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Re: patriotism is racism now?

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech you call us racist???

did you miss my quote from mike??
occrider, I'm not refuting the mans got terror links, he's wanted in egypt for a car bombing, but he's just one man, not the 2 million that Mike was implying in the other post.....

Re: Re: patriotism is racism now?

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Originally posted by Az did you miss my quote from mike?? occrider, I'm not refuting the mans got terror links, he's wanted in egypt for a car bombing, but he's just one man, not the 2 million that Mike was implying in the other post.....

besides, i was 1 of the 2 million, or whatever number. and i'm not a terrorist.
people like slo'mo' would learn a lot from such a march: how 2 million people from all backgrounds can live in peace. not a scuffle, not a fight. just peace.

slomo

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anti-semitic" labelling you do to people on this board becuase of their disgust with Israels murderous military.

Israel has no such thing as a murderous military your full of shit!

Call me whatever u want, it doesn't stop the fact that im right!

Show me proof of israel's murderous army. What about America? they killed hundreds bombing the shit out of afgan, or the dozens of other countries that attack us??

israel goes through rigourous procedures to ensure that innocent people don't die. They don't air bomb terrorist sites because they don't want to hurt innocent civilans... but of course if 1 person dies while killing terrorists that have killed and will kill more, 1 person was being used a human shield by the terrorists and is killed, the entire israeli army is labelled 'murderous'...
ignorance leads to your statements!

so your full of shit!

name calling is funny

Just out of curiosity shlomo, how old are you?

Re: slomo

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech Israel has no such thing as a murderous military your full of shit! Call me whatever u want, it doesn't stop the fact that im right! Show me proof of israel's murderous army. What about America? they killed hundreds bombing the shit out of afgan, or the dozens of other countries that attack us?? israel goes through rigourous procedures to ensure that innocent people don't die. They don't air bomb terrorist sites because they don't want to hurt innocent civilans... but of course if 1 person dies while killing terrorists that have killed and will kill more, 1 person was being used a human shield by the terrorists and is killed, the entire israeli army is labelled 'murderous'... ignorance leads to your statements! so your full of shit! name calling is funny

For an Isreali or Jew who is sooo fond of his nation.. you dont know jack-shit about the disgusting atrocities that military has executedif you say they arent murderous....Honestly... i dont even want to dignify you with a response

You are a waste of my and others time here.... you are useless. IN fact.. youve taken the title of being a disgrace to jews from Melech-mike.

Re: slomo

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech israel goes through rigourous procedures to ensure that innocent people don't die. They don't air bomb terrorist sites because they don't want to hurt innocent civilans... but of course if 1 person dies while killing terrorists that have killed and will kill more, 1 person was being used a human shield by the terrorists and is killed, the entire israeli army is labelled 'murderous'... ignorance leads to your statements!

just a simple rebuttal to what might be a minute point in this argument, but Israel did indeed use aircraft, well at least once, in raids on terrorist sites. such as when they bombed the house of Hamas (or was it Hezbollah's) leader with an F-15, killing at least 14 memebers of his family (mostly children) in the process. I think Sharon did call this a "great success" as well. Now I'm sure you could counter by saying that since these were children of terrorists, they in the process of being brainwashed into being future terrorists and therefore they were not "innocent civilians" but that's not the point.

I do commend the Israeli army for doing what it can so that it ensures the least amount of collateral damage, though at some times I do feel that they take this license beyond a reasonable limit. I do feel that the way that they are approaching the situation on the diplomatic level leaves something else to be desired.

Just one more thing: since the news I mainly read is from what you would probably deem liberal media outlets, I enjoy very much hearing views and such from "the other side," especially in this forum. But most of what I have read lately from you (and from some others as well ) does nothing but degrade other people's views and incite bad feelings all around. If you wish for ppl such as myself to see and understand the way you see things, I would suggest that you write in a calm manner that clearly and reasonably set forth your argument. Believe me, subtlety works a lot better than inflammatory language when you are trying to prove a point. Right now, it seems that all you're trying to do in here is insult ppl and cause public disorder, rather than constructively exchange ideas and open up ppl to other ways of looking at the world, which I believe is the primary purpose behind a forum such as this.

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Originally posted by occrider Just out of curiosity shlomo, how old are you?

damn it occrider, just what i was going to ask!
anyway, let me answer 4 him: he has a mental age of 4. come on, give the poor babe his dummy back...

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Originally posted by NFA damn it occrider, just what i was going to ask! anyway, let me answer 4 him: he has a mental age of 4. come on, give the poor babe his dummy back...

I dunno ... I just think that young uns in general tend to use shit, fuck, dumbass, excessive caps (I'm guilty of that sometimes), etc. as punctuation. I wanted to see if my theory is correct

what's the point of trying to reason with fanatic jews like shlomo or malech, i mean really, whats the point

in fact have you ever, EVER, heard of a jew who doesn't hate palestinians; i haven't

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Originally posted by Nalin in fact have you ever, EVER, heard of a jew who doesn't hate palestinians; i haven't

that's only slightly narrow-minded

it's about on par with shlomo's theory that every Palestinian is a terrorist who wants to kill Israelis.

72% of Israelis are willing to withdraw from the West Bank
72