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He produced early as Andy B and other aliases:

Andy Blueman vs. RAVE-n - Untitled
Andy Blueman - Oceans Of Life
Andy Blueman - Snowflakes
Andy Blueman - Stargate
Andy Blueman - Angels Of Heaven
Andy Blueman - Riding Through The Morning Mist

Chicane - Offshore (Andy B 2005 Remix)
Enya - Smaointe (Andy B Remix)
Insigma - Open Your Eyes (Andy B 2003 Remix)

Trance Album
01. Andy Blueman - For Always (intro) [1:34]
02. Andy Blueman - Solar System [7:49]
03. Andy Blueman - Beat of Our Hearts [8:50]
04. Andy Blueman - Reflections [5:39]
05. Andy Blueman Vs. Proximus - Cydonia [6:41]
06. Andy Blueman - Underwater Moment (Break) [3:20]
07. Andy Blueman - Porque Pas [7:27]
08. Andy Blueman - Cloudland [5:44]
09. Andy Blueman - Beyond Clouds [5:21]
10. Andy Blueman - Imagination [10:12]
11. Andy Blueman - Moment Of Your Life [8:32]
12. Andy Blueman - Underwater Symphony (Outro) [3:20]


This is 2003 at least (almost 8 years, a lot of time) don't get wrong, this tracks are unreleased but i've listened to some of them and are even better than what he releases nowadays.

You can listen to this sample as it is leaked:

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Jezper's 1st release is in 2002 i believe, well Airbase is a master with melodies, he even has a midi pack, looks like he is so good that he can share his ideas and still keep improving them. I'm sure he has a background and most notably he isn't a whore with a stadium size studio packed with tech toys, nope, he only has a modest midi keyboard and ableton , all he needs to make some of the best trance.

** Just a little question here, he has some tracks along with his brother named First & Andre - Cruiser, and Widescreen , more info about his brother?? He is probably another music beast **

Actually Andy deserves a respect because if it's true that he has no music background he is a genius, just check the link i've posted above, this was made several years ago when he was less experienced, do you think that if we quit Andy Blueman and put Hans Zimmer people would notice the difference??? People would be saying this is Hans Zimmer's best work?�?

Respect for him at least, i prefer him quiting trance, true talent shouldn't be wasted in search of ASOT/TATW airplay.

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Originally posted by Storyteller If I remember correctly, mister Blueman has made tons of trance tracks under the alias 'Xeegee' before he stepped into the commercial realm of music production.

Indeed correct - From what it says on the interwebnet, he was making ambient for several years, then used that moniker for trance for a while then switched to AB when he stopped doing ambient altogether.

Doesn't really change anything apart from Robby's view that this guy who had never heard music before, just got cubase and became a boner inducing trance god








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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Actually Andy deserves a respect because if it's true that he has no music background he is a genius, just check the link i've posted above, this was made several years ago when he was less experienced, do you think that if we quit Andy Blueman and put Hans Zimmer people would notice the difference??? People would be saying this is Hans Zimmer's best work?�?

You are fucking joking right?

Phew, for a second there I thought you were serious.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN ...just got cubase...

Oh! That's why no-one knows who he is.

so he is the same as andy b? i think i even have a vinyl of him then. he was surely played back by dj precision before precision quit the game to be more with his family.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You are fucking joking right? Phew, for a second there I thought you were serious.

you didn't have time enough to listen to the track so this is just posting for posting, Hans Zimmer has really nice OST's but riding through the morning myst could make into a decent film for sure.

If he lost his passion for trance, he did right. In the end he got a name and fame because of his talent. He is surely trying to find another "genre", industry that can fulfill or not his goals.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos you didn't have time enough to listen to the track so this is just posting for posting, Hans Zimmer has really nice OST's but riding through the morning myst could make into a decent film for sure.

Not the point. Scoring a film is a little more difficult than a music director choosing a pre-existing work to track part of a film with.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos you didn't have time enough to listen to the track so this is just posting for posting, Hans Zimmer has really nice OST's but riding through the morning myst could make into a decent film for sure.

