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Originally posted by VDub Hey Weiner. Just outta curiosity, did you or Eli see pictures of the procedure before you made that decision??

Do you think i'm a fucking moron? like i didn't know what the procedure was? like OH SNAP THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS?! Eli and i have 6 nephews that our older then our kids, and they are all circumcised as well, so no i didn't feel obligated to search google for pictures of little boys penis'.
don't you have kids as well? why don't you tell me what kind of parenting choices you've made? Also, this is the first time you've said anything to me on these forums, if it was just to criticize me as a parent, then fuck off.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/...-foreskin.html There are many others using foreskin for medical research. No permission is asked to use the samples either. We think they just put it in the medical waste bin, but this is not always the case. Human tissue is a valuable commodity in the science world. I'm all for this, medical research saves lives, but it is sneaky to do this without the public at large knowing what is happening to their child's skin...even if it would otherwise be discarded. The business of foreskin is not exactly the backbone of the economy, but the vested interest both scientifically and financially are still large enough to lobby for circumcision. I'm biased for sure, but find this somewhat unethical.

i have no problem with my sons foreskin being used for medical research as long as it's not being sold. i also listed both my kids as organ donors. but i'm sure that's another fucking horrible grotesque choice i've made.

Watching the Bullshit episode and after watching the horrible, bloody scenes of the little boys' foreskins and hearing them scream like they were suffering the most traumatic pain ever imaginable, I can safely say that circumcision on male infants is as much of a human rights violation as it is on female infants.

And all this to prevent them from jerking off. This moral is sickening me and should in one way or another be abolished (without forcing a ban of course).

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Originally posted by pointPi Watching the Bullshit episode and after watching the horrible, bloody scenes of the little boys' foreskins and hearing them scream like they were suffering the most traumatic pain ever imaginable, I can safely say that circumcision on male infants is as much of a human rights violation as it is on female infants. And all this to prevent them from jerking off. This moral is sickening me and should in one way or another be abolished (without forcing a ban of course).

Not sure if serious.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel i have no problem with my sons foreskin being used for medical research as long as it's not being sold. i also listed both my kids as organ donors. but i'm sure that's another fucking horrible grotesque choice i've made.

You have no problem paying for something in which the medical institution might profit on though? I have no qualms with the actual research itself.

I'm not anti circumcision meg, I'm "pro choice" (how cliche).

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Not sure if serious.

watch the episode. It is pretty graphic and brutal. Obviously they position themselves more to one side on the show, but they do give time to both sides and make fun of both. I actually like that show quite a bit...i only recently downloaded errr bought the 8 seasons that exist.

wtf? i have no problem with my kids masturbating... and my husband went in the room with the doctor when it was done and the only time he cried was when he had the needle for a bit of freezing.

I meant about the assumption that its purpose is to prevent kids from masturbating.

It was done for this reason as well, but we are (mostly) talking about a long time ago. Now it has become a social norm of sorts because of it being something that has been done for a very long time now. Kind of like religion was in the 50's.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay You have no problem paying for asomething in which the medical institution might profit on though? I have no qualms with the actual research itself. I'm not anti circumcision meg, i'm "pro choice" (how cliche).

no i do have a problem with that

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Originally posted by srussell0018 You should probably back off of a mother and the decisions she made for her children as a parent. Just sayin'

Being a father myself, I would NEVER question her decision with this...

I was just wondering if they saw pics...

I'm not against circumcision just like I'm not against hunting...

I just won't do it myself..

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel Do you think i'm a fucking moron? like i didn't know what the procedure was? like OH SNAP THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS?! Eli and i have 6 nephews that our older then our kids, and they are all circumcised as well, so no i didn't feel obligated to search google for pictures of little boys penis'. don't you have kids as well? why don't you tell me what kind of parenting choices you've made? Also, this is the first time you've said anything to me on these forums, if it was just to criticize me as a parent, then fuck off.

Lol. I knew I was gonna see this down the page after I read Rusty's comment..

I did mean what I said in my reply...

FYI. I didn't look it up on the net. They displayed the pictures and explained everything at the hospital when it was coming up on time to decide...


And please don't yell at me. I have feelings...

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay you know what prevents HIV better than circumcision? Condoms. Watch that Bullshit episode i posted guys. They laugh at both sides...as well as show how much statistics are purely invented or on done on 3rd world sample populations where hygiene, education and medicine are sub par compared to the developed world. These people are more likely to die or contract everything. Circumcision is not evil, but lets face it 98% (i can invent numbers too...look deeper into those studies to both pkc and spam ) of the time it is for cosmetic/theological reasons. Chopping off a foot can save you from gangrene, but I wouldn't exactly do it as a preventative measure now would I? Human beings are sturdy animals, and via the wonders of evolution have managed to be at the top of the chain species wise on this planet. I'm wiling to trust what nature seemed appropriate, over a guy with pubic hair sideburns in a funny hat. As far as the medical or scientific communities? They can't even agree and post conflicting "well researched" studies constantly. Some refuse to even do the procedure anymore. Some say that it should absolutely be done. Who is really right? No one is calling anyone a butcher. I just think that giving young men the choice is not dangerous and honestly is the fairest thing. Girls with nice breasts are generally more socially accepted no?. Would you put breast implants in a child (without giving them a choice) to make sure she fits in with her peers? At the same time do you know that breast implants actually significantly decrease the risk of breast cancer? It really should be done at birth to save lives imo. Your mothers are all cunts...for stealing your skins.

