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Originally posted by chode_breath He's barely out of childhood and thinks that the psytrance rave scene is his life because he took acid three times and "connected" with some people for the first time ever. Is it that hard to understand his frantic rebuttals?

Sorry to say but TA isn't a video call, you don't know what mood I'm in when I make my posts. "Frantic" is most definitely inaccurate.

My posts tend to be excessively long, as does my typing in IM conversations. People tend to assume that the amount I type about something has to do with how angry I am/how much I care. I'd be perfectly happy to write really long posts debating favourite colours with people and they wouldn't look that much different to stuff in this thread.

Regardless, I'm sick of this. System-J can't stay civil and most posts between me and him in this thread are pretty pointless anyway. I'll chime in if anyone wants any recommendations or if there's an interesting topic brought up but that's it.

Just getting into psy (late I know). Aside from John 00 Fleming I haven't been exposed to much of the genre although there are a some real gems posted in here. Looks like Beatport is going to be taking some more of my money.

I listen to goa/psy trance since 1996.
I always found this sub-style of trance music more interesting.
Why? Maybe because I listened much less of it than generic trance music.
What I like the most within the sounds of goa trance (progressive, fullon, dark/forest/killer) is the basslines and the strong usage of acid effects which reminds me of the better hard trance tracks.
I prefer fullon & dark goa due to it's unlimited energies and dynamics.

The crowd is also different: trance vs. psytrance
People's motivation at a generic trance party is mostly about how to dress and more importantly: just being at the party, no matter what music will be played.

Psytrance lovers dress without any preference, but feeling comfortable and they attend to parties because of their love for this music, not just to show you are there....

I think these 2 things are the most notable differences and this is the reason why I still value the psyscene more than the "usual" trance community.

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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic Thank you to those who won't be moving onto psyscene. We don't need anymore douches like you anyway...This is how uplifting trance got so exhausted and butchered, because we had an influx of assholes like you,who ruined it for the people who did enjoy it. The less popular a particular trance genre is the better...Lets keep it that way...

Very offensive post, to be frankly honest, but actually it is the 100% truth

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Originally posted by Guest The crowd is also different: trance vs. psytrance People's motivation at a generic trance party is mostly about how to dress and more importantly: just being at the party, no matter what music will be played. Psytrance lovers dress without any preference, but feeling comfortable and they attend to parties because of their love for this music, not just to show you are there.... I think these 2 things are the most notable differences and this is the reason why I still value the psyscene more than the "usual" trance community.

Interesting. This is absolutely not the case in the UK

At a typical trance night (Godskitchen etc) you find all kinds of people and absolutely no dress code. Yea a lot of them are idiots, but no higher proportion than in any other demographic. Lot's of really nice people too! And I would say the vast majority of the people there go simply because they enjoy the music. I may think their tastes are a little immature due to me being a miserable chin stroking twat these days. It certainly doesn't mean they aren't getting as much enjoyment out of it as I do when I go to a night I really like.

By contrast, at Psy nights most people haven't got a fucking clue what's going on. They are there because they like to dress up like hippies and take acid.

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Originally posted by Guest Very offensive post, to be frankly honest, but actually it is the 100% truth

Well it was meant to be offensive because a lot of people think they can make psytrance but not everyone is good at making a good track. It is also realistic viewpoint of how things are today. It is how we saw with uplifting trance. We saw a bunch of morons who thought they could produce uplifting trance but look what happened?

I don't mind seeing new producers. Infact, I always look for new producers when it comes to music. However, there are a lot of people who jump the trend and start making music without putting in the time and effort to learn the technical aspects of the genre.

See the case with uplifting trance-How many uplifting trance is worth buying these days? There is a lot of garbage released isn't there? Exactly...

I don't hate uplifting trance. Infact a lot of my favourite tunes from 2003-2006 were uplifting, but many who do produce this style of music often just sound plain bad and don't sound right.This is also the case with progressive house tunes too and pretty much all styles of EDM.

One recommendation I would like to give learn the genre extensively before you start making it. Not just listening to it but breaking it apart and dig deep onto what makes it unique.

It is also the fact that you cannot apply the knowledge you've gained from making house to trance and vise-versa because they are two completely different styles.

It has nothing to do with "taste" but the fact that those who move or start producing need to LEARN the basics first. I don't view music on taste basis because, I like most style of music but I view at a technical level(Melody,percussion,the sounds used etc...)When someone lacks the technical knowledge, your imagination will only carry you so far until you have to learn technical knowledge. You'll waste a lot of time in trying to make things sound right.If you don't know how things work,your music will sound shit no matter how much time you put into it. With technical knowledge combined with your imagination, you'll be able to reach the far end of the cosmos...

You may get lucky but there will come a time where you'll just produce generic shit if you do lack basic music theory and technical knowledge.


I think people get it wrong because of the lack of technical knowledge. That to me is the very reason why many don't get it right.

I've only listened to a bit of psy-trance here and there. I find it's great for when you have to focus.

