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Originally posted by Aesthetic Why should you have to put up with someone's blatant disrespect for everybody else, and constant chatter of how awesome he is, how you will never be as succesful, and all the other jargon he spills?

Because its the internet

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Originally posted by Kysora Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Music tastes and opinions are subjective but people seem to think things related to theory fall under the same category. M4B literally spent his life studying and pursuing music, he's undeniably amazing at it, yet people try and reduce his experience and knowledge to nothing because they have their own uninformed beliefs and opinions that they feel are just as credible because "music is subjective". If I were M4B there wouldn't be words to describe how fucking aggravating it'd be to hear something like that, especially coming from bedroom producers over the internet.

If he acted differently towards others, he could potentially be the most liked person in this sub forum. He doesn't though. His knowledge has nothing to do with why people dislike him, it's his attitude towards everyone and his disgusting view of other people.

As Aesthetic said, you wouldn't take this in real life so why would you here? It's the internet, great This isn't the c0r, he can go act like that over there.

His attitude towards others is indefensible. His contributions have nothing to do with any of this. Somebody's level of contribution doesn't give them the right to abuse others. You may be content to let someone walk all over other people because you're getting something out of them while you happily turn a blind eye to what's happening, but others aren't.

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Originally posted by Kysora I don't understand what you guys stand to earn by discrediting M4B.

Why don't you fucking ask HIM what he stands to earn every time he "discredits" us?
How has this even became about "us" as in anyone except M4B himself?

What we stand to earn is the hope or possibility that one day he will either:
a) learn some simple fucking respect for people or
b) leave the forum if its really that difficult for him to do.

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I'm getting kind of tired of sticking up for him when you guys clusterfuck him with your whining over his ego or self-centeredness, and I really don't want to seem like I'm sucking up to him since I stand to earn absolutely nothing from doing so, but you guys are seriously delusional if you think M4B actually causes more harm than good.

You're not "sucking up to him", at this point you're outright sucking his dick. If a thousand people stepped in shit all at the same time, then all of those people wiped their shoes off on a doormat, you would be that doormat.
I can't count how many times he's disrespected YOU, called your music gay, called you gay, but you're willing to turn that all away for what? Just because he taught you something? What are you a fucking knowledge whore? Someone pays you in knowledge and they're allowed to do/say w/e the hell they want to you? Are you serious bro?

Have some fucking respect for yourself. This isn't about putting all his + & - traits on a scale I could give 2 shits if he rescued battered baby seals for a living. He's a dirtbag. Can he be entertaining? Sure. Can you learn something from him? Just as well. Could you learn something from Ted Bundy too? Absolutely.
Does that in ANYway give him the right to treat YOU and other people like we're a bunch of dogs? Hell fucking no.

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Where the hell are you guys when any thread about theory or production comes up? M4B has a concise, thorough answer to virtually any legitimate question that's asked here.

I'll say it again, you're a knowledge whore. You trade your own integrity and self respect for a piece of theory or knowledge you could have gotten from any book.. yet instead, you assume the shape of a trashcan and let M4B dump all his shit on you.

But as long as you learned something in the process� everything's copasetic huh? You know what that makes me assume about you? All I have to do is teach you something, and you'll let me shit in your mouth, piss on your gfs face, fuck your mom in the ass, and you'll sit there like the doormat you are and thank me for the lesson on music theory.

You should really be proud.

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He formed a contest with his own money to encourage you guys to step out of your comfort zone as producers. And you guys get all touchy because he thinks highly of himself in comparison to us, who are a bunch of clueless, bottom-feeding bedroom producers with a couple of moderately successful musicians tossed in. You get pissed off because his sense of humor might be distasteful at, say, a funeral or a wine-tasting convention, but here on the grand old internet the things he says aren't even remotely shocking.

Look even I myself was playing devils advocate earlier in this thread. I was trying to have an open mind but you write things in a way that really makes me feel sad for you.
M4B KNOWS A LOT, we've settled that.
But for the amount of experience he has his music is SHIT. I do not consider that successful.

We might be "clueless" in respect to his career and what he does for a living, but a good portion of people on this forum can and do make better EDM than him. They also know less than him which makes him look that much more incompetent as a person.
And where is this "success" you speak of?
Nobodies buying his music by the truck loads, nobody knows him or cares to know him, and all the "success" you're seeing is really just a side effect of how you percieve his oversized ego.