No I did listen - It's the same piece that was posted earlier in this thread via a youtube video.

For a start, Zimmer doe snot use any fake strings or woodwind - the first thing that struck me (in literally the first 2 seconds) about the AB track was the fakeness of the instruments. Where are the layered ostinatos? which have become a signature of sorts in his recent work over the past few years?

Secondly, just because you use 2s+ reverb tails to long strings then add some dramatic taiko hits, does not make you zimmer.

Don't get me wrong, his music these days is in some ways more simplistic and less about complex motifs but AB is not even close in either sound, technicality or composition.

Fine, if you don't know much about score you could say thy sound the same but that's like saying we're all in to that "techno stuff".

All this aside. the most important point however is this:

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Not the point. Scoring a film is a little more difficult than a music director choosing a pre-existing work to track part of a film with.

Jesus fuck, everyone shut up about Zimmer already. He's been scoring films longer than Blueman's been born. Andy's a great musician, give the guy credit but don't be an idiot, he has nothing on Zimmer.

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Originally posted by Kysora Jesus fuck, everyone shut up about Zimmer already. He's been scoring films longer than Blueman's been born. Andy's a great musician, give the guy credit but don't be an idiot, he has nothing on Zimmer.

Don't blame me. I didn't start it

Whoever mentioned precision has me thinking now.

What the hell does the guy do?

he was a dj, a very good one, and hard working one, who found out that he missed seeing his kids grow up by touring all the time and therefore stopped (or something). he ran a label (somatic sense) too which i think andy b�s first track where released on, which is also the reason i think i might have it around here because i was on the promo for that label. he was also part of running 4djsonly, the vinyl store. precision was truly a big loss, more hard working enthusiast havent been seen in the scene of trance. he also did some producing i think. truly a soul of trance. his radioshows where amazing too, when he left the last breathe of trance faded out.

I remember Precision. He was one of those characters that everyone seemed to like because he was consistent and never too in your face.

Greetings from the land of Ire. Grandad decided to call it quits and then within 3 days Grandma thought it was also time. Sad but they were quite old and lived full lives and well what can you do. The whole family took a trip for the funeral and we all decided to do a little Europe vacation. So I hope not too many of you have suffered too much withdrawal. And um that bloody contest. lol Ya look I'm on it.

Anyways, I can understand why AB has lost interest in his style. For one, it was done about 6 years ago and it was done much better. His tracks are absolute abortions of textbook harmonic progressions combined with a rather bad mixing aesthetic and deplorable production. The only people that find his music appealing are the younger generation that sort of missed the boat regarding that driving melodic trance and don't' realize that there is this exact type of music, that sounds much better with less derivative boring melodies that was done from about 2000-2004. I almost feel sad for people like Kysora that just don't know about the actual stuff that pretty much is AB but not sucky done years early and happen to listen to shit because they just don't know about it. It would be like listening to Fall out Boy's version of Beat it and think thats the original.

Moving on. In terms of composing for film, from what i've heard of his music, he just doesn't have what it takes. There are different styles of scoring. Some do the live music folk like style, others do the more electronic , then there is the wagnerian romantic style and in later years the hybrids which I suppose Hans Zimmer is most known for. The problem with AB, is that as a purely orchestral composer which unlike other types of aesthetics that can be less technical and more quirky, he is awful.

