Originally posted by Rodri Santos
Arty has been breakthrough dj but he is immensely overrated , his tunes doesn't have anything so special, they're all the same and he has been driven by a positive inertia if Armin didn't have played a track by him he would still be unknown and entering the djmag in his first year is an insult for a lot of dj's and producers, just see Rank1. Decades producing hits, making fantastic live sets and overcome by a kid.
And to be honest i consider the breakthrough is Avicii, i think he is the best in the mainstream , Arty is just another Anjuna broken toy, people someday will realise than Anjuna is the worst label ever founded.
Hooray! A 100-post thread in DJ booth!
As you probably would agree, the DJ Mag top 100 is a popularity contest for producers. Tiesto certainly isn't the third best "DJ" in the world, but third most popular draw (based on ability to sell tickets) sounds about right.
Arty has been far more prolific this year than Rank 1. You are correct that having major DJs pushing Arty's music helps him, but the major DJs are pushing his music in large part because they like it and want to hear more.
Anjunabeats is the worst label every founded? A lot of people, including me, would disagree. But I don't want to get into this discussion because it is totally pointless. You obviously have different musical tastes that me.
Posted by Apeattack on Nov-17-2010 22:46:
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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd
this thread has gone overkill
Agreed. Not much more to say now that I have successfully dismantled everyone's arguments. Posted by Stu Cox on Nov-18-2010 07:27:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
Agreed. Not much more to say now that I have successfully dismantled everyone's arguments.
Nelly, please kill this thread before I feel the need to reply to this comment.
Posted by Brandt Slater on Nov-18-2010 07:35:
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Originally posted by Stu Cox
Nelly, please kill this thread before I feel the need to reply to this comment.
I second that.
Posted by stealthman on Nov-18-2010 08:29:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
Vinyl+turntable would be much more difficult for me but c'mon... vinyl is dead. I haven't seen someone use vinyl in a club in over two years.
That's because you only pay to watch sellout DJ's. I have been to multiple parties within the last few years where DJ's played vinyl and I can tell you, the music was 100 times better than the shit over the local clubs where the local trance jocks play and bigger names that end up destroying my wallet to miserably.
If vinyl is dead why are a large amount of producers still pressing it? Why I am still collecting vinyl like thousands of other music conniseurs do and continuing to mix with it? (At least we understand its value) Because its a thrill to mix with, it is challenging, looks awesome, mixes smoother, and the sound quality pisses all over your disposable mp3's or wav files you bought of beatport.
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Sew with a loom, grind your own wheat to make bread, crank your car, learn to write with quill and ink. End of story.
About time to move away from a technology developed in the 1920s. It's 2010 already.
This is a stupid, irrelevant analogy. DJ's have been mixing on Technics 1200's (which were developed in the 70's) for over 20 years and are still great to boot where as manufacturers like Pioneer are constantly releasing new useless CD players to rake up profit from consumers to make them feel like their older models are worthless pieces of shit, only so they can shove USB sticks in them.
Although I must say, grinding your own wholseome fresh wheat to make bread would sure taste better than the shit you'd find at the supermarket.
Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-18-2010 08:32:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
Were you commenting more on RyanVice's posts than mine?
Well that IS who I originally quoted
As for the rest - tl;dr
Posted by brucelee6783 on Nov-18-2010 09:11:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
Agreed. Not much more to say now that I have successfully dismantled everyone's arguments.
Or so you think? A lot of what you say is true, but at the same time, a lot of what you say isn't. Especially that bit about it being "time to move on to new stuff".
I know a lot of classic car owners who would drop dead of a heart attack if they had to get rid of their muscle cars and move on to a Prius.
So when you tell vinyl enthusiasts that they need to move on to Ableton and Traktor and such, it's not surprising to see that they won't respond positively.
On a side note, I know I never meant to derail this thread so badly, but it just kinda happened, and I'm sorry.
