My disgust towards the American Immigration

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Posted by capricorn15 on Dec-31-2002 23:47:

maxim303, your views are fuckin really closed minded. you say you arent american, well i think the US should opress you and make you live in a shit hole, just like how they do to the palestinians in isreal. just because they developed the land, it gives them a right to do with the inhabitants as they please?

Posted by Maxim303 on Jan-01-2003 00:28:

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Originally posted by liquidxxd
maxim303, your views are fuckin really closed minded. you say you arent american, well i think the US should opress you and make you live in a shit hole, just like how they do to the palestinians in isreal. just because they developed the land, it gives them a right to do with the inhabitants as they please?

do you know the difference between me and the palestinians? i contribute to the society around me and do not blow up clubs and buses. israel does not "opress" the palestinians just for fun, they do it to prevent attacks on innocent israeli civilains (and before you give me that innocent palestinain bullshit, random palestinians were interviewd and they praised the suicide murderers and said they would do the same).

Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-01-2003 00:45:

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Originally posted by Maxim303
do you know the difference between me and the palestinians? i contribute to the society around me and do not blow up clubs and buses. israel does not "opress" the palestinians just for fun, they do it to prevent attacks on innocent israeli civilains (and before you give me that innocent palestinain bullshit, random palestinians were interviewd and they praised the suicide murderers and said they would do the same).

First off.. we know that Israel isnt opressing the palestinians for fun.. thats not what i and others think...however.. there is an oppression,... and thats the point. The government uses opprsession thinking it will end the cycle of terrorism, but it wont.. more people will die and as a result vengence and hatred is created. Do you think these palestinians are born as terrrorists? Do you beleive that all palestinians are inherently full of madness? They are driven into it after they see their freinds being shot,, kids killed and families bulldozed by tanks. I wouldnt think you would sit there and say... let Arafat take care of this. You would want to do something about it... and unfortunately.. many have considered suicide bombing because of this. Their feelings of anger and vengence are coupled with religious fanaticism which leads to horrible consequences. And remember.. these are young teenagers/college students too...who are very vulnerable. As much as i hate to see terrorism happen to anyone on earth.. it will continue until those who are in power take a less hateful and violent approach to solve things.

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(and before you give me that innocent palestinain bullshit, random palestinians were interviewd and they praised the suicide murderers and said they would do the same).

I wont even dignify that with a response. I am sorry to say this.......but you are stupid. And i dont mean that in any derrogatory form.

Posted by malek on Jan-01-2003 00:52:

amen

Posted by capricorn15 on Jan-01-2003 01:24:

Posted by fastmp3 on Jan-01-2003 01:34:

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Originally posted by liquidxxd
shut up with that garbage, you are saying it like the whole country of the present did that. most of the people in the usa dont agree with what is going on. i think it is retarted. all that stuff about the indians and the blacks was int eh past, it cant be fixed, so just shut up with that.

it's not garbage it's the truth , this is how America built itself , and i'm not blaming it on the present persons.

I was just reminding you that the country that calls itself the most democratic and liberal and police of the world and all the useless bla bla bla is after all just as worse as a dictatorship anywhere else in the world.

and don't tell me to shut up , you shut up if you're not able to be polite in this conversation.

Posted by capricorn15 on Jan-01-2003 01:45:

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Originally posted by fastmp3
it's not garbage it's the truth , this is how America built itself , and i'm not blaming it on the present persons.