People who are truly successful in life have NO NEED to talk about it every fucking day of their lives. They actually PREFER that people DON'T KNOW as people will tend to treat you less favorably when they know you're successful.
We treat him less favorably because he is so emotionally poor, that the only way he can feel competent in life is by coming to a forum like this to bask in reflective glory. Its what insecure people with no self respect do.
It would be like Tiger Woods going to play miniature golf and screaming "you suck!" every time a little 6 year old girl missed her put. But in M4B's case, he's at that course everyday doing it to everybody 24/7 365 days a year.

I can't get over how in the world you actually think that behavior is ok. If he wants to be distastefully humorsome he can go join a fucking comedy club. What he's doing here is fed by his own neurotic insecurities and he can't help himself like a fat person at the candy store. I find it appalling, and there is no way in hell I would tolerate that shit for a second.

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He was a wealth of knowledge in a giant pile of amateurs who are desperately trying to acquire it, and you guys decide that fart jokes and a well-deserved ego are just way too fucking hard to put up with in exchange for extensive musical knowledge that he's always been willing to share with us. Like he said, he gets absolutely nothing out of this site other than a way to waste time, so of course he's not going to take absolutely everything seriously like some of you try so fucking hard to do.

OMFG what is wrong with your brain bro?
"Gets absolutely nothing" from this site? Really? Theres no way in hell you are really that stupid.
He gets EVERYTHING from this site. He gets an ego boost that allows him to tolerate his own miserable life, he validates his own worthless existence by comparing himself to a population of people who are NOTHING like him.
You are comparing apples and oranges here. Take M4B by the nuts and drop into a pool of people who do the same exact thing he does for a living. Then I'll say his ego is well deserved. But you are basing his competency on the fact that he voluntarily chose to come to a forum of people who for the most part treat music as a HOBBY.

I don't even think cryo does music for a living wtf. There really is NOONE on this forum to draw a "fair" comparison with. And being as though cryo doesn't even do music as a career, he surely comes off wayyyy smarter than M4B regarding what he knows. No rich parents, no fancy upbringing as a self proclaimed child prodigy, he's humble, modest, and if he had the same exact learning experiences that M4B did, I guarantee he'd be light years ahead with what he knows.

Drop M4B in my intro to music class alone with my professor and he would have made him look like a highschool drop out.
THAT�S a fair comparison. 42 years experience, has played, performed and directed orchestras all his life. Has also played with tons of famous musicians and appeared on tv dozens of times.

M4B came here to feel like he's smart, to feel like he's better than someone else and that he definitely gets from us. So please don't give me that shit about nothing to gain. Pure utter garbage you're talking now.

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Sorry for the Robbie post, I hate ranting, but this seriously needs saying. You guys have the most vapid sense of humor I've ever seen on the internet before, I don't know what the hell causes it but you guys need to get your heads out of your asses. This thread directly addressed M4B with a stupid question and you guys preceeded to mock and insult him because he gave a legitimate answer that you didn't want to hear. God I fucking hate you guys sometimes.

Its ok I've seen nearly everyone do a "Robbie post" on this forum.
Something tells me they existed long before I did.

This whole debate/argument comes down to one simple fact of human life.
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Everything that has happened to M4B up until this point has been 100% a result of his own doings, and nothing remotely related to our "vapid" sense of humors.
There are about a million ways to be humorous and stimulating w/out outright shitting on people. Go over to any forum with a proper moderating system and you'll see that vapidless humor still exists.

For w/e reason you don't think its ok to demand respect from people and that�s the ONLY thing I see happening here. The same way you're trying to justify M4Bs insults you can turn that logic around and apply it to the insults against him in this thread.
But you don't, you cry because your master might never becoming back now. You're mad that you might actually have to open a book or take lessons on music theory vs sacrificing every bit of dignity and self respect you have just to have some neurotic sociopath spoon feed you theory.
And to that I say, the same way M4B is likely to never have respect for other people, I don't think its likely you'll ever have a shred of respect for yourself.

edit: I also find it amusing that as many times as M4B has been confronted in the past for his malevolent behavoir.. he conveniently chooses to leave right before a winner is announced.
I'm rather interested to see if he will use this opportunity to save himself some cash.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Oh please. Are you really that much of an insensitive asshole?

