream cross-section.

Why you're belaboring the existential "meat market" tangent - raised, by me, quite extemporaneously I should add - seems motivated by a strategy opposing an actual interrogation. I'm surmising you're like a boxer who, seeing a small cut above the eye which hasn't wept enough to bother the opponent, now focuses relentlessly on it until the opponent can no longer see. On the other hand, supposing you are actually interrogating it, is one to conclude that it might actually be a little more relevant to the conversation than I'm giving it credit for?

so you've never been.

game set match system j.

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Originally posted by IL Duce so you've never been. game set match system j.

Never been where or what?

who how when.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Assertion that my arguments aren't relevant is conjecture verses the facts which support my arguments.

I haven't seen many facts supporting your arguments beyond tales about seeing 808 State. What facts have you cited, exactly? That Ian Van Dahl made shit pop trance around the time dance music was popular in the US, and some unsubstantiated implication that the two are connected? We're both dealing in conjecture. That's the point of this discussion - to discuss the potential impact, positive or negative, of an increase in popularity in dance music. Your basis is that you lived through a dance music boom, my basis is living in a country where dance music is popular. And I've seen 808 State too.

When I raise a potential positive you seem to dismiss it out of hand, whilst admitting you're in no way involved with the current club scene, have no real interest in it anyway and are just assuming it hasn't changed since the 90s. Then you start throwing down paragraphs detailing just how jaded you are. From where I'm sitting it looks exactly like you're not giving the potential increase in underground activity any credence because it has no interest to you. There's too much of that and not enough reasoning behind your claim that a club scene you no longer have any connection to will not change in a positive way.

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Originally posted by geroin

He really is some distance away from Faxing Berlin now

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