TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Political Discussion / Debate
-- Israel or Palestine?
Pages (8): « 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 »

quote:

Originally posted by Cyrus King You are a waste of semen.

I'm just so hurt...considering this remark comes from a user with Che q Vara's pic in place for his own.

quote:

Originally posted by Toscher Sedai Are you this ignorant not to know that Hitler thought that blonde hair and blue eyes were ideal? Even the liberals will teach you that in school. And what of suicide bombing? Another compassionate defender of Palestine and their "poor, innocent" people being il-treated by Israel ...Well how bout Israel? Their country is so small, you can drive through it like 2wice in a day. Muslims want to drive out the Jews, and rid the mid-east of any "modernism," and western influence. And you call Sharon, ethnocentric?? Why don't these Muslims just relocate to one of their brother Muslim nations that surround them? Why? Because those imbicilic Arab nations want an excuse to war with the Jews. Israel has one of the best trained militaries in the world because everyday life is threatened by Muslims. Do you see Israel going in and detonating public buses full of children, strapping on bombs consisting of nails, tacs, and anything to tear one's flesh with, and unloading in public areas???? What sort of morals are they taught? They think it's an honor to God what they're doing. That's some crazy BS! Arafat is a terrorist and Israel should stop being harassad by Palestine and their pathetic ideologies and just bombard them to hell where they belong. Why don't you draw a comparison between Hitler and Saddam, or Hitler and Arafat? It's always either between Sharon or Bush. Bush and Sharon are military operatives. Without strong military, is like putting your arms down in a boxing match. Ethnocentric? Bush? Sharon? It's not about racism...it's about taking a stance against moronic and uncivilized groups of people out to terrorize the world. Nothing here is going to change minds, Tathi. It's either one agrees, if my position is shared, or doesn't agree. I have no doubt my views are minority here on this forum. And oohh, congradulations tathi, you can make fun of my name and sig....wow That's a great sign of maturity. And "ignorant redneck?" You don't even know my ethnicity, so don't try and pretend you know me. Grow up!

wtf, so let me get this straight... youre calling all of palestines people terrorist? come on, i dont take either side on this subject, but thats just plain idiotic and rubbish. muslims don't want to drive israel into the sea, only radicals do. you do know what radicals are right? as for the modernism and western influence part, some muslims do like trance, heck some are even into britney and nsync. why should the muslims relocate, thats like saying the hispanics and mexicans should get out of california, even though california was once mexico. Oh and which arab nations are at war with israel? Iran is most likely the only one. Israel sure is innocent, they are not terrorizing people, with their bulldozing and storming of innocent peoples homes ... very innocent Like i said those who do it in honor of god are radicals, kinda like the christian radicals in this country kill doctors and blow up abortion clinics. While others do it to gain their freedom from israel. yeah its some bs alright, but from both sides

yeah we need more bombing of the palestinian ghettos, they are not bad enough Hitler and saddam comprison? only in the media control sense, he hasnt done shit after the first gulf war. and i hope you mean bush is doing terroristic military operatives, since iraq never did nothing to us at all.

um moronic, uncivilized groups? heh sounds alot like the american people, who a majority believe it was iraqis who did 911, and that saddam had, as well as, used wmds. should we go after them too? oh wait asscroft is working on that

btw you always bring up liberals, could you please define what a liberal is in your own words

quote:

Originally posted by rizen wtf, so let me get this straight... youre calling ALL of palestines people terrorist? come on, i dont take either side on this subject, but thats just plain idiotic and rubbish. muslims don't want to drive israel into the sea, only radicals do. you do know what radicals are right? as for the modernism and western influence part, some muslims do like trance, heck some are even into britney and nsync. why should the muslims relocate, thats like saying the hispanics and mexicans should get out of california, even though california was once mexico. Oh and which arab nations are at war with israel? Iran is most likely the only one. Israel sure is innocent, they are not terrorizing people, with their bulldozing and storming of innocent peoples homes ... very innocent Like i said those who do it in honor of god are radicals, kinda like the christian radicals in this country kill doctors and blow up abortion clinics. While others do it to gain their freedom from israel. yeah its some bs alright, but from both sides yeah we need more bombing of the palestinian ghettos, they are not bad enough Hitler and saddam comprison? only in the media control sense, he hasnt done shit after the first gulf war. and i hope you mean bush is doing terroristic military operatives, since iraq never did nothing to us at all. um moronic, uncivilized groups? heh sounds alot like the american people, who a majority believe it was iraqis who did 911, and that saddam had, as well as, used wmds. should we go after them too? oh wait asscroft is working on that btw you always bring up liberals, could you please define what a liberal is in your own words

Not that you're a liberal, but you're answer sounds like a liberal one. Where did I say "all?" please quote me on that. Mexicans aren't self-inflicting themselves with dynamite and terrorizing Americans, are they??? You don't seem to undersatnd principle. Iran the only nation...if all of Mid-East could destroy Israel...it would. Saddam, yes, he killed his own people like Hitler did, and what do you know of his intentions? How would you know he wouldn't plan anyhting against another country such as US? He didn't have the power to carry it out if he was.
Umm, those cowards that kill US doctors are extremists from or near the Canadian border...Canada is a liberal country. Israel is trying to live a life, while Arafat attempts to terrorize it. And those people that do the suicide bombings aren't all radicals...they're people who are fed with illegitimate morals and values by leaders that have corrupted society with their own agendas.
911...nice to see how much respect you have for a country you live in and reap thousands more benefits than those people who die trying to get in. Saddam needed to be toppled regardless...look at the iraqi woman for instance...the barrier between genders has finally been toppled. US attacked a point on the Muslim world, to send a message that it will fight, as cowardly Clinton wouldn't.

Ariana Huffington for governor???

quote:

Originally posted by Toscher Sedai Not that you're a liberal, but you're answer sounds like a liberal one. Where did I say "all?" please quote me on that. Mexicans aren't self-inflicting themselves with dynamite and terrorizing Americans, are they??? You don't seem to undersatnd principle. Iran the only nation...if all of Mid-East could destroy Israel...it would. Saddam, yes, he killed his own people like Hitler did, and what do you know of his intentions? How would you know he wouldn't plan anyhting against another country such as US? He didn't have the power to carry it out if he was. Umm, those cowards that kill US doctors are extremists from or near the Canadian border...Canada is a liberal country. Israel is trying to live a life, while Arafat attempts to terrorize it. And those people that do the suicide bombings aren't all radicals...they're people who are fed with illegitimate morals and values by leaders that have corrupted society with their own agendas. 911...nice to see how much respect you have for a country you live in and reap thousands more benefits than those people who die trying to get in. Saddam needed to be toppled regardless...look at the iraqi woman for instance...the barrier between genders has finally been toppled. US attacked a point on the Muslim world, to send a message that it will fight, as cowardly Clinton wouldn't. Ariana Huffington for governor???

What is a liberal! anyway you didnt say all but i got the impression of it by this line of yours "Another compassionate defender of Palestine and their "poor, innocent" people". yeah mexicans are not doing terrorist acts, and neither are those innocent palestineans who get terrorized by israel. Iran destroy Israel? how? LOL. Yeah saddam did kill his own people, but you know what we turned a blind eye and let him do it, even gave him most of the weapons to do so. I hope you do know why we did this too. I probaly don't know if he would of planned to attack another country such as the US, but the CIA sure does. The CIA said he had no WMDs nor was saddam a threat to the US or any of its neighbors, especially Israel, remember when israel took out iraq's nucluar power reactor.

Oh yeah that Paul Hill and his reverend donald Spitz are liberal canucks dont you think palestineans want to live their life as well? i agree with you on arafat, like i said i dont take either side, they are both as bad. I know that not all the sucide bombers are radicals, i guess you messed "While others do it to gain their freedom from israel".