I am not exaggerating in any stretch. There are literally thousands of kids doing this on their computers. His lack of knowledge regarding the entire genre is quite apparent from his awful sentimental chord progressions that you learn in an intro harmony class and the associated lack of harmonic vocabulary and dexterity that leaves you absolutely stranded on an island because you are basically painting a picture with 3 shades of red , his obvious lack of any sort of orchestration knowledge , knowledge regarding form , knowledge about how motives work, how key changes work. I mean he has absolutely nothing that would remotely impress anyone in LA. Not only is his style bad on a technical level, but just aesthetically, he is living in the Hans Zimmer crimson tide block buster era which I suppose matched the rather sentimental movies being made and somehow did work but he is doing that style but for a straight to DVD release on a shoestring movie budget of 1 million , Now lets say for some strange reason, he was around at that time, and he knew a little more and was technically skilled enough to do a hack job, well the problem here is that the only types of film that use this music are blockbusters. Now you see the problem. BLockbusters use big composers. So , he has a extremely rudimentary grasp of a style of music he will never ever be asked to do and well you can see how it isn't that easy. Now lets say he was a little better, maybe had about 10 more years experience and a little more maturity in his writing and has an awesome CD made with some ok tracks. Well guess how many producers accept these unsolicited CDs ? 0. So forget thinking that its just about being good then sending your shit. Even if someone actually listened to a cd which they don't for legal reasons and he had the chance to have someone listen and cringe at another lame attempt at being Zimmer from the 90s, well it means absolutely nothing because A : anyone can do that , and B: that shows absolutely no indication whether this person can score. Make shitty sounding pseudo classical ? yes . But soundtracks are not a genre. It is a process and a skill unto itself.

Now , we've only talked about music creation without a program or picture. Which in terms of scoring is really just a prerequisite because the real actual talent is not in those melodies you think are cool. Anyone can do those. They aren't hard and it is actually hard not to do them. Composers probably spend more time trying to avoid the lame shit sentimental garbage AB makes because it is too easy and it sounds dated, it sounds cheap and it is just overall embarrassing. They only impress people like many of you that have the musical maturity of a gnat. THat isn't to say you suck completely, you might be great producers but lets be honest. Most of you have a vocabulary of about 3 chords. OF course you change the order , maybe the key but you all pretty much use such basic stuff that of course, it sounds neat when you hear AB doing his 4 chord thing.

And , I suppose the final part that makes it sort of not look too bright is that he lives in some country where you buy Uranium on the black market. You have to live where the action is because you aren't going to be able to email your bosses latte. Scoring isn't done by proxy and because nobody will ever of heard his music, or if they did be impressed enough to ask him to came to LA. And that is the pickle And the sad part is that i'm even talking about scoring. You don't start scoring movies. You first start bringing lattes unless you have some particular skill and training that can be used ie orchestration and you slowly wiggle in enough that you get some co credit somewhere and after enough co credits, someone will give you a shot and it won't be a blockbuster and it will probably require the kind of music you don't know how to do and well you are fucked. Only big composers that have a style can do their style and get hired for their style.

He doesn't have the skill, he lives in the wrong area and when you look at most people in the industry and see how they made it, well you notice a trend and given the hand AB has at the moment, I think a career in film scoring is noble and cute but until he changes all those things I mentioned , basically less likely to happen than lets say Robbie not spiking his dates drink with GHB.

So that is my take on it and I really did not exaggerate anything in any way. I'm sure he is a nice guy but I do not foresee a career in film scoring. Due to his style, he has pretty much forced his working area to LA style movies. People might think, but he can work in Europe where they make movies too which they do but trust me, the music in European films is just so far removed from the bastardized LA stamp AB attempts to mimic.

Aight, Hopefully that made sense. I woke up real early today

And if his motives are financially motivated. He should do TV as the money is quite good. Most TV guys make more than movie guys. Not as fun and intense and you work around people that have hygiene issues and things are less organized and you tend to have to do many things. But there it is again , AB would have the whole style issue because for TV, you have to be diverse. You have to be able to do every style convincingly or one style that happens to click with a show and you luck out. Can you think of any show that uses epic music ? They all big fox shows like 24 (awful composer btw but still makes AB look like a kid trying to play the glockenspiel) and star-trek. So he is stuck in this one genre that he won't get booked for and the actual genre he does well he just isn't very good at it. . So there again , another road block.

And the trend with TV now is lots of pop tunes and to compose around that is well , you just can't do the stuff AB does. You have to be diverse which he clearly isn't and like before , you have to be in one of the major cities.

one more for the road

http://www.myspace.com/andyblueman/photos

He almost looks like me. Well like I have glasses like those except mine fit properly and look like perhaps I have more money than I actually do because they have this slick silver decoration thingy on the side and , my lips are not so thin with a bit more colour. I know how to shave and the moustache, ya i don't do moustachees. And my hair is less Jewfro and more like Christophen Walken from batman returns meets Beethoven which tends to make people think I'm talented. And his nostrils look a little bigger but maybe it is the camera shot.