Posted by Rodri Santos on Nov-18-2010 09:12:
i'll share you with this since we started talking about beatmatching, followed talking about djmags (again...) and now are talking about making bread.
Who want's to be the first to introduce nazis or hitler in the discussion?
Posted by stealthman on Nov-18-2010 11:43:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
Agreed. Not much more to say now that I have successfully dismantled everyone's arguments.
Posted by PivotTechno on Nov-18-2010 17:36:
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Originally posted by stealthman
That's because you only pay to watch sellout DJ's. I have been to multiple parties within the last few years where DJ's played vinyl and I can tell you, the music was 100 times better than the shit over the local clubs where the local trance jocks play and bigger names that end up destroying my wallet to miserably.
If vinyl is dead why are a large amount of producers still pressing it? Why I am still collecting vinyl like thousands of other music conniseurs do and continuing to mix with it? (At least we understand its value) Because its a thrill to mix with, it is challenging, looks awesome, mixes smoother, and the sound quality pisses all over your disposable mp3's or wav files you bought of beatport.
This is a stupid, irrelevant analogy. DJ's have been mixing on Technics 1200's (which were developed in the 70's) for over 20 years and are still great to boot where as manufacturers like Pioneer are constantly releasing new useless CD players to rake up profit from consumers to make them feel like their older models are worthless pieces of shit, only so they can shove USB sticks in them.
Although I must say, grinding your own wholseome fresh wheat to make bread would sure taste better than the shit you'd find at the supermarket.
QFT
And really, fuck the medium, its what comes out of the speakers that counts.
Just try to elevate yourself beyond the role of a glorified jukebox - learn to fucking mix. Nothing pisses me off more than hearing some lazy-arsed, effects-happy digital DJ who has no sense of programming, timing, e.q.ing or the history of the music they're playing.
Posted by Apeattack on Nov-18-2010 18:57:
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Originally posted by Stu Cox
Nelly, please kill this thread before I feel the need to reply to this comment.
Yes, kill one of the few threads in this forum that has remained active almost every day for a while.
You don't have to open this thread if you don't like the content.
Posted by Apeattack on Nov-18-2010 19:24:
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Originally posted by stealthman
That's because you only pay to watch sellout DJ's. I have been to multiple parties within the last few years where DJ's played vinyl and I can tell you, the music was 100 times better than the shit over the local clubs where the local trance jocks play and bigger names that end up destroying my wallet to miserably.
Maybe the music at those parties was way better, but that isn't point. As we boldly continue marching toward the future, fewer and fewer people will be using vinyl (already MOST DJs have moved away from vinyl because it is far less convenient and far more expensive).
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If vinyl is dead why are a large amount of producers still pressing it? Why I am still collecting vinyl like thousands of other music conniseurs do and continuing to mix with it? (At least we understand its value) Because its a thrill to mix with, it is challenging, looks awesome, mixes smoother, and the sound quality pisses all over your disposable mp3's or wav files you bought of beatport.
Look at the general trend in vinyl production. Is it going up or down?
I don't know why you are collecting vinyl records still. Everyone needs a hobby. I used to collect baseball cards (I still have a ton of Nolan Ryan cards from the late 80s that probably aren't worth much).
There is no intrinsic value to vinyl records, just as there is no intrinsic value to baseball cards. If you love vinyl, terrific... more power to you (I'm 100% serious. Everyone should have a hobby they are passionate about.) But that doesn't change the fact that mixing with vinyl is a dieing 'artform.' Vinyl may never completely die out, but it likely will end up on life support.
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This is a stupid, irrelevant analogy. DJ's have been mixing on Technics 1200's (which were developed in the 70's) for over 20 years and are still great to boot where as manufacturers like Pioneer are constantly releasing new useless CD players to rake up profit from consumers to make them feel like their older models are worthless pieces of shit, only so they can shove USB sticks in them.
