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| Originally posted by enydo Seriously though, if you think the concept of "digital privacy" (whatever that is supposed to mean), was ever actually a thing, you're deluding yourself. |
The guy who leaked the info has outed himself: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...veillance/print
And here is a Q&A with the guy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why
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| Q: Why did you decide to become a whistleblower? A: "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards. "I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things � I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under." ...Q: What do the leaked documents reveal? A: "That the NSA routinely lies in response to congressional inquiries about the scope of surveillance in America. I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinised most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians." ...Q: When did you decide to leak the documents? A: "You see things that may be disturbing. When you see everything you realise that some of these things are abusive. The awareness of wrong-doing builds up. There was not one morning when I woke up [and decided this is it]. It was a natural process. "A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him. I voted for a third party. But I believed in Obama's promises. I was going to disclose it [but waited because of his election]. He continued with the policies of his predecessor." Q: What is your reaction to Obama denouncing the leaks on Friday while welcoming a debate on the balance between security and openness? A: "My immediate reaction was he was having difficulty in defending it himself. He was trying to defend the unjustifiable and he knew it." Q: What about the response in general to the disclosures? A: "I have been surprised and pleased to see the public has reacted so strongly in defence of these rights that are being suppressed in the name of security. It is not like Occupy Wall Street but there is a grassroots movement to take to the streets on July 4 in defence of the Fourth Amendment called Restore The Fourth Amendment and it grew out of Reddit. The response over the internet has been huge and supportive." Q: Washington-based foreign affairs analyst Steve Clemons said he overheard at the capital's Dulles airport four men discussing an intelligence conference they had just attended. Speaking about the leaks, one of them said, according to Clemons, that both the reporter and leaker should be "disappeared". How do you feel about that? A: "Someone responding to the story said 'real spies do not speak like that'. Well, I am a spy and that is how they talk. Whenever we had a debate in the office on how to handle crimes, they do not defend due process � they defend decisive action. They say it is better to kick someone out of a plane than let these people have a day in court. It is an authoritarian mindset in general." |
So either Google and everyone else is lying about stored password encryption and HTTPS is fundamentally broken or this guy is full of shit.
Also "third party" makes me think this guy is nothing more than a libertarian plant. I am beginning to not trust this story at all.
Yep, this guy is a full on libertardian piece of shit. I hope he is disappeared. Libertarianism is a threat to all of humanity, on the same level as nazi fascism and zero year communism. These guys are total fucking freakjobs, every last one of them.
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yep, this guy is a full on libertardian piece of shit. I hope he is disappeared. Libertarianism is a threat to all of humanity, on the same level as nazi fascism and zero year communism. These guys are total fucking freakjobs, every last one of them. |
If people don't take to the streets or quit paying taxes. Then there would be more abuses. The government knows it can get away with stuff you can't! Fuck you all!
Because this sort of shit has been going on for decades and the far right is just using peoples general ignorance of how intelligence organizations work and fudging the actual details to push an agenda that is frankly scary.
Every single part of PRISM started before Obama took office, infact most of them took place right before he came in to office. Now Obama has continued to use these practices, and if you feel that these practices in general are not good, then you are right to criticize Obama, but here is where the far-rights gameplan comes into effect.
You make a huge stink about this, and you make it look like it is all Obama, and by extension the party of Obama and you never bring up the parts where none of this started with him you can begin to poison the mindset of the weak-willed and ignorant voters and begin to shift them back towards the right, the right that initially implemented this sort of crap.
Going further the libertarians love it because its an excuse to start ripping out other parts of government because it plays into the whole fallacious reasoning of "government is all bad".
Yes, it has been going on for decades. And yes, we are all in this together against the government.
recall my friends, that this government imprisons indefinitely without any formal judicial proceedings.
sorry, but i don't trust my government as much as many of you do.
im sure they're really torn up about that too.
Shut the fuck up already. This discussion doesn't pertain to your kind.
You seem angry.
Not a big deal? I bet the faculty at Stanford University must be a bunch of 'tin-foil' conspiracy theorists too.
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| "Why would you use AES/RSA/etc. when the NSA employs more mathematicians than anyone else and may well have cracked them?" The answer: if the popular cryptographic constructs have been cracked, the knowledge that they were cracked�even without the "how"�would be insanely valuable. So much so that unless you presented an existential threat to the cracking party, they would be very hesitant to use that ability against you if even a tiny risk existed that doing so could reveal their capability and thereby make it less valuable. In the case of mass surveillance programs not only is there a risk that people would change behavior�switching to SSL with PFS for all communications, making more use of high-delay mixing networks, decentralized services, non-cloud open source software, etc.�but since these programs are obviously illegal to many outside of the incestuous world of intelligence, by revealing the capability they risk it being simply taken away by the rule of law. (Even those who have convinced themselves that these programs are lawful and righteous must recognize that they are on thin ice and public opinion may go another way). And so�before the capability was made public, it _likely_ wouldn't have been used against mere political nuisances, at least not without the additional cost of creating a solid pretext for the resulting intelligence. But now this deterrent is gone: the burden of utter secrecy is reduced. And if these programs are not eliminated, greatly curtailed, or made moot, we can expect them to be employed much more freely. https://mailman.stanford.edu/piperm...une/008838.html |
There is absolutely nothing scary going on here, and this guy is probably full of shit.
Please point out specifically what has happened here that is scary, and I'll respond; otherwise, this is just inane and stupid.
One thing, though, is that I really hope this whole affair makes the government reconsider their relationship with contractors.
Greenwald on NSA and Edward Snowdenn:
I really haven't read about or followed the news of what Edward Snowden did until this morning.
Talk about testicular fortitude... this man is a hero in every sense of the word.
A TRUE REAL AMERICAN HERO. HE'S GONNA GET SO MUCH PUSSY FOR BEING SUCH A HERO.
I WANNA BUY THAT HERO A BEER.
I WANNA HAVE A BEER WITH A HERO.
No, not an American hero.
A humanitarian hero.
I just hope his actions and sacrifices will mean something after all is said and done.
It's up to the general public to make that happen now.
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| Originally posted by OrangestO No, not an American hero. A humanitarian hero. I just hope his actions and sacrifices will mean something after all is said and done. It's up to the general public to make that happen now. |
Lol @ the "objective" media coverage this story is getting; each news organization is clearly taking a stance and either condoning or condemning his actions.
Snowden stated he's most afraid this information will simply pass by and no change will come as a result of it.
He's right.
This is a dialogue that needs to continue until change occurs.
For as big of a story and leak that this is, it doesn't seem that "regular folks" are getting the message. If you want change to occur, that's where it needs to hit and hurt most.
How the fuck is he a hero? By EXPOSING something that's COMPLETELY LEGAL?
Yeah, good luck going and making whatever the fuck it is you're talking about happen.
I wish you the best.
DOWN WITH THE NSA. NO INTELLIGENCE IS THE BEST INTELLIGENCE.
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