Well, if not taking peoples comment on the internet too seriously makes me an asshole then great..

I still aint bothered.

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Originally posted by Andy28 Well, if not taking peoples comment on the internet too seriously makes me an asshole then great.. I still aint bothered.

It's annoying when people come in here, and just say "Chill out bra." It doesn't really help anything or anyone with any issues.

I just apply what he said to the most insensitive person on this board.
And apparently even for him words on a screen are more than just words. Out of all the overreactions in this thread, his was really the most unjustified.
He basically threw a preschool conniption fit and stormed out of here like a little girl... merely for us doing the same exact thing he's been doing ever since he joined here.

Goes to show that even the most insensitive of people have a breaking point.

This thread seems to divide people into two camps...

Those who think a person should behave on the internet as they would in real life

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Those who see the internet for what it is

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Originally posted by Fledz As Aesthetic said, you wouldn't take this in real life so why would you here?

The thing is, you do not have to. This board, unlike a face to face conversation, has a handy "ignore list" feature that easily offended people really should use more often.

So yes, the Internet actually is a lot different from "real life" in this case.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery There are people here who are trying to make that our national anthem. I can only hope they succeed.

would go hand-in-hand with your equivalent to breast milk

I'm so proud!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The thing is, you do not have to. This board, unlike a face to face conversation, has a handy "ignore list" feature that easily offended people really should use more often. So yes, the Internet actually is a lot different from "real life" in this case.

Never used that feature on any board and never will. I'd rather tackle a problem head on, not bury my head in the sand.
Also I can't believe you are rationalising this by using the age old "internet - srs bsns" bullshit. I mean, seriously

As for M4Bs wealth of knowledge, I see plenty of people like Cryo, Kit, Rann and plenty of others share great knowledge all the time and yet people generally like them. Why is that? What is the one major difference there....hmm....

If we're talking alcohol....mmmmm Millers Gin

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I'd say I accomplished more before the age of 11 than you have in your life time. WOuld hardly call that irrelevant. Jaded words of a old fart whose ambitions where derailed by a fat wife and unwanted younglings. IT actually bothers me that you people diminish what education and experience bring. YOu would never argue with a doctor so quit arguing with me. It pisses me off. You aren't right so just leave it be. I"ve criticized myself constantly for the last 20 years constantly feeling I suck and you know what, I no longer have any contentions regarding fact that I am actually really good at what I do. It isn't delusion, it isn't self generated, I've worked with important people and the general consensus is that I'm aces. So stop being such a bastard you limey fuck.Sure I will learn lots more but to put it curt, my grasp of music is beyond your understanding. Not that I say this often but I think on this website, it is pretty safe thing to say. It isn't bragging as I am completely aware how limited everyone on here is. I just think your all cuddly and that is why I go here.

ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS O'ALL TIME!!!

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Originally posted by Fledz Never used that feature on any board and never will. I'd rather tackle a problem head on, not bury my head in the sand.

What would tackling the problem head on mean? Banning?

You needn't use the ignore feature, even. I don't use it either. But there are some people I consider morons, or generally not worth reading, so I simply scroll past their posts. This is not that difficult.

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Also I can't believe you are rationalising this by using the age old "internet - srs bsns" bullshit. I mean, seriously

I don't care what you want to label it, or if it's "age old," but it's simply a fact that on a board you have options for avoiding irritating people that you would not have in a face to face venue.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't care what you want to label it, or if it's "age old," but it's simply a fact that on a board you have options for avoiding irritating people that you would not have in a face to face venue.

The main issue I had with him was his invasiveness into every other thread that usually meant him derailing it. Even when he was helpful he would usually use that as a setup for a later snide comment or attack. The ignore feature wouldn't work as his constant and desperate need for attention means he smeared himself everywhere.

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Originally posted by cryophonik It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance.

Dave, that's not how I read it. I welcomed this thread as it was an opportunity for us to find out the quality of MFB'ds output.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Dave, that's not how I read it. I welcomed this thread as it was an opportunity for us to find out the quality of MFB'ds output.

bingo,and this thread now proves there was none.

I like M4B, yes he's bold, yes he's bad tempered, but he seems always integer, though often being completly blunt.