The ability to use CDs over vinyl was a HUGE step. Now a DJ doesn't have to lug around a huge crate of records to each gig and he can make copies of his songs in case something happens to the original.
Relatively recently, the ability to use a USB stick over CDs has been another HUGE step. Now a DJ doesn't have to lug around a case of CDs.
These two breakthroughs reduced the size and weight of media that the DJ has to carry by a factor of 5-10.
It is true that older equipment still works, but the progress that has been made since the 1970s is not insignificant.
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Although I must say, grinding your own wholseome fresh wheat to make bread would sure taste better than the shit you'd find at the supermarket.
Possibly. But how many people still do that? Why don't you do that? Assuming you could find out online how to make your own bread from scratch I doubt you would make it everyday because it is inconvenient. This is the future of beatmatching.
Posted by Apeattack on Nov-18-2010 19:35:
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Originally posted by brucelee6783
Or so you think? A lot of what you say is true, but at the same time, a lot of what you say isn't. Especially that bit about it being "time to move on to new stuff".
Eh, I guess the smiley face didn't make my sarcasm clear enough.
There is no 'right' or 'wrong' about a lot of the items we discussed here.
The only phrase I would retract from this entire thread was how it is "about time to move away from a technology developed in the 1920s. It's 2010 already." As I have said many times in this thread, if you like to mix with a older device or media, that's fine. But most other DJs are willing to utilize the tools that are developed by Pioneer and other companies. As a result, basic DJ skills, such as beatmatching, are worth less.
Posted by Apeattack on Nov-18-2010 19:36:
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Originally posted by stealthman
I guess my sarcasm wasn't clear enough.
Posted by Apeattack on Nov-18-2010 19:41:
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Originally posted by Rodri Santos
i'll share you with this since we started talking about beatmatching, followed talking about djmags (again...) and now are talking about making bread.
Who want's to be the first to introduce nazis or hitler in the discussion?
I never heard of Godwin's law before, but I agree with it.
I did hear that Hitler manually beatmatched.
(OK n3lly, you can close the thread now) Posted by brucelee6783 on Nov-19-2010 00:10:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
Eh, I guess the smiley face didn't make my sarcasm clear enough.
Apparently not.
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There is no 'right' or 'wrong' about a lot of the items we discussed here.
Not right or wrong man, but true and false. That comment makes me feel like you didn't read my post and I feel like I'm being misquoted.
Posted by stealthman on Nov-19-2010 02:17:
every article was written in 2008. what about 2010??
Posted by stealthman on Nov-19-2010 03:03:
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Originally posted by Apeattack
I don't know why you are collecting vinyl records still. Everyone needs a hobby. I used to collect baseball cards (I still have a ton of Nolan Ryan cards from the late 80s that probably aren't worth much).
There is no intrinsic value to vinyl records, just as there is no intrinsic value to baseball cards. If you love vinyl, terrific... more power to you (I'm 100% serious. Everyone should have a hobby they are passionate about.) But that doesn't change the fact that mixing with vinyl is a dieing 'artform.' Vinyl may never completely die out, but it likely will end up on life support.
"There is no intrinsic value to vinyl records"
You tell that to the mass who have purchased or collected vinyl for almost a century. Did I mention the medium has lasted since the late 1800's? Vinyl's certainly have a sentimental value. Who's going to be collecting dry, intangible and "emotionless" mp3's 10 years down the track and call them a cherished collection that no one else could have? Comparing Vinyls to baseball cards in terms of value is the equivalent of comparing a fully operating automobile to a toy car.
Baseball card's do not mean shit in this context. If DJ'ing (or "collecting") with vinyl is going to be considered a hobby down the track, so be it. I'm guessing all the subordinate Vinyl DJ's seen from the top of your ivory tower are also seen as the lifeless hopeless peasants in your view that require a trivial "hobby" in order to for them to sustain any sort of "life support", who pale in comparison to a glorified digital king like yourself who mixes with digital files because its cool nowadays and it is the DJ'ing standard eh?. I'd rather proudly call myself a "Disc Jockey" who can physically MIX records with SKILL than ending up joining a band-wagon of digital wankers who press buttons and check Facebook at the same time to rake cash and barely do anything while the clueless drunk or zombified idiots on the dancefloor barely have any idea or give a shit about the unique technical skill that makes the DJ, a DJ.