I was just reminding you that the country that calls itself the most democratic and liberal and police of the world and all the useless bla bla bla is after all just as worse as a dictatorship anywhere else in the world.

and don't tell me to shut up , you shut up if you're not able to be polite in this conversation.

ah ic, my bad. yea i took it in the wrong way, but it gets somewaht annoying when some people (im not saying you did this) but some people blame their problems on what happened in this country 200-250 years ago. yea sorry about being rude though

Posted by fastmp3 on Jan-01-2003 01:53:

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Originally posted by liquidxxd
ah ic, my bad. yea i took it in the wrong way, but it gets somewaht annoying when some people (im not saying you did this) but some people blame their problems on what happened in this country 200-250 years ago. yea sorry about being rude though

nevermind man it's all good

Posted by Yoepus on Jan-01-2003 18:45:

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Originally posted by liquidxxd
so you are labelling all palestinians as terrorist is that it? and hwo do you contribute to society, im curious? i know they dont opress for fun, but opression of everyone seems to be what is prevoking these attacks. you think if isreal wasnt trying to take over and just stayed in isreal, palestinians would come and blow up stuff in isreal, i find that hard to believe. i dont agree with the suicide bombing, but they dont just do it for no reason, did you ever think of that.
and note, i didnt say all palestinains were innocent. i agree taking innocnet lives is not right, but it makes it right for israel to do it and not palestine? not that i am saying two wrongs make a right, but your point of view is hippocritical. the israelis kill supposedly innocent people to protect other innocent people?

..guys if you want to debate the palestinian israel conflict, lets take it out to another thread

Although I doubt you guys will do it civilly there, I can no less prove to you that the occupation is not the cause of terror, nor will terror stop if Israel stops occupying the palestinians. Again, I can prove to you this with ration, logic, and examples. If you care to hear it, move this debate into another thread and I will gladly get into it.

Posted by capricorn15 on Jan-01-2003 21:33:

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Originally posted by Yoepus
..guys if you want to debate the palestinian israel conflict, lets take it out to another thread

Although I doubt you guys will do it civilly there, I can no less prove to you that the occupation is not the cause of terror, nor will terror stop if Israel stops occupying the palestinians. Again, I can prove to you this with ration, logic, and examples. If you care to hear it, move this debate into another thread and I will gladly get into it.

aite cool, start another thread, i want to hear your rational explanation for the terror =)

Posted by intrinsic on Jan-01-2003 23:26:

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
just read thru some of the stories, and points made so far and i hav to say im kinda sickened that this kind of thing still happens in this day and age. Why just because ur of a certain race make u more likely to be a terrorist? Bah! fuck America, and fuck george bush.

ok mike (and to anyone else who wants to respond), what should america do instead of "this kind of thing"?

Posted by intrinsic on Jan-01-2003 23:49:

Re: Re: Re: My disgust towards the American Immigration

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Its easier said than done. Would you tell a black person to "get over it" as they remember their enslaved ancestors? I dont think so.

I'm black, and I got over slavery a long time ago. Almost every black person I know has gotten over it, however we have not forgotten it. I feel that the best way to remember/show respect for my enslaved ancestors is not to forget where I came from and to make something of myself.

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Today, my sister and my brother were supposed to go to Los Angeles from Toronto until the immigration officer noticed her place of birth was Tehran, Iran. From here, they brought my sister into an interrogation room where she waited a good hour until questions began. Ultimately, she missed her flight over studpid questions that could have been answered at the desk as she was boarding the flight,,, but no,, the immigration services finds it right to racially profile, and discriminate people based on where they were born as a precaution for weeding out what they consider terrorists. At some points,, the immigration officers couldnt even answer questions my sister gave them....they were completely dumbfounded and knew what they were participating in was wrong and unethical. What if my sister had to go to a wedding, or an important business meeting? A jamaican woman who even worked at the airport told us that it was something all Jamaicans had to go through as well. This is truly very inconsiderate on behalf of the American government....and in a way.... it disgusts me on an extreme level.

There is so much anger in me right now that it is hard to phrase in words... and this is all due to the ignorance and prejudice that may people have to face. I would would thiink that racial discrimination executed on a federal level would have been a thing of the past, but sadly, we live in the year 2002 and this still occurs.

What are your opinions on this?

I would espescially like to see responses from the Americans on this board to the unjust racial profiling that has been issued in Airports this passed year on Koreans, Arabs, Iranians, south Asians and even some Europeans.