LOL WHAT. when did i disrespect 911 or the thousands who died. are you trying to say the iraqis did do 911?!??! haha jesus, you have no clue do you, woman under saddam actually had more freedom, there was also more religous freedom under him too. question, do you know how the women are in afghanistan, or have you forgetten? although i do agree that saddam should of been toppled, but not in this way. Muslim world? Iraq has a large population of christians, i believe around 1 million. as for the fight? what fight LOL I do agree with you on clinton though, we should of gone after al queda alot sooner

you have a better choice than arianna, besides peter camejo? if so start a new thread

quote:

Originally posted by Cyrus King I beleive part of the reason why these suicide bombers exist is because they are driven to insanity in part after seeing Israeli tanks and guns blow up their families and friends...And to those who agree that its worth killing Palestinians to "weed out terrorists".... you are no worse than a terrorist yourself... a life is a life....as said before... we all bleed the same colour.

In a way I think you might be right Cyris. Either way, I hope peace for both countries but neither will achieve it if they continue to bombard each other with violent acts. As for Paleastanians defending themselves with only rocks, thats very true. I seen lots of photos and it goes to show that these people will do anything to stand up for themselves.

quote:

Originally posted by Toscher Sedai Are you this ignorant not to know that Hitler thought that blonde hair and blue eyes were ideal? Even the liberals will teach you that in school. And what of suicide bombing? Another compassionate defender of Palestine and their "poor, innocent" people being il-treated by Israel ...Well how bout Israel? Their country is so small, you can drive through it like 2wice in a day. Muslims want to drive out the Jews, and rid the mid-east of any "modernism," and western influence. And you call Sharon, ethnocentric?? Why don't these Muslims just relocate to one of their brother Muslim nations that surround them? Why? Because those imbicilic Arab nations want an excuse to war with the Jews. Israel has one of the best trained militaries in the world because everyday life is threatened by Muslims. Do you see Israel going in and detonating public buses full of children, strapping on bombs consisting of nails, tacs, and anything to tear one's flesh with, and unloading in public areas???? What sort of morals are they taught? They think it's an honor to God what they're doing. That's some crazy BS! Arafat is a terrorist and Israel should stop being harassad by Palestine and their pathetic ideologies and just bombard them to hell where they belong. Why don't you draw a comparison between Hitler and Saddam, or Hitler and Arafat? It's always either between Sharon or Bush. Bush and Sharon are military operatives. Without strong military, is like putting your arms down in a boxing match. Ethnocentric? Bush? Sharon? It's not about racism...it's about taking a stance against moronic and uncivilized groups of people out to terrorize the world. Nothing here is going to change minds, Tathi. It's either one agrees, if my position is shared, or doesn't agree. I have no doubt my views are minority here on this forum. And oohh, congradulations tathi, you can make fun of my name and sig....wow That's a great sign of maturity. And "ignorant redneck?" You don't even know my ethnicity, so don't try and pretend you know me. Grow up!

This guys great! A fresh voice that tells it like it is. Nice!

quote:

Originally posted by Cyrus King You are a waste of semen.

...this post has proven that you're less deserving of that semen by FAR!

You have nothing to say so you spew shit yet again.
If we wanted shit outta you we'd squeeze your head.
You need to grow up and realize reality. Terrorism is NOT okay!
You could now return to the lamentableness you call life.

