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Originally posted by Vivid Boy im lost are we talking about corruption like faulty contracts and corrupt spending of money? or are we talking about conspiracy tehories like 9/11. i thought we were talkign straight up ordinary corruption...which exists like crazy.

The first thing.

Obviously Nou doens't know jack shit about shit.

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Originally posted by Desiderata And you think without control everyone will just fix themselves and act correctly?

Never said anything about that. There is a need for law so the majority can remain safe from crazies.

Does corrupt contracts even result in that much damage, there is kind of a black market for everything.

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Originally posted by zGoogleman Never said anything about that. There is a need for law so the majority can remain safe from crazies.

Just checking

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Originally posted by Desiderata Does corrupt contracts even result in that much damage, there is kind of a black market for everything.

I would say yes. Especially when the price of something is overly inflated so the money is more easily concealed.

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Originally posted by zGoogleman And the government receives more than enough money to fix everything. They can't cause most of the money goes over shores to bank accounts of lawmakers. Or the lawmakers give jobs to contractors that charge ten times the price of what the work would cost anybody else. Corruption works.

This is what I am talking about. I am not denying there is corruption in government but he is making it out to sound like we are Greece or some African nation where politicians just take money.

They do. They're just not as obvious/blatant/abrupt about it.

Or the most corrupt operate in plain sight because of the often fucked-up economic policies allowed to pass in the US. And an absolutely ceaseless lobbying and appeals system.

Yea. I suppose you can make a valid point from both perspectives.

I do believe that is what Joss is intimating: That there is minimal, outright 'corruption' in the embezzlement\stealing\espionage sense. More like the US has found ways to make those things fuzzy enough so that no one but a lawyer or economist could point at and say "Aha! Rotten!" because those people are well paid to accept the system.

Not that I am accusing lawyers or economists or anyone of well means of plotting to fleece us for all we're worth. That's just how the system plays out.

Here's a classic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

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Major companies known to employ the double Irish strategy are: Apple Inc.[4] Eli Lilly and Company[5] Facebook[6] Forest Laboratories[5] Google[5][6][7] Microsoft[5] Oracle Corp.[5] Pfizer Inc.[5] Adobe Systems[5] Nederlandse Spoorwegen[8]

Yay! Apple, Facebook, Google, Oracle, Pfizer, Microsoft! Nobody ever got rich from those companies.

Double Irish arrangement

*sounds like a Chess opening*

And a "Dutch sandwich" sounds like something involving a be-chapped midget and an air compressor.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I do believe that is what Joss is intimating: That there is minimal, outright 'corruption' in the embezzlement\stealing\espionage sense. More like the US has found ways to make those things fuzzy enough so that no one but a lawyer or economist could point at and say "Aha! Rotten!" because those people are well paid to accept the system.

This.

Getting rid of government or removing government is not going to solve corruption.

There was a case where someone actually argued that because Walmart often participated in corrupt activities in Mexico to get land, permits, etc, then the obvious solution would be to take corruption off the books, so it was no longer illegal "because thats just how its done down there."

Getting rid of government is not the solution, and anyone who believes that is being fooled by the very people that are causing the problems in the first place. They are trying to get you to believe that government is the issue and not them and they want you to advocate for the removal of the very last pieces that prevent corporate and religious oligarchies from ruling over this country like some perverse post-apocalyptic sci-fi nightmare.

...written by Newt Gingrich.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On ...written by Newt Gingrich.

I have heard people refer to Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson as being an "ideal future"...

That books future sounds putrid.

And inevitable, in many ways.

QR codes always remind me of Snow Crash. I wonder if it would be possible to store some viral code in one that was sufficiently complex enough so that when drones are finally flying overhead to monitor the barcodes OBAMA requires to be tattooed on our necks in his 9th term in office, you can scramble them to cause all manner of havoc.

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