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GET THAT BULLSHIT OUT OF HERE..

let's see, next post will be loose change i bet

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit GET THAT BULLSHIT OUT OF HERE.. let's see, next post will be loose change i bet

How's it bullshit?







Fax your reply, please.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Do you have a credible source for any of your conjecture about explosions prior to plane crashes or windows being blown out? The scope of your knowledge - qualified with the phrase, "as far as I know" - seems rather paltry against the scope of the public record. As far as I know, you're either not very good at trolling or you suffer from an advanced form of scoliosis, so severe, that it has impelled your head almost completely up your ass.

I first saw a video of someone beside the first tower saying "What the fuck was that" after hearing an explosion. Few seconds later you can see the plane flying in which causes another explosion of course. Couldn't find that video any more after I read some more. Maybe it's still in my Opera cache. Of course I know the video can be a fake like any video can be.

With "as far as I know" I meant that that is what I have heard on t.v. or read on internet. No way I can check whether the source is reliable or not.
But hey if you think WTC7 didn't collapse at 911, a whole lot of sites are showing a wrong date.
This one was interesting too:
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.co...liam-rodriguez/

it's overtly dramatized bullshit. While i obviously do agree that there was no proper pretext to the war in iraq, jumping the gun and saying that in fact bush had been complicit in the 9/11 situation is a grotesque and opportunistic move that feeds the fuel to the flame of gullable and ignorant 9/11 truthers.


here's something to start you off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahren...sumed_innocence


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as well:




1:31 please.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit

You know you're clutching at straws when you have to resort to Chris Hitchens.

9/11 film has zero to do with conspricay theories. It's just plain fact. Of course it's used to form a view, but ultimately it is the simple truth. And it makes people uncomfortable.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I first saw a video of someone beside the first tower saying "What the fuck was that" after hearing an explosion. Few seconds later you can see the plane flying in which causes another explosion of course. Couldn't find that video any more after I read some more. Maybe it's still in my Opera cache. Of course I know the video can be a fake like any video can be. With "as far as I know" I meant that that is what I have heard on t.v. or read on internet. No way I can check whether the source is reliable or not. But hey if you think WTC7 didn't collapse at 911, a whole lot of sites are showing a wrong date. This one was interesting too: http://truthandshadows.wordpress.co...liam-rodriguez/

Maybe it was building 6 I was thinking of when I recalled a story about a building being deliberately demolished, in the aftermath of 9-11. Regardless, I was wrong when I said they demolished building 7 that did, in fact, fall on 9-11. The only problem is that it's nearly impossible to find any website to get a verifiable citation because Google is fucking clogged with a metric-fuck-ton of this god-damned, motherfucking truther bullshit!

You're replying with a citation from one such website and so concludes our discussion while I seek a more stimulating intellectual discourse, replete with cold, hard facts and absent of untethered conjecture in any form, by slamming my head repeatedly in a fucking car door.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB With "as far as I know" I meant that that is what I have heard on t.v. or read on internet. No way I can check whether the source is reliable or not. But hey if you think WTC7 didn't collapse at 911, a whole lot of sites are showing a wrong date.

And have you read NIST�s report on why 7 collapsed? I bet you haven�t.

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Originally posted by enydo

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Maybe it was building 6 I was thinking of when I recalled a story about a building being deliberately demolished, in the aftermath of 9-11. Regardless, I was wrong when I said they demolished building 7 that did, in fact, fall on 9-11. The only problem is that it's nearly impossible to find any website to get a verifiable citation because Google is fucking clogged with a metric-fuck-ton of this god-damned, motherfucking truther bullshit! You're replying with a citation from one such website and so concludes our discussion while I seek a more stimulating intellectual discourse, replete with cold, hard facts and absent of untethered conjecture in any form, by slamming my head repeatedly in a fucking car door.

