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Originally posted by trancinchink well-written statements that refuted his ideology.

Which statements?

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Originally posted by trancinchink I found it interesting how Doombot was able to make several well articulated arguments against Eco but was somehow unable to comprehend Eco's simple, well-written statements that refuted his ideology. Just an observation.

wait, you mean to say you actually read all of that hailee? lol

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Originally posted by pyro264jb We need to get some big bands/djs involved with this. The musical acts will draw more attention to the cause.

honestly these people need some sort of leader/ a list of demands who knows what they are talking about not just "iam part of the 99% not the 1%"
a bunch of hippies sitting around with sign's and just curseing the goverment all day is getting them no where in what they are trying to achive
it's good to see labor union's starting to show some support also

as long as I can afford Beer Im happy .....

I think this should all be resolved now...

Paul Oakenfold is occupyingwall street

I am too lazy to read through this entire post but the amount of police brutality and lack of proper media coverage is crazy to me and I stand by these people for voicing their opinions and following through- what happened to freedom of speech.

They have official clan rallies that run smoother than this.

[URL=]NYPD blues[/URL]

not that i don't agree with you, I believe the media should point out the excessive force and the abuse of the first amendment but im glad that the tv is not focused on this. im afraid that if they do this will turn into a cop-vs-civil media coverage. and lose focus on the real matters. just my opinion.

Wow this is getting unbelievable now:

http://bostonglobe.com/





This is just riling the people up even more, this is just recruiting more heads for the cause. I'm losing faith in this country being a "land of the free". Plenty people around me have been cynical about that for years, but only now am I starting to realize how far away are the days we have any civil liberties in this country

Yeah it's "all a bunch of kid hippies who need a job", everyone:

http://www.twitvid.com/J8KFK

^^ Veterans For Peace were one of the first groups to get arrested last night.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco I'm losing faith in this country being a "land of the free".

thats what they claim to be, but it never was to begin with. and this goes way back to the days when even black ppl weren't allowed to be in a "white" park, bus, etc...WHILE they were forced to sing the Star Spangle Banner where the lyrics were nothing but a contradiction to them- "land of the free"- how ironic.

I think the most important thing you can do now is support them either by physically being there or by continuing to spread the word/images/videos of what is going on through all your social media networks- we can not expect "our" local news to tell us any truth in regards to this but I bet we all will know whats happening with Ashton and Demi- smfh.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Yeah it's "all a bunch of kid hippies who need a job", everyone: http://www.twitvid.com/J8KFK ^^ Veterans For Peace were one of the first groups to get arrested last night.

are you surprised Boston PD overreacts? I mean come on.. let's not forget what happened when a couple of people were advertising an Aqua Teen Hunger Force film a few years ago...

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Originally posted by AY STAR honestly these people need some sort of leader/ a list of demands who knows what they are talking about not just "iam part of the 99% not the 1%" a bunch of hippies sitting around with sign's and just curseing the goverment all day is getting them no where in what they are trying to achive it's good to see labor union's starting to show some support also

^this.

The protesters really need someone to be their voice. The frustration needs to be more organized and focused.

I hate to say this, but I really don't think they'll be taken seriously without mobilizing violently, and I don't necessarily mean riots. As long as Suits maintain the kind of leverage they have with the media, police depts, legal system etc, there won't be anything compelling them to take protesters seriously.

To be truly taken seriously, people need to get together and organize assassinations on some of the major players in the so-called upper 1%. Take out 1 prominent CEO a week, or even every few weeks. Target them, target their families and friends. Let the people running shit know that this stuff is real, and that they're not safe as long as it continues.

I think the main reason hippies get so little respect is because none of them are willing to do some crazy shit like that. The majority of them return to middle class homes at the end of the day. None of them are suffering that much, and so they're not as impassioned or enraged as they should be for things to really get done. Conditions haven't gotten bad enough yet that anyone would actually be willing to take someone else's life, or even their own, for any particular cause.