Yea, thats right, I said lamentableness!
(word of the day)

I dont want to sound critical, but honestly, a thread like this should not be answered by either sides (meaning jew/arab etc.) ...why you might ask? because your opinions are intrinsically biased. Dont argue, or bash me for saying that, it is the beautiful and simple truth. Everybody has brought up some interesting points, but alot of the crap i just read was exactly that, crap. I see it all the time on CNN and BBC and all these huge mass-media lies. The sad but simple truth is nobody on this godamn site can pretend to know what the hell is going on, because you would be lying to yourself and everyone else if you did. As vonnegute would say "so it goes". think about it. and stop the hate for christs sake, its weak.

quote:

Originally posted by ftnb I dont want to sound critical, but honestly, a thread like this should not be answered by either sides (meaning jew/arab etc.) ...why you might ask? because your opinions are intrinsically biased. Dont argue, or bash me for saying that, it is the beautiful and simple truth. Everybody has brought up some interesting points, but alot of the crap i just read was exactly that, crap. I see it all the time on CNN and BBC and all these huge mass-media lies. The sad but simple truth is nobody on this godamn site can pretend to know what the hell is going on, because you would be lying to yourself and everyone else if you did. As vonnegute would say "so it goes". think about it. and stop the hate for christs sake, its weak.

I am Israelie Jew . I was always for Peace more than anything else. I do agree each sides has its difficulties to see the who;e situation as it is. However, I dont think any of you can understand it better, I wish you or I could understand it. I keep telling myslef these is hope , but sometimes ... I just don't know if there is a solution to this. I don't want to hurt , but I am hurt. My biggest wish for the moment is to fine ONE guy at my age (31) , a Palestinien who will reach up for me and tell me "we share them same thoughts, I want peace as much as you do, I will do my best over my side and you on your side." BUT the problem is I never EVER met anytone from the other side, nor in the net that can tell me such a thing.
I think both side should talk here and everywhere, just for the slight chance both sides will meet, based on music forum or anything else.

The Israeli government's startling announcement that the Palestinian perpetrators of the (Sept. 9) dual terror attacks in Tsrifin (7 murdered, 30 wounded) and Jerusalem's Caf�� Hillel (8 murdered, 50 wounded) were both, just six months ago, released from administrative detention in an Israeli prison.

quote:

Toscher Sedai You don't seem to undersatnd principle. Iran the only nation...if all of Mid-East could destroy Israel...it would.

Is this an educated hypothesis, or another ignorant conjecture? If there was a lack of international media in the middle east, would Israel destroy all of the surrounding nations?

quote:

and what do you know of his intentions? How would you know he wouldn't plan anyhting against another country such as US? He didn't have the power to carry it out if he was.

Another pathetic conjecture, how do we know Israel is not planning �anyhting against another country such as US?�

quote:

Israel is trying to live a life, while Arafat attempts to terrorize it.

This is so stupid i don't even know where to start. The Israeli government has demonstrated to the international community time and time again that it has no respect for human life. Why is Sharon being pursued for for war crimes?

quote:

And those people that do the suicide bombings aren't all radicals...they're people who are fed with illegitimate morals and values by leaders that have corrupted society with their own agendas.

And where did you learn this? CNN? Bible study group? Or while playing dungeons and dragons? You have no idea of the anguish and despair flowing through their minds. And what of the Israeli terrorists?

quote:

Saddam needed to be toppled regardless...look at the iraqi woman for instance...the barrier between genders has finally been toppled.

Ahhh, so this was the real reason the war was incited, they wanted equal opportunity for both sexes, wait a minute, of all nations in the middle east, Iraq was one of the most tolerant for women in positions of respect and power. What of The USA's ally Kuwait, misogynic? yes / no? Did you know it states multiple times in the bible that woman are not aloud to be in positions of respect and power?

quote:

US attacked a point on the Muslim world, to send a message that it will fight, as cowardly Clinton wouldn't.

The most populous Muslim nation in the world is Indonesia, another of the USA's allies. The Indonesian government is also responsible for more many crimes against humanity.

quote:

Ethnocentric? Bush? Sharon? It's not about racism...it's about taking a stance against moronic and uncivilized groups of people out to terrorize the world.

Again you contradict yourself, the generalisation just shows how racist your ideals are. If we are looking for morons, why not look at the puppet figurehead �leading� of the USA?

quote:

Arafat is a terrorist and Israel should stop being harassad by Palestine and their pathetic ideologies and just bombard them to hell where they belong.

haha, i knew it, I must be arguing with a christian

quote:

Why don't you draw a comparison between Hitler and Saddam, or Hitler and Arafat?