Here, let me help you out with that:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...tecture/4278874

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The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning's press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. "WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires." Conspiracy theorists have long pointed to the collapse of the 47-story structure as key evidence that the U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks. No planes struck the building, and the commonly available views of the exterior didn't show significant damage. Yet, at 5:20 pm, 7 hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers (WTC 1 and 2), WTC 7 rapidly fell in on itself. Since WTC 7 housed Secret Service and CIA offices, conspiracy theorists claimed that the building was destroyed in a controlled demolition in order to obliterate evidence of the U.S. government's complicity in the terrorist attacks. "It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved," stated actress and TV personality Rosie O'Donnell of ABC's The View in March 2007. "For the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible," she said. Today's report confirms that a fire was, indeed, the cause. "This is the first time that we are aware of, that a building taller than about 15 stories has collapsed primarily due to fires," Sunder told reporters at the press conference. "What we found was that uncontrolled building fires--similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings--caused an extraordinary event, the collapse of WTC7." The unprecedented nature of the event means that understanding the precise mechanism of the collapse is important not just to answer conspiracy theorists' questions, but to improve safety standards in the engineering of large buildings. The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These uncontrolled fires in WTC 7 eventually spread to the northeast part of the building, where the collapse began.

So apparently it wasn't a conspiracy, just a poorly designed building taken out by a fire.

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Originally posted by Zharen Here, let me help you out with that:

I should have thought of that because, now, I remember Popular Mechanics did a huge rebuttal of the truther arguments, a while back. Thanks.









OMFG! I'm a fucking idiot, tadoy!

I'm not going to state anything about 9/11, but i am interested in the truth. Point me into the direction i need to.

Also, i want to know PKCs opinion. Seems he's revered here for a theory. If you don't mind PKC, give me a run down or a link from another forum.


Curious Knowhope

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Maybe it was building 6 I was thinking of when I recalled a story about a building being deliberately demolished, in the aftermath of 9-11. Regardless, I was wrong when I said they demolished building 7 that did, in fact, fall on 9-11. The only problem is that it's nearly impossible to find any website to get a verifiable citation because Google is fucking clogged with a metric-fuck-ton of this god-damned, motherfucking truther bullshit! You're replying with a citation from one such website and so concludes our discussion while I seek a more stimulating intellectual discourse, replete with cold, hard facts and absent of untethered conjecture in any form, by slamming my head repeatedly in a fucking car door.

Your thoughts were exactly the same a that Dutch demolition expert. He also believed other buildings got demolished later.
When I look at some Airplane crash investigations on Discovery then sometimes I'm very impressed in what they were able to find as cause for accidents. Most of the times they explain it that well that there is very little space for other causes. In this case in my opinion there is space left. I think is't interesting, but at the same time realize far worse things happen like the earthquake in Pakistan and Kashmir where in 2005 74,000 people died.

Don't damage that door.


These videos I think were interesting, but I don't know if these were the ones I saw first. Strange yes, prove anything, no, it's not enough for that, but witnesses also don't make it clear:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread492124/pg3

Other thread still same subject:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread573791/pg1

My father is an engineer with a doctorate in concrete and several years of research in the subject. I never got deep into the subject, but he said that the planes would be more than adequate to cause the buildings collapse. Yet again, RIP all the people and my condolences to the families.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB www.abovetopsecret.com

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Originally posted by Trance-MB demolition expert.

danny jowenko was not a demolitions expert. Which you would know had you actually done the due diligence.