It really takes a lot of suffering to adopt a "By any means necessary!" mentality, and I'm not suggesting that it would be the right course of action either, but I think it's something that has to happen at some point in order for any real progress to take place. Things have been set up the way they have been in this country for so long. The physical presence of protesters is a good thing, but civil disobedience, and peaceful protest won't be enough.

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Oh come now, that's just being silly.

I was never under the impression that anyone was saying corporations or capitalism are bad. I believe it's more about the current climate in which our government and corporates operate in. The US government works mostly at the interest of those with enough money to fund their campaigns.

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Originally posted by Frequency Frank

That's such a simplistic argument and is nothing but nonsense. Because our highest levels of government have been corrupted over the past 30 years which led to a massive consolidation of financial power and wealth, $10+trillion dollars stolen from the middle class in the 2008 crash, and millions of jobs decimated I'm supposed to not have a Sprint phone?

These are the types of arguments that only people who made up their mind about the OWS movement within the first 5 seconds of hearing about it hold onto.

Also, we should really stop referring to the protesters as hippies. That might have been true for the first week of the protest, but the group of marchers is incredibly diverse. Literally all ages, races, occupations and backgrounds. I know first impressions stick, but go down and meet with the people marching on the weekend and you'll see how flawed that view is.

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Originally posted by Blake ^this. The protesters really need someone to be their voice. The frustration needs to be more organized and focused. I hate to say this, but I really don't think they'll be taken seriously without mobilizing violently, and I don't necessarily mean riots. As long as Suits maintain the kind of leverage they have with the media, police depts, legal system etc, there won't be anything compelling them to take protesters seriously. To be truly taken seriously, people need to get together and organize assassinations on some of the major players in the so-called upper 1%. Take out 1 prominent CEO a week, or even every few weeks. Target them, target their families and friends. Let the people running shit know that this stuff is real, and that they're not safe as long as it continues. I think the main reason hippies get so little respect is because none of them are willing to do some crazy shit like that. The majority of them return to middle class homes at the end of the day. None of them are suffering that much, and so they're not as impassioned or enraged as they should be for things to really get done. Conditions haven't gotten bad enough yet that anyone would actually be willing to take someone else's life, or even their own, for any particular cause. It really takes a lot of suffering to adopt a "By any means necessary!" mentality, and I'm not suggesting that it would be the right course of action either, but I think it's something that has to happen at some point in order for any real progress to take place. Things have been set up the way they have been in this country for so long. The physical presence of protesters is a good thing, but civil disobedience, and peaceful protest won't be enough.

I totally agree with this. The fact of the matter is that the ones who should be out there the most just don't have the time for it cos they are working 3 jobs to be able to put some food on the table for their kids; they simply have no time. I'm glad there is a bit of a sense of solidarity because the ones that do have the time do it for the ones that can't.

Sadly though, history has only proven that revolutions invariably bring bloodshed. It hasn't gotten to that point yet, and honestly, I don't see it in the immediate future. It will take a lot more time and a lot more suffering for people to want to take matters in their own hands. But it will def happen; in a way, it's some sort of cycle like Marx said it best. Class struggle brings tension and when things just can't get any worse, the working class rise to wreck some shit because they're being done wrong and there's a revolution to overthrow the people in power who just take for their own personal gain. A revolution is def coming, but things are only going to get more and more violent, they just have to. Nothing will be accomplished whatsoever with the daily drum circles. Come on now, whoever thinks that a solution can be reached without some violence must be on some serious Hippy Flip. That shit is just fucking retarded, revolutions don't start with chanting and breaking bread with the cops This coming revolution is not the first one and will most certainly not be the last. That Bologna asshole that pepper-sprayed the women would've been lynched already if this was Rome (Berlusconi must be shitting his pants now, can't wait to see how it all develops in Italy).