Why? Because it's not as easy, the parallels between Sharon and Hitler are very overt. Yasser Arafat was awarded the nobel peace prize, Sharon is being pursued for war crimes.

quote:

It's always either between Sharon or Bush. Bush and Sharon are military operatives. Without strong military, is like putting your arms down in a boxing match.

Why are they in this boxing match?

quote:

Nothing here is going to change minds, Tathi. It's either one agrees, if my position is shared, or doesn't agree. I have no doubt my views are minority here on this forum.

You're an indoctrinated fool, you're right nothing can help you, and i pity you for that.

quote:

And oohh, congradulations tathi, you can make fun of my name and sig....wow That's a great sign of maturity.

I couldn't help it haha

quote:

And "ignorant redneck?" You don't even know my ethnicity, so don't try and pretend you know me. Grow up!

I don't have to, you have given me multiple examples of your ignorance and how you regard the human life of certain races and cultures higher then others

quote:

I'm just so hurt...considering this remark comes from a user with Che q Vara's pic in place for his own.

Hahaha, look at your own sig

quote:

Melech_mike This guys great! A fresh voice that tells it like it is. Nice!

Another neo-nazi for you to befriend mike?

quote:

Melech_Mike You need to grow up and realize reality. Terrorism is NOT okay!

And you condone Israeli terrorism.

quote:

ftnb I dont want to sound critical, but honestly, a thread like this should not be answered by either sides (meaning jew/arab etc.) ...why you might ask? because your opinions are intrinsically biased.

That would make me the neutral voice here, being Caucasian and the acculturative byproduct of unbiased education and media

quote:

krouvi Belive it or not but music or a party can make a change. Last year I was in Eliat which is in the south of Israel seeing Tiesto on a big rave. Jusr near me there was as Arab couple. I just tried to be friendly and asked them from where they are . They were clubbers from Jordan . We dont have much Arabs tourists in Israel, but here they come for the music. They were great couple and it was a pleasue to meet them. About the E idea ... well for a start I will put some E inside the water in here so ppl will like to Love instead of Hate and that goes for both sides.

It's a shame your tolerance makes you a minority, if there were more people like you there would not be violence in Palestine. And as for �music or a party can make a change� well I've always been fascinated in cognitive science in particular psychoacoustics, I've been planning to write a thesis on the psychotropic effect of trance music. Maybe i'll post it here

quote:

Originally posted by tathi This is so stupid i don't even know where to start. The Israeli government has demonstrated to the international community time and time again that it has no respect for human life. Why is Sharon being pursued for for war crimes?

Come on "The Israeli government ... has no respect for human life", thats a bit pushing it no? From a guy that seems to hate generalizations, and stick to strict gramatic notation to make a point, I think even you will agree one can't say Israle has NO respect for human life... If you want, at least make an arguable point and say "little" respect for human life. If they had no respect for human life after all, there would be no Palestinian life now would there?

And as for a second point, I do believe that Sharon who was only being pursued for war crimes in Belgium is no longer peing pursued. As I recall I think it was the Belgian equivalent of the Attorney General who annouced the Belgian law that allows foreign nationals to be tried in Belgium as illegal, therefore dropping all cases where it was being used. You might want to look into this a bit further.. I can't recall how accurate this is.

Regardless however... being up for trial means little these days, after all you don't see Saddam up there do you?

Yoepus, i was demonstrating to Toscher Sedai how stupid his generalisations were by answering him with generalisations equally stupid

As for the international war crimes tribunal, i thought it was made illegal to trial an active head of state?

quote:

Originally posted by tathi Yoepus, i was demonstrating to Toscher Sedai how stupid his generalisations were by answering him with generalisations equally stupid

fair enough

quote:

As for the international war crimes tribunal, i thought it was made illegal to trial an active head of state?

