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Posted by Arbiter on Dec-20-2002 04:00:

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
You should never knock something you haven't tried.

So I shouldn't knock serial killers unless i've tried serial killing?

Posted by Nadi on Dec-20-2002 04:13:

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Originally posted by Illusion

The next big problem however is Islam. They're about at the level of christianity during the feudal ages. That religion is showing it's true face now, just like christianity did when they used to burn people at the stake. But that'll pass too. It's just a matter of time.

Definatly a cheap shot on islam. The terrorists and such are not a product of islam, it is a product of twisted interpitations, and people lying to themselves.

as far as my beliefs, I don't have a real strong position on whether or not there is a god. However I'm confident that if there is a heaven I'll be fine, because I do a good job of leading a pretty morally correct life.

Posted by FuzzyGreen on Dec-20-2002 04:18:

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Originally posted by Arbiter
So I shouldn't knock serial killers unless i've tried serial killing?

Exactly.

Posted by Renegade on Dec-20-2002 16:47:

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How is it not contradict the church's teachings? I fail to see this.

It may contradict the teachings of the Bible, but recently (I'll take a wild guess and say 1992?) the Catholic Church accepted the theory of evolution as the most likely to explain the ascent of mankind, and decided that in doing so it was in no way diminishing God's role in the universe (that is, they feel that the evolutionary history of man could still be of divine origin).

Once again, the Bible may not support evolution, but the church (or Catholic Church anyway) definately does.

Posted by Izzy on Dec-20-2002 18:27:

damn, nice posts here!
personally i think these kind of religious/pilisophical posts should be moved to the debate forum... hehe that way i could have seen this thread much ealier

Posted by Hi-Voltage on Dec-20-2002 22:41:

I'll go to heaven

Posted by AcidAngel on Dec-20-2002 22:45:

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Originally posted by Hi-Voltage
I'll go to heaven

Why do you think that?

Posted by Hi-Voltage on Dec-20-2002 22:49:

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Originally posted by AcidAngel
Why do you think that?

because I'm saint(but not virgin)LOL

Posted by AcidAngel on Dec-20-2002 22:53:

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Originally posted by Hi-Voltage
because I'm saint(but not virgin)LOL

no,no,no,no...look at me boy,I'm a saint
and what you've got is only a little mid-life crisis

Posted by noikeee on Dec-21-2002 00:11:

to the guy saying that Adam and Eve contradicts the evolution theory, you shouldn't take literally everything that's written in the bible, that Adam and Eve story and kinda most bible's passages are just methafors so that the people at the time would understand it. I've seen priests confirming this and confirming the evolution theory.

I don't really know in what to believe from all of this theories.. I don't believe in everything I read in bible but I don't think either you die and then that's it. My personal theory would be that God is an alien being (technically, God is not from earth so he's an alien) and teached people how to live in common in a harmonic way.. but people tended to misunderstand him and have completely terrible interpretations of religion (11 September, for ex.). I believe religion itself it's more of a motivation for we to live together in peace than something that limitates us and obrigates us to devote our lifes to a god.
The biggest problem of this theory is that.. it doesn't reveal at all what happens after death.

Posted by Izzy on Dec-21-2002 00:59:

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Originally posted by _The_Storm_
you shouldn't take literally everything that's written in the bible

you shouldnt? um, why didnt god say it was a metaphore? how do we humans really know what god meant if he didnt specify and decided to be so vague

maybe 'thou shalt not steal' is actually a metaphor for how we should all live under social life where there are no property rights and everyone shares everything.... hmmmmmm

if you start bringing in the whole metaphor crap, it leaves the whole interpratation of the bible up for grabs... seems like if god really cared for his people and wanted to show them the light of the path to heaven he would have been more clear.

Posted by TranceGiant on Dec-21-2002 02:47:

ahm..I Do think u should take it as metaphor. Theres still a big significant difference beteen the Genesis story(!) and the ethics CODE which was directly aimed for the people.

Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Dec-21-2002 12:52:

Well, if you want to take genesis as a metaphore, that's ok, but the problem with most religious people in america is that genesis is taken literally, which totally doesn't make sense. Now, there are some minor groups in europe which take it literally as well, but they are a neglegable minority among religious people. In america, however, they're not so neglegable, in fact, i believe there are more religious types that don't believe in evolution than there are the ones that do.

Posted by Illusion on Dec-21-2002 12:55:

Here's an idea.

LET THIS THREAD DIE!

Posted by Michael Russo on Dec-21-2002 18:28:

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono
How is it not contradict the church's teachings? I fail to see this.

Quite plainly, it doesn't contradict the Church's teachings because the Church teaches it.

I know that was a bad answer, but think of it in relation to the following: The Old Testament is not God's complete message in the sense that the New Testament is required to complete it. If you look at Salvation History, you see God revealing different things at different times, in little steps. As a result, some people misenterpret the Old Testament and say it is full of contradictions. There's a ton, but if you look at it from the perspective of a "bigger picture," everything fits into place.

As a result, we can look at the story of Adam & Eve and all of Genesis simply as what God wanted to reveal to people at that time. It's not the truth in the sense that its what really happened, but rather a story by which we can discern God's true intentions.