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Originally posted by matt167698 That's such a simplistic argument and is nothing but nonsense. Because our highest levels of government have been corrupted over the past 30 years which led to a massive consolidation of financial power and wealth, $10+trillion dollars stolen from the middle class in the 2008 crash, and millions of jobs decimated I'm supposed to not have a Sprint phone? These are the types of arguments that only people who made up their mind about the OWS movement within the first 5 seconds of hearing about it hold onto. Also, we should really stop referring to the protesters as hippies. That might have been true for the first week of the protest, but the group of marchers is incredibly diverse. Literally all ages, races, occupations and backgrounds. I know first impressions stick, but go down and meet with the people marching on the weekend and you'll see how flawed that view is.

The pic was really just to fuel the fire, so mission accomplished

Regarding he people at the protest, I work across the street from it, and have gotten a dirty look every time I walk by wearing a suit. I've also seen it turn from a protest against "corporate greed", to an anti-NYPD statement. I know there have been some minor conflicts, but ironically the NYPD is working to keep the protesters safe. Think of it this way; if some retard came up and wanted to start shooting at the protesters, who would bring that person? Not Johnny cardboard sign...

I could write a whole drawn out post about my views on this whole thing, but I think everyone has pretty much made up their minds. I would only say that hopefully there isn't violence and bloodshed on the horizon, and that the OWS crew is able to explain their views in a logical manner to those in power.

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Originally posted by Frequency Frank The pic was really just to fuel the fire, so mission accomplished Regarding he people at the protest, I work across the street from it, and have gotten a dirty look every time I walk by wearing a suit. I've also seen it turn from a protest against "corporate greed", to an anti-NYPD statement. I know there have been some minor conflicts, but ironically the NYPD is working to keep the protesters safe. Think of it this way; if some retard came up and wanted to start shooting at the protesters, who would bring that person? Not Johnny cardboard sign... I could write a whole drawn out post about my views on this whole thing, but I think everyone has pretty much made up their minds. I would only say that hopefully there isn't violence and bloodshed on the horizon, and that the OWS crew is able to explain their views in a logical manner to those in power.

Idk, this might be a thing where people see what they want to see. I've gone down there many times after work in dress pants and a dress shirt and never been treated any differently. I mean I could say the same thing about the few times I was handing out literature around the park to people passing by - you wanna talk about dirty looks? On some level I'm sure it goes both ways. I just see those people as the aberration; and it probably confirms your suspicions about the movement. And we're probably both right and both wrong to a certain degree.

However, I'd also disagree with it becoming anti-nypd, all the signs with NYPD on it are basically saying you are one of us. People obviously get pissed when arrests start going down, but the other 95% of the time it's been an extremely cordial relationship b/w us and the police.

i stand in solidarity with this movement however i agree that peace,civil dissobediance can only do so much. It will take alot more then that and i'm talking about real revolutionary change, revolutions no matter how you look at it have always been violent.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 i stand in solidarity with this movement however i agree that peace,civil dissobediance can only do so much. It will take alot more then that and i'm talking about real revolutionary change, revolutions no matter how you look at it have always been violent.

im not going to weigh in on the violence part but we need a lot more people.... 7,000 in NYC is not gonna cut it. I mean 100,000 people showed up in Madrid yesterday.

Hippies

In 1999 when we were protesting American big cooperations in Turkey we were called hippies, anarchists, now they are doing the same thing and became heros. Funny. This is America. Nothing is going to change. America=Capitalism.

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Originally posted by matt167698 Idk, this might be a thing where people see what they want to see. I've gone down there many times after work in dress pants and a dress shirt and never been treated any differently. I mean I could say the same thing about the few times I was handing out literature around the park to people passing by - you wanna talk about dirty looks? On some level I'm sure it goes both ways. I just see those people as the aberration; and it probably confirms your suspicions about the movement. And we're probably both right and both wrong to a certain degree. However, I'd also disagree with it becoming anti-nypd, all the signs with NYPD on it are basically saying you are one of us. People obviously get pissed when arrests start going down, but the other 95% of the time it's been an extremely cordial relationship b/w us and the police.

I saw a girl wearing costume makeup to look like she had been brutally beaten, with a sign saying "please officer don't rape me". That doesnt scream solidarity to me. I've seen plenty of signs calling cops pigs and the like as well. Maybe those are the outliers, but they're still lasting images for me.

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