I've probably spammed this track to death. But this is indeed one of the trippiest most enchanting psytrance tracks I've came across:

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Originally posted by Kizaru I've only listened to a bit of psy-trance here and there. I find it's great for when you have to focus.

Psy trance + starcraft is quite fun.

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Originally posted by JonDC Interesting. This is absolutely not the case in the UK

I attended to parties only in my homeland, Hungary.
It's quite fascinating to see the contrast between the "same" scenes in different countries.
In Hungary, people's attitude is way more positive at a goa/psy-party.
You are very welcome to discover it

Why has psy-trance never really moved past the whole amateur, home-made kind of feeling? Like for example anything graphic, design-related, when it comes to psy-trance, I find it particularly bad. Like flyers for example. They still look like they were made in 1996. Any why are the DJs always so random? And why are there always like 100 DJs per night? It's like the EDM world has never embraced psy-trance as an official "scene" or whatnot and it was born and always will exist on the fringe of the dance music world.

I don't know, I see some really intricate and well-made psy flyers. It seems to be a trend around these parts for psy flyers to boast extremely detailed hand-drawn fantasy artwork of twisted forests populated by goblins and stuff.

Really, psy-trance is "underground" in the true sense - it's a scene unconcerned about making money and about changing itself in order to make money. Aside from a couple of big names, it is an amateur, local, homegrown thing that has spread all over the world and crops up in the weirdest places. No glitz, no glamour, no interest in what any outsiders think. That is both its greatest strength and its biggest weakness.

Yea, very well said.

John 00 seems to do a great job getting people into psytrance... what I wonder is this: how far do they go? Making the leap to Astrix isn't hard. How about Parvati?

I find locally there are a lot of people who simply aren't making the move to darkpsy. It seems to be more of a experienced music collector and listener sortof thing. For instance the darkpsy stages at two stage (full on/darkpsy) events seem to have a lot more males here rather than 50/50. I'm not sure in detail on that subject really; maybe just see who turns up to events depending on what music style is playing and ask them?

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Originally posted by Adam420 Why has psy-trance never really moved past the whole amateur, home-made kind of feeling? Like for example anything graphic, design-related, when it comes to psy-trance, I find it particularly bad. Like flyers for example. They still look like they were made in 1996. Any why are the DJs always so random? And why are there always like 100 DJs per night?

I find the colours present on flyers and ideas way better than the bog standard obvious colours and design house music style art present on house music flyers. Different art styles different tastes? Any flyers you have in mind in particular? Or maybe it'd be easier to compare album covers?

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Originally posted by Adam420 It's like the EDM world has never embraced psy-trance as an official "scene" or whatnot and it was born and always will exist on the fringe of the dance music world.

What's wrong with it being just a quite different culture? Certainly there's a lot more people in the psy scene that came from rock/metal backgrounds, rather than just going pop>poppy house>trance>techno after getting bored of trance. It's just going to have a different culture that's all. I like that there's variety in different scenes.

To be honest, the psy trance scene has probably stayed the closest to its roots of all the genres. whatever "rave culture" that once existed is still found in the psy scene. I like that aspect of it. the parties are never about the dj or even the music as much as the people who are there. that being said, the hippies really kill it for me. if only we could get rid of the hippies i would only attend psy parties.

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Originally posted by Adam420 Why has psy-trance never really moved past the whole amateur, home-made kind of feeling? Like for example anything graphic, design-related, when it comes to psy-trance, I find it particularly bad. Like flyers for example. They still look like they were made in 1996. Any why are the DJs always so random? And why are there always like 100 DJs per night? It's like the EDM world has never embraced psy-trance as an official "scene" or whatnot and it was born and always will exist on the fringe of the dance music world.

To answer your questions, I think you have to understand that the psychedelic scene is based a lot on the lifestyle aspect more than say the conventional EDM genre which is soley based on the music. What I mean by that is in the conventional clubbing world, it's very much music based when a club advertises the night. In the psychedelic world, gatherings are made up by collectives who are comprised of artists, designers, musicians and other creative minds. When these gatherings happen, music plays a big part in the spectacle but there is also paintings, yoga sessions and other aspects of these collectives which bring out the entire community. Look at Alex Gray (Painter/Philosopher) for example. This guy has never played an instrument or DJed in his life yet he tours to as many music festival as any other major act.

On the DJ quantity question. Most international headliners in the psy scene perform live PA's. Even if its not advertised that way, its highly possible that any psy party you go to on earth will have 1-3 live PA's. Due to the fact that most live PA's are no longer than 2 hours, they tend have to fill the remaining time in with DJ's. Another reason is that as I said in the first paragraph, the events thrown are organized by collectives. In these collectives, the DJ's/Performers tend to vary in style. For example here in Toronto, the main collective has 1 Techno DJ, 1 Zenonesque (Minimal, Techtrance) DJ and 1 Forest/Dark psy DJ. A lot of the events try to cater to everyone's taste so that may explain why it seems quite crowded on the flyers.

I can't really get into the whole artwork/amateur production discussion. I trust that you've seen enough to come to that conclusion.

the usual psytrance partiers/zombies

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