If you look at science from the perspective that it is something God created to suit His and our own purposes, and see the story of Adam and Eve as a story of motive rather than fact, it becomes apparent that there really is nothing wrong with evolution. God made science, and through it he moulded humans. If you remember the whole notion of human souls, there really can be nothing about evolution that opposes the Church's teachings.

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you shouldnt? um, why didnt god say it was a metaphore? how do we humans really know what god meant if he didnt specify and decided to be so vague

maybe 'thou shalt not steal' is actually a metaphor for how we should all live under social life where there are no property rights and everyone shares everything.... hmmmmmm

Ummm... 'thou shalt not steal' is a moral law and as such is not open for interpretation. There's nothing to misenterpret... it's always meant don't take what isn't yours and it will never mean anything else.

Of course the objective law isn't the only part to morality and as such the intention and the situation must be taken into account... but there is still nothing vague about the law itself. There are no ambiguities in something absolute and universal, and God never intended for there to be, so you're going to need a better example to defend your argument.

And God didn't say the story of Adam and Eve was a metaphor because at the time that's not what He wanted people to understand it as... read my point above.

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if you start bringing in the whole metaphor crap, it leaves the whole interpratation of the bible up for grabs... seems like if god really cared for his people and wanted to show them the light of the path to heaven he would have been more clear.

First of all, morality is completely clear and that's enough to get you into Heaven, regardless of religion.

And it doesn't bring the whole interpreation of the Bible up for grabs... you have to look at it from the big picture, as I've said a hundred times before in this post.

Posted by Arbiter on Dec-21-2002 21:04:

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Originally posted by Izzy
you shouldnt? um, why didnt god say it was a metaphore? how do we humans really know what god meant if he didnt specify and decided to be so vague

maybe 'thou shalt not steal' is actually a metaphor for how we should all live under social life where there are no property rights and everyone shares everything.... hmmmmmm

if you start bringing in the whole metaphor crap, it leaves the whole interpratation of the bible up for grabs... seems like if god really cared for his people and wanted to show them the light of the path to heaven he would have been more clear.

A good liar is a vague liar.

Posted by davinox on Dec-21-2002 21:07:

Posted by Michael Russo on Dec-22-2002 01:13:

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Originally posted by davinox
WORD UP!!

so few christians understand that.

hahaha davinox... maybe it's the other way around?

Posted by Mental Exodus on Dec-22-2002 07:28:

Tha bible is a compeling story of a manz life who thought living without greed ignorance and hate was tha way to go. So whats to think about or contradict? tha message is to live in peace and keep an open mind. WTF ARE U GUYZ DOING READING INTO IT SO MUCH!!!??? evolution ? MEtaphorz? science hasent actually found all tha missing pieces in evolution to link us DIRECTLY to apes. SO UNTIL THAT HAPPENS U CANT REALLY DO ANYTHING. THERES NO PROOF. And even if there was. what difrence would it make? maybee wed have to admit that we are wrong about somthing one more time in history. Kinda like tha world being flat. SO WHAT!!! big deal!!! tha message is still tha same.

Posted by trancedfarmer on Dec-22-2002 08:21:

Ive been thinking about that alot ... my friend killed himself yesterday morning... its confusing...

i believe in the present and dont expect anything else personally... i dont think science proves anything really

Posted by Izzy on Dec-23-2002 05:29:

ok maybe i made a bad point by taken a commandment as a metaphore, but i just meant that if we start to take stuff that are literaly written in the bible (ie earth was created in seven days) and start changing around the meanings, where do you draw the line? stuff like opinions on homosexuality, most of which come from different quotes out of certian stories, if they are left up to personaly interpratiation how can they be taken as absolute and universal?

Posted by drewfactor on Dec-23-2002 15:54:

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Originally posted by Izzy
ok maybe i made a bad point by taken a commandment as a metaphore, but i just meant that if we start to take stuff that are literaly written in the bible (ie earth was created in seven days) and start changing around the meanings, where do you draw the line? stuff like opinions on homosexuality, most of which come from different quotes out of certian stories, if they are left up to personaly interpratiation how can they be taken as absolute and universal?

I agree with what you are saying here. By starting to take some of the bible as metaphore then you create a slippery slope and where do you stop? Next thing you have is a vague meaningless text ie the bible, koran, torah etc...that no longer provides true authority. If you are a religious person then you need to take the text as religious authority. Hence I am not particularily religious!

It's like you can either be truly religious or part of some vague wishy washy religion and if so why bother? Just come up have your own beliefs.

I have no idea what happens when I die. I like to believe in a God/Higher being/Higher force. It should get sorted out, we all die, so I don't worry.

Posted by davinox on Dec-23-2002 18:36:

"You" weren't anywhere before you lived, so why do we "go" somewhere after we live?

Posted by Mental Exodus on Dec-23-2002 19:52:

How do u know that DAVI? Have u ever heard of subconcious reincarnation ?

Posted by Stassi on Dec-23-2002 20:03:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/21/s...21CND-JESU.html
this link belongs here for all the arguing about jesus existing or not.
not that i really care. My views on religion are mixes and therefore i take the scientific approach to life after death.
There is none.
The end.

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