I do understand how it feels to be pulled aside and questioned just because of my race. I have been pulled over, handcuffed at gunpoint (twice to be exact) and subjected to questioning because I was black. Why? Because there had recently been a significant amount of killings where blacks were suspects. But I will reiterate what Busy Child said: "Its life, get over it".... The simple fact is that there are a few people in every race that make things worse for the rest of the people. You can't blame the authorities for pulling people aside because they fit a certain profile if there is a chance that it will save lives.

Ive noticed that everyone on this board that is showing their disgust at the United States for "racial profiling" has yet to propose an alternative solution to the problem. You think we should just sit back and let another event like 9/11 take place? If it means humiliating a few people (in response to ahlamalek post) to save lives, I feel that it is worth it. You can still live your life after being humiliated... I know, I have been humiliated several times (as I am pretty damn sure most of you have been at some point in your life). Never more so than being pulled over at gunpoint 3 blocks from your house.

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What if my sister had to go to a wedding, or an important business meeting?

Thats why you get to the airport early

Anyways, back to sleep. My head still hurts from last night.

Posted by malek on Jan-02-2003 00:21:

if the US had a legacy of good foreign policy and no double standards, and no "eye for an eye" doctrine, then i would have more empathy with the questionning of everyone not white... but still its difficult to accept. i hope you understand my point.

Posted by Yoepus on Jan-03-2003 00:51:

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Originally posted by liquidxxd
aite cool, start another thread, i want to hear your rational explanation for the terror =)

Ok I posted it here: take a look and feel free to argue at:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=82787

The re-opened thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83110

Posted by d3productions on Jan-04-2003 07:31:

Oh US INS just keeps getting better (read sarcasm in the last word).. check this out:

NY Times article

Here's the beginning of the article:

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U.S. to Make Airlines Give Data on Americans Going Overseas
By DAVID JOHNSTON
WASHINGTON, Jan. 3 � Americans traveling abroad would have to give the government detailed personal information before leaving or returning under an antiterrorism rule that the Immigration and Naturalization Service proposed today.

Everyone gets to join in the fun. Big Brother is on the rampage and no one can stop him.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Jan-04-2003 07:44:

Posted by intrinsic on Jan-04-2003 23:32:

quote:
Originally posted by d3productions
Oh US INS just keeps getting better (read sarcasm in the last word).. check this out:

NY Times article

Here's the beginning of the article:

Everyone gets to join in the fun. Big Brother is on the rampage and no one can stop him.

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This information must be submitted in advance: complete name; date of birth; citizenship; sex; passport number and country of issuance; country of residence; U.S. visa number, date and place of issuance, where applicable; alien registration number, where applicable; address while in the United States; and other information the attorney general may feel is necessary.

from the what is presented here, the information they want is nothing to really fuss about. however, i would love to know what other information the Aschcroft would deem as necessary.

Posted by d3productions on Jan-05-2003 05:11:

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by d3productions
Oh US INS just keeps getting better (read sarcasm in the last word).. check this out:

NY Times article

Here's the beginning of the article:

Everyone gets to join in the fun. Big Brother is on the rampage and no one can stop him.

quote:

This information must be submitted in advance: complete name; date of birth; citizenship; sex; passport number and country of issuance; country of residence; U.S. visa number, date and place of issuance, where applicable; alien registration number, where applicable; address while in the United States; and other information the attorney general may feel is necessary.

from the what is presented here, the information they want is nothing to really fuss about. however, i would love to know what other information the Aschcroft would deem as necessary.

Doesn't it seem a little odd that they want this info on Americans who go abroad though? It's one step short of having to get a visa to leave my own country.

Posted by occrider on Jan-07-2003 08:18:

A lot of arguments for the Palestinian cause state that people should examine the causes for why so many terror attacks occur against Israel. It just occurred to me that maybe people should examine why the American defense against terrorism is so prevalent amopng American politics whent they question our motives ... it only seems fair.

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