M4B is back in the hizouse!

That was a good read I'm glad to see you posting again. I still can't tell how its so easy for you to see that his knowledge is "rudimentary" or that his productions are "deplorable".

I must be deaf because I'm just not sure what you mean by that. I also remember AB saying something about his tracks sounding better before they went in for mastering. And it seems like you can also blame the DJs as they fucked up some of his music taking out mids to mix in their sets then leaked the shit. But even hearing his music postmastering it still sounds far from deplorable.
If you'd care to elaborate I'm really just trying to tune my ears into what it is that I'm not focusing on.

Also DJ Rann about his instruments sounding "fake", Blueman uses EastWest Symphonic Orchestra which I thought was a fairly realistic sounding pack. And I always thought an ostinato was just a repeating riff that plays under other sounds or variations in the original. I definitely hear that in his music so maybe I don't understand what an ostinato is exactly.

Anyways I still think AB might be missing years of experience, application, and versatility, but I definitely don't see thousands of producers making the same quality music he is. Maybe 10 or 20, but I think he has an ear and no offense, I hear a lot of these scores in tv shows/movies and *most of it doesn't sound like magic at all. In fact, some of it sounds like pretty basic shit as far as I can hear. Give me a scene with no sound and I'll do a better job than the original, with no experience in scoring whatsover. Fuck zimmer and fuck 3 or 4 chords or 10, I'll use 100chords with 5 thousand ostinatos/staccatos/shittatos playing at once, all a while blind folded using nothing but my virus and my cock to tweak the knobs with.

But seriously, sorry to hear about your grandparents M4B hopefully they lived fullfilling lives. All of mine were gone by the time I turned 12, as my parents had me when they were like 48. Good to see you back though I've been wondering where the fuck you were.

M4B I'm not gonna comment about film music because thats out of my realm. But saying that people who like Blueman must be kids because they missed the 2000-2004 boat is a crock of shit. I've been involved in trance music since around 1997 to today, and I still like some of Blueman's stuff.

I fucking hate when people rile off words like "Generic", when they refer to trance. A song to me doesn't need to re-invent the wheel everytime just to be good. A good trance melody is a good trance melody.

Every bloody genre is generic if you listen to enough of it anyway.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad The only people that find his music appealing are the younger generation that sort of missed the boat regarding that driving melodic trance and don't' realize that there is this exact type of music, that sounds much better with less derivative boring melodies that was done from about 2000-2004. I almost feel sad for people like Kysora that just don't know about the actual stuff that pretty much is AB but not sucky done years early and happen to listen to shit because they just don't know about it. It would be like listening to Fall out Boy's version of Beat it and think thats the original.

You've shown me tracks from 2000-2004 compared to Blueman's songs and quite frankly I don't know how you can think they're exactly the same. They sound completely different to me. And I haven't heard anything that melodically sounds as good as what Blueman does from that era.

And quite honestly I can just turn around your entire argument to say "I feel bad for people like M4B who's so stuck in the early 00's for melodic trance that he refuses to acknowledge the good tracks still being released". It's like someone growing up listening to Bob Dylan thinking guitarists like Marzi Nyman or Tom Morello are out of their mind for doing what they do with their guitars

That being said that's probably not the best analogy since Andy Blueman doesn't do anything unbelievably groundbreaking musically. He just knows exactly what he's doing and exactly what will appease his audience. His music is harmonically simple, but he still spends more attention than most on his breakdowns and really knows how to create a mood and atmosphere in his tracks that most producers just don't do. What I find most surprising is of all of the uplifting artists out there, Blueman's music is probably the easiest to recognize if you didn't know who made it. I know M4B's complained that so many songs sound interchangable between artists without anyone ever having a trademark sound, but the one artist I know of that really has an identifiable sound in all of his songs is suddenly generic and 8 years too late? I don't get it.