Next thing you know, software will completely replace the DJ and have its own mixed-in-key features integrated into the DJ'ing application along with artificial intelligence randomly selecting tracks to play out to a crowd via a video camera called 'Crowd Reader v 2.0' and people like yourself would say, "this is the future of DJ'ing, so you better move on whether you like it or not". Do you consume everything that is spoon-fed and shoved down your throat?
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The ability to use CDs over vinyl was a HUGE step. Now a DJ doesn't have to lug around a huge crate of records to each gig and he can make copies of his songs in case something happens to the original.
Relatively recently, the ability to use a USB stick over CDs has been another HUGE step. Now a DJ doesn't have to lug around a case of CDs.
These two breakthroughs reduced the size and weight of media that the DJ has to carry by a factor of 5-10.
It is true that older equipment still works, but the progress that has been made since the 1970s is not insignificant.
They are not DJ's. They are lazy ****s looking to make a quick buck because they are too weak to "haul" a bunch of records? Pussies. Seriously though, what is so entertaining about watching a DJ shove in a tacky CD or USB stick, waiting to nudge the jog-wheel a few times at every transition or clicking the mouse on their laptops? Don't get me started on the possibilities of special "Effects" and looping either. This is another form of wankery that watered down and defiled the artform of DJ'ing.
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Possibly. But how many people still do that? Why don't you do that? Assuming you could find out online how to make your own bread from scratch I doubt you would make it everyday because it is inconvenient.
Speaking of bread making, I have my own handy little appliance that bakes the fresh ingredients for me so I don't have to constantly walk to the supermarket everytime I run out, and the final product tastes like win. Saves me alot of money as well. My diet doesn't consist of bread everyday though so that isn't a problem.
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This is the future of beatmatching.
Beatmatching won't even be a common term in the DJ'ing scene anymore. Every track will probably just be stitched together to make it "easier" for the light hearted.
Posted by stealthman on Nov-19-2010 03:04:
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Originally posted by bigherm
every article was written in 2008. what about 2010??
Posted by brucelee6783 on Nov-19-2010 03:33:
It's obvious to me that this forum is loaded with vinyl enthusiasts (myself included), so professing the merits of digital mixing isn't going to end well here.
It's like going to a bar full of minorities and making racist jokes. There's a time and a place for all things, but this forum doesn't seem to be the place or time to debate the merits of digital mixing. (Maybe 10 years from now)
Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable sharing your sentiment over at one of Traktor's message boards?
Posted by PivotTechno on Nov-19-2010 04:15:
Talk is cheap - settle with a mix-off.
Posted by Rodri Santos on Nov-19-2010 15:47:
to be honest vinyl is dead, a lot of records aren't pressed and are hard to find, and i think cd era is about to end too but the advantages of cd vs mp3 aren't that clear right now, we'll see how it goes
Posted by Brandt Slater on Nov-19-2010 18:58:
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Originally posted by Rodri Santos
to be honest vinyl is dead, a lot of records aren't pressed and are hard to find, and i think cd era is about to end too but the advantages of cd vs mp3 aren't that clear right now, we'll see how it goes
Vinyl isn't dead. I still see plenty of dj's using it. It's personal preference. Cdj's have USB ports for thumb drives or whatever. Does this mean Serato is dead too?
Posted by Rodri Santos on Nov-19-2010 19:35:
some djs still use them, i don't see very much of them though 1 out of 10 in the best cases here at least. But the problem is not preference, is that increasing the collection with new tunes is hard, it's very disappointing if you love a track and it is not released in vinyl.