I like that a lot better than people who get personal, have nothing to show for and aren't contributing anything.

So let M4B be "the guy with the manual" that's still a lot better than the "look I am full of shit AND myself assholes" some of the others are......

I'd say a lot of trained people in all walks of life, are not necessarily the best innovators. Think of world middle wieght boxing champ (Welsh bloke) who was critiscised for not using a 'proper' gym. He used his old cow shed and ran up steep hills, but guess what, it made him fitter than any other boxer.

Rule following and classical competance are by no means the answer to outputting music people want to hear.

He often says we cannot fully appreciate what is good and what is not good music as we simply do not have his 'depper' understanding, but I would argue he has been robotised and imprinted so he himself may not be a very good innovator.

He knows a lot of sh1t, but in the end what does it all add up to?

Oh and yeah, I very much enjoy his contributions - but come on Brad, back up your posturing. Dont say 'why do you never think about your hatz you chump', and then not SHOW how it should be done, show not tell.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Good point. 99.99% of the world economists did not predict the worldwide credit crunch yet an unknown American guy (Dr Bubb) on a UK forum called housepricecrash.co.uk, was writing thread wasy back in 2005 with titles such as 'pin your signs of the comming credit crunch here'. Example from Jan 2005, 30 months before President Bush's advisers new what a debt crisis was; http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/fo...opic=4354&st=15 Posted 09 January 2005 - 11:42 PM Latest figures from the BBA for the 11 months of last year show:- 800,000 new mortgages @ average £111k 760,000 2nd mortages @ average £94k 740,000 secured loans @ average £23k Total secured borrowing £177bn by 2.3m households !!!!! and thats about 10% of all the households in the UK. BBA accounts for 70% of secured lending, so complete picture is even more borrowing. Now recent BoE survey, says that 25% of 2nd mortgages taken out are TO CONSOLIDATE DEBTS !!!!! Surely someone has got to realise this debt issue is out of control !!!! ................ Me again> In other words experts are very often wrong and cannot see the bigger picture. As such I value MFB'd opine about eqaual to many on here when it comes to EDM.

The experts knew exactly what was happening. Goldman Sachs was selling financial products they knew was going to crash. Why you think I say they knew it? Because they backed them up with Credit Default Swaps betting that those mortage backed securities would crash. And they made big money of it.

Heck, one of my friends at the university wrote her Master Thesis about this mess back in 2006 :P

edot: Ben Bernanke is a different story. This guy is a joke.

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Originally posted by Timothy The experts knew exactly what was happening. Goldman Sachs was selling financial products they knew was going to crash. Why you think I say they knew it? Because they backed them up with Credit Default Swaps betting that those mortage backed securities would crash. And they made big money of it. Heck, one of my friends at the university wrote her Master Thesis about this mess back in 2006 :P edot: Ben Bernanke is a different story. This guy is a joke.

I agree, but the point is 99.9% of economists, i'e' experts, did not see it comming even though many ordinary people (non experts) on forums like housepricecrash in 2004 did see it comming.

In other words, take account of expert opinion like Brads, but do not assume it is particuarly innovating (mine is not either, but Im not someone who goes around claiming I know everything).

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[b]Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles [/ I don't care what you want to label it, or if it's "age old," but it's simply a fact that on a board you have options for avoiding irritating people that you would not have in a face to face venue.

but this is the production forum and ignoring people kinda defeats being here right

we have to geat Opportunity of asking anybody on this site anything we want within reason you understand this will cover many areas of musical interest,technical,theory ect

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Originally posted by Raphie So let M4B be "the guy with the manual" that's still a lot better than the "look I am full of shit AND myself assholes" some of the others are......

Sorry, but I'd classify M4B as the "look I am full of shit AND myself assholes" guy instead of "the guy with the manual".

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Originally posted by Anakratis Sorry, but I'd classify M4B as the "look I am full of shit AND myself assholes" guy instead of "the guy with the manual".

M4B is at least able to provide some quality input regarding arranging or progessions as well. Never seen those from some of the other members here.

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Originally posted by Raphie M4B is at least able to provide some quality input regarding arranging or progessions as well. Never seen those from some of the other members here.

Maybe so, but I still don't appreciate having someone going on to every other forum and negatively criticizing everything like he's some god.

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