Well as my recollection recalls () Sharon has not been tried to accused by THE international war crimes tribunal. There was a case however in Belgium against Sharon, after Belgian national law allowed it to try foreign nationals for crimes commited against International law (a national law that says basically we have the right to interpert and enforce international law however we want). Here Sharon was supposed to be tried for war crimes against this Belgian law, specifically for his involvement in Lebanon in 82.

However, this Belgian law create so much international and national contrevorsy it was just a matter of time it would be overturned as it was.

As for THE international war crimes tribunal, there are already campagains to try Sharon there, but since the court is still not accepting cases this is seen as much more of a political then moral attempt by the campagaining parties.

I jumped into this extremely late, and really cant b arsed reading all 9 pages, but my view is this .. You need a few things b4 there can ever be peace between these 2 ..

1) america needs to stop sticking up for israel the way it is
2) arafat needs to go .. hes the biggest obsticle to peace, as long as he is there Hamas etc etc will carry on bombing.
3) you need the whole of the reigon and europe to back a peace plan, not just the select few that currently back the roadmap.

hopefully 1 day this conflict will just be confined to history, but i fear more deaths, and tit for tat killings before that happens.


just my 2 cents.

i dont understand you guys,what the hell does it matter to you that america gives us money, do you want israelies to be poor,do you want them to die? what is your point?!

I think they should stick another country inbetween Isreal and Palestine

The politicians in both country fucking suck anyways

quote:

Originally posted by Nige| 2) arafat needs to go .. hes the biggest obsticle to peace, as long as he is there Hamas etc etc will carry on bombing.

the complicated part about this is that Hamas will coninue to terrorize Israel even if Arafat is gone.

quote:

Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 the complicated part about this is that Hamas will coninue to terrorize Israel even if Arafat is gone.

Word. Even if Arafat begins to condemn Hamas and tries to get them to stop, they will continue their attacks.

quote:

Originally posted by Yoepus Well as my recollection recalls () Sharon has not been tried to accused by THE international war crimes tribunal. There was a case however in Belgium against Sharon, after Belgian national law allowed it to try foreign nationals for crimes commited against International law (a national law that says basically we have the right to interpert and enforce international law however we want). Here Sharon was supposed to be tried for war crimes against this Belgian law, specifically for his involvement in Lebanon in 82. However, this Belgian law create so much international and national contrevorsy it was just a matter of time it would be overturned as it was.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._usa_lawsuit_dc

"
A Belgian court Wednesday threw out a case against President Bush for war crimes in Iraq in a saga that had strained relations between Belgium and the United States.


The appeals court in Brussels also dismissed cases against Israeli Prime Minister Arial Sharon and Israeli General Amos Yaron on grounds that the country's courts did not have the jurisdiction to bring them to trial, according to a court clerk.
"

good on Belgium for tryin'

Re: Israel or Palestine?

quote:

Originally posted by Cyrus King After much debate in the chill out room this year regarding this unfortunate conflict in the middle east.. whats your official stance on the situation? I for one hope that both sides live in peace... but i do not agree with the agressive and murderous tactics that the Isreali army utilizes to "weed out terroists"....I feel for the Palestinians who have to defend themselves with rocks.... yet i do not agree with the suicide bombings that certain vulnerable and ignorant youths carry out in the name of "Allah". In any event.. innocent people are dying... most of them Palestinians... and that is what concerns me the most. In my opinion, the Isreali army is just as bad as any other "military super power" and should re-evaluate the value of a life. Hate breeds hate. I have a lot more to write... but i will leave that in the discussion to follow within the thread. Your Opinions?

if people were coming from canada and killing themselves because they hate me my peolpe and my country then i would ask my country to put a stop to it at any cost, i don't want to worry about my life while eating at a pizza parlor for f*** sake. isreal has been dealing with this shit since the day they became a state. its about time they lost their temper! and their is no point for these piss poor countries to attack them because they will always be backed by the US.

moron

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.