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Originally posted by knowhope I'm not going to state anything about 9/11, but i am interested in the truth. Point me into the direction i need to. Also, i want to know PKCs opinion. Seems he's revered here for a theory. If you don't mind PKC, give me a run down or a link from another forum. Curious Knowhope

19 islamic terrorists crashed 4 planes, 3 into buildings. towers 1 & 2 collapsed due to many factors, primarily fire (fireproofing was weakened in initial explosion) and damage, where the building could no longer distribute the loads required to remain standing. The fire drastically reduced the strength of the steel in the building. The collapse of 1 &/or 2 took a huge chunk out of 7 and started a fire. Building 7 burned for approx. 7 hours and then collapsed, the primary reason being the unfought fires which caused thermal expansion and a primary column of the building gave way (forget which column) which caused a catastrophic failure. Flight 77 was crashed into the pentagon. When passengers on flight 93 learned what the hijackers had in store for them (the likely targets would have been the capitol or white house), they made an effort to take back the plane, and it crashed in a field. The ensuing investigation was the largest forensic investigation in the nation�s history, and included thousands of personnel from various private and public agencies.

That�s about it. All very simple and substantiated by the evidence. The fantastic theories that float around are nonsense peddled by people with brain injuries and poor hygiene.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Your thoughts were exactly the same a that Dutch demolition expert. He also believed other buildings got demolished later. When I look at some Airplane crash investigations on Discovery then sometimes I'm very impressed in what they were able to find as cause for accidents. Most of the times they explain it that well that there is very little space for other causes. In this case in my opinion there is space left. I think is't interesting, but at the same time realize far worse things happen like the earthquake in Pakistan and Kashmir where in 2005 74,000 people died. Don't damage that door. These videos I think were interesting, but I don't know if these were the ones I saw first. Strange yes, prove anything, no, it's not enough for that, but witnesses also don't make it clear: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread492124/pg3 Other thread still same subject: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread573791/pg1

*drools on floor while applying anti-perspirant to concave impact deformity of skull*

Trance-MB is full of shit, as usual.

The collapse of the towers seemed odd as the main factor of their destruction were planes driven into them. Why would it fall without an inclining angle? Also, how come security tapes and black box weren't released publicly? We can't forget how the FBI also reported finding a terrorist passport in the WTC rubble, which they also did not release.

I can understand these questions can be of an annoyance, since you can find them in conspiracy movies. So i will ask you a more direct question.
Where might i obtain credible evidence from a credible source, a real run down of the whole incident without any substantial evidence.

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Originally posted by knowhope The collapse of the towers seemed odd as the main factor of their destruction were planes driven into them. Why would it fall without an inclining angle?

I think this confusion is driven by the lack of appreciation for the nature of the the twin towers� design.

Normal office building structure:



Twin towers design (note the supporting steel is almost completely on the exterior of the building):



shown here:



here is a single floor that shows the relatively small amount of support each floor had with the adjoining steel walls:



Can you imagine those floors giving way? I can.

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Originally posted by knowhope Also, how come security tapes and black box weren't released publicly?

I am not sure the black boxes from the WTC were ever recovered. The black boxes from shankesville and the pentagon were released as far as I know.

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Originally posted by knowhope We can't forget how the FBI also reported finding a terrorist passport in the WTC rubble, which they also did not release.

Pretty sure I�ve seen pictures of it so that�s released as far as I�m concerned. There were personal effects found after the recent shuttle explosion too. Small items can make it through explosions (check out the debris flying out of the towers after each plane hit).

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Originally posted by knowhope I can understand these questions can be of an annoyance, since you can find them in conspiracy movies. So i will ask you a more direct question. Where might i obtain credible evidence from a credible source, a real run down of the whole incident without any substantial evidence.

Did you mean �without any substantial bias�?

Covers virtually all claims, you can click through it at your leisure.
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

mother of lord. It's Soviet style construction... Make it look strong and cool, but the innards all cheaply done.

The site is what i was looking for. Thanks

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Originally posted by knowhope mother of lord. It's Soviet style construction... Make it look strong and cool, but the innards all cheaply done.

haha, im not sure it�s quite that bad; the towers� construction was designed to maximise floor space. And they both still stood for an hour or so after being hit by planes flown at full tilt.

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Originally posted by knowhope The site is what i was looking for. Thanks

No probs. I don�t mind asking honest questions. It�s the BS intellectual dishonesty of truthers that drives me nuts.

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