I also think Andy might be confusing the term "film score" as a genericized term for orchestral music. His English is pretty mediocre. Maybe he's just going to start making music that's similar to Riding Through the Morning Mix or his orchestral remix of Serenity, instead of actually scoring films.

I think we're jumping to conclusions and really saying some insulting things about the guy. Let him do what he wants to do, seriously. I've seen M4B bastardize Oakenfold and some of the other top DJs have horrible reputations for ghost-writing and other weird business practices, it's just amazing that we have some kid who clearly loves writing music and has a talent for writing emotional (if not simple) melodies and everyone fucking rips on him as if he's single handedly destroying trance.

Andy Blueman is great at what he does, but the uplifting trance he has produced does not indicate whether he will be able to make it in the film industry. The music he has composed does not take much compositional skill (as with EDM music) to write but he does arrange and produce everything well in terms of the genre that he produces in, but film music is an entirely different set of skills.

This is not to say that he does not have the potential to succeed, but what he has done so far does not prove him anything in terms of his aspirations yet. I personally think he needs to take some formal education in film scoring and understand all the music theory behind composition before he can start actually pursuing any endeavors in film composition.

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Originally posted by J.L. Andy Blueman is great at what he does, but the uplifting trance he has produced does not indicate whether he will be able to make it in the film industry. The music he has composed does not take much compositional skill (as with EDM music) to write but he does arrange and produce everything well in terms of the genre that he produces in, but film music is an entirely different set of skills. This is not to say that he does not have the potential to succeed, but what he has done so far does not prove him anything in terms of his aspirations yet. I personally think he needs to take some formal education in film scoring and understand all the music theory behind composition before he can start actually pursuing any endeavors in film composition.

This is whatI've been getting at.

While richie (m4b) may be harsh, he bang on, and frankly if you think he's harsh, you should try the film industry - from my experiences, and even I've been very fortunate and lucky to have had a good path and work with some great people (Tom Morello included lol), it can be a cold hard relaity check for some, especially for those who "think" they have the goods.

I think your definition of orchestral tinged dance music rather than film music is far more accurate for AB.

Score is exactly that: scoring music to picture, and that's a whole different ballgame and other skillset, which, trust me is far removed from making EDM with some orchestral samples.

btw, Eastwest is OK, but it's kind of starting rung on the ladder.as I said before, I could literally tell within a couple of seconds they were fake and lacked the modulation. I will give him that his mixes are quite good and I reckon the reason he doesn't like mastering on his tracks is that they over compress the strings, which thankfully doesn't happen too often in score engineering.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox But seriously, sorry to hear about your grandparents M4B hopefully they lived fullfilling lives. All of mine were gone by the time I turned 12, as my parents had me when they were like 48. Good to see you back though I've been wondering where the fuck you were.

well we are all anticipating granddad passing on as he was getting quite senile talking about leprechauns and his memory wasn't no so great and so we were all quite glad. I mean the last 10 years, he has developed this whole universe of leprechauns and writes their names down so he doesn't forget. He was never in a bad mood tho and always started every conversation as time went on with whats my name, oh yes Richard, and start talking about the little people but in a way that was sort of like he was letting me into this secret society and that its kinda classified. The level of detail was incredible tho. Like either he was fucking crazy, or this was all true or it was the longest running practical joke of all time. My grandma never really lost it and thought his stories were absurd and she would test him about names and events but he would grab his diary, and show the time and place and the description. You just had to witness it. I mean he could talk hours and hours about the little people. What they ate, What happens if you see one. What happens if you catch one. What happens if you find their hideout. The different ranks, the age and how many kids they had and how big the babies were and how long they've been around. Just fucking Epic. Like he just watched Darby Ogill and the little people every day for 20 years while on acid. I remember being 14 and asking about them, and even then he had theories and was excited about the questions because he felt he had the scoop. And this was when he was kinda losing it but still able to express him self quite well. And he would just salivate at any leprechaun questions because he thought of himself as one of the most knowledgable people in Ireland on the topic. Actually the first thing we did was find his diaries as he was quite secret about the diaries. He would not let you look at them ever and keep them in a chest that was locked. He considered himself in a position of extreme knowledge as they had chosen him to be seen , yup, they can chose if they want you to see them, and to let his book out to the public would be a a huge blow for the little people as they did not want to be bothered and with all that information he was privy to, he had a duty to keep it under wraps.