Christ Pastaman, I applaud you in this thread. Smashed it right there! Treat yourself to an espresso, it's on me!

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Originally posted by VDub Lol. I knew I was gonna see this down the page after I read Rusty's comment.. I did mean what I said in my reply... FYI. I didn't look it up on the net. They displayed the pictures and explained everything at the hospital when it was coming up on time to decide... And please don't yell at me. I have feelings...

lol, ok just making sure.. i don't care if people think it's acceptable or not, i just believe that people have the right to make a choice. and as a parent yourself, i'm sure you know just what i mean.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay No one is calling anyone a butcher. I just think that giving young men the choice is not dangerous and honestly is the fairest thing. Girls with nice breasts are generally more socially accepted no?. Would you put breast implants in a child (without giving them a choice) to make sure she fits in with her peers? At the same time do you know that breast implants actually significantly decrease the risk of breast cancer? It really should be done at birth to save lives imo.

I didn't even get my daughter's ears pierced because I view it as a decision only she has the right to make. I'm with you on this point Jay... if it isn't medically necessary any decisions with regard to modifying one's body should be left up to the individual to make when they are of sufficient competence to make them. My son will be more then welcome to get circumcised should he choose that for himself. This is a reflection of my personal values though, I don't impose them on others.

Please note; I am not in any way suggesting that anyone who does have their son(s) circumcised is making a poor decision or has done anything disagreeable.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I didn't even get my daughter's ears pierced because I view it as a decision only she has the right to make. I'm with you on this point Jay... if it isn't medically necessary any decisions with regard to modifying one's body should be left up to the individual to make when they are of sufficient competence to make them. My son will be more then welcome to get circumcised should he choose that for himself. This is a reflection of my personal values though, I don't impose them on others. Please note; I am not in any way suggesting that anyone who does have their son(s) circumcised is making a poor decision or has done anything disagreeable.

But off the record you are ya?

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel lol, ok just making sure.. i don't care if people think it's acceptable or not, i just believe that people have the right to make a choice. and as a parent yourself, i'm sure you know just what i mean.

Wiener, take no notice of the kids here challenging your choice. As you are well aware; parents have to make choices. Intent needs to be the yardstick of virtue... if you did what you honestly believe to be in the best interest of your son then good on you.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel lol, ok just making sure.. i don't care if people think it's acceptable or not, i just believe that people have the right to make a choice. and as a parent yourself, i'm sure you know just what i mean.

100%

And WTF with me agreeing with fuckin Jay???

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I didn't even get my daughter's ears pierced because I view it as a decision only she has the right to make. I'm with you on this point Jay... if it isn't medically necessary any decisions with regard to modifying one's body should be left up to the individual to make when they are of sufficient competence to make them. My son will be more then welcome to get circumcised should he choose that for himself. This is a reflection of my personal values though, I don't impose them on others. Please note; I am not in any way suggesting that anyone who does have their son(s) circumcised is making a poor decision or has done anything disagreeable.

I agree with all of this as well. The day (if i have one...i'll be punished and have 5 girls, watch this) my son says, "Dad I want to be circumcised.", I will be on the phone within minutes making the appointment to have it done if I believe it is what he truly wants.

To me it isn't about him looking the same as me. To me, it is about giving someone the proper information and letting it run with it how they see fit. I'm no parent, but I'm pretty sure that the motives behind most of my future parenting will be along those lines. Preparation to be who they want vs molding them to be what you want.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Please note; I am not in any way suggesting that anyone who does have their son(s) circumcised is making a poor decision or has done anything disagreeable.

You really do have to cover your ass in this thread, eh??

SHEESH!!

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Originally posted by VDub You really do have to cover your ass in this thread, eh?? SHEESH!!

Partly that; however, to me it seems the negative effects of circumcision are negligable as are the benefits. I ultimately see it as a net-zero proposition (assuming no complications with the proceedure). I don't see there as being any strong reasons for either having it done or not (excluding religious belief). I don't have a strong position for or against circumcision itself; my only position is that since it isn't my penis I don't feel I should be the one making the decision.

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Originally posted by VDub 100% And WTF with me agreeing with fuckin Jay???

I'm shocked too. I never thought I would.

Who gets Aids first then? Come on with it now chaps, this pill expires in 4 hours.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Partly that; however, to me it seems the negative effects of circumcision are negligable as are the benefits. I ultimately see it as a net-zero proposition (assuming no complications with the proceedure). I don't see there as being any strong reasons for either having it done or not (excluding religious belief). I don't have a strong position for or against circumcision itself; my only position is that since it isn't my penis I don't feel I should be the one making the decision.

We felt the same about they pros and cons as well...

Until we saw those pictures...

We made up our minds very quickly after that...



Speaking on getting it done later in life, isn't it a much bigger, more risky deal??

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Originally posted by VDub Speaking on getting it done later in life, isn't it a much bigger, more risky deal??

I'm not certain whether or not it's more risky; however, the pain is nearly certain to be more pronounced (or at least persons who have it done as adults are better able to articulate the severity and duration of the pain/discomfort then are children). My understanding is that AJ got circumcised as an adult (not certain what motivated that decision)... it's too bad some jaded, jilted, jealous homewrecker chased him off; otherwise we could ask him.

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