When his memory was ok , and he found out that lets say I had told my sister something that he told me, he said he was very disappointed and that this information should be kept secret. Every so often, he would grab the diary and we would ask if he saw them and he scoffed like we were being stupid. WHy would they be here on a monday because he also knew apparently what they liked to do on different days. He also felt like we were being quite egotistical like as if a leprechaun would visit with so many people around. Nope, he would just write as he said a name or event he felt he should be more specific.I remember looking over his shoulder and there was the heading, Garments, and then this subheading shoes or something like that then the name I couldn't read and there was blue/green with a question mark and some math equation to represent his level of how certain he was. I also remember on the back , as he often closed it quick , there were the names of the bad leprechauns with fucking sketches abd as you can imagine being an engineer, his drawing was quite detailed and good. I remember one drawing I saw, he like had measurements of the height and had a theory that involved a class system that took height into account and also, he could tell you the size of the feet relative to the height as the ratio is not quite human.

As far as grandma, well we were all a little upset in that the timing was not very considerate. I mean we could of had them done at the same day had she not waited 3 days.

But really, they were quite old and both passed away naturally in their sleep and they didn't really have any major health issues other than getting old and the things that happen when you get old. Both were 101. And my nuttiness is probably hereditary but unfortunately because i am only 50% Irish , there is absolutely no way to ever see a leprechaun. Oh and if you were a protestant , you also did not have the chance and if you were catholic but lived in northern ireland, you also would never see one because he said they all live in the south.

Very interesting people with so many stories. I mean the leprechaun stories were epic and detailed like a Tolkien book but his work during world war 2 being some high level scientist that designed or had something to do with designing planes just cool. He would talk bout how he sometimes wished the Germans had hired him instead as they had more technology and he felt the British never wanted to just go crazy and make something that ok , might not be exactly what we need but fuck is this cool. He claims that he could of made the v2 rocket way better but you have to remember this is the guy that started seeing the small people as he would say. He did like the german designs and was a little jealous of their planes and although he thought the bombing was not the greatest thing, he did not really like the Brits at all as most Irishmen at the time felt. But he also did not like the Germans for reasons that were silly. He hated german folklore and balked at its sillyness and that the whole judging someone by their noses was quite silly as everyone knew it was the ears that showed whether you were smart or not. And his biggest reason for not liking them was that they were not catholic. Being catholic in Ireland was and kinda still is apparently a big thing. they treated it as a like a football team. Nobody really cares about it unlike Americans in that they went to Church but didn't really pay attention but like it was still a big thing and to not be catholic, like they made a big deal about it.


He always wanted to be close but not too close to hear the Stuka on a bombing run as he said the sound they make was absolutely brilliant like a wailing horn one might blast at a mega rave. He was pretty jealous of most of their designs as he said the Germans cared about aesthetics and not just performance and he felt the British made such ugly planes, ugly uniforms, ugly people. So while these raids went on were he was, I don't think it was in London but they were trying to hit the factories , he would sneak up with binoculars as they sometimes did day runs for more precise targets and hope to see a Stuka dive bomb the tank plant across the road. He was arrested a few times for being out during an air raid and until they realized where he worked and what he did, they thought he was some spy that parachuted in as that happened quite often and well the British did not really care for the Irish to start off with.

Anyways fucking epic that leprechaun shit, not quite back. Taking a few more weeks off while I go to places in Europe. Last stop is palm's house.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Last stop is palm's house.

cant wait. hope you are ready for stucked up dinner partys with couples only cause thats all i do now. bring your gf, suite up, and be ready to spend money.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Raphie: there is still plenty of money to be made with edm. you just need to know where to look . Especially as a label.

This interests me storyteller. A lot of pro's in interveiws say thier is no money in releasing. Then I see comment like yours stating there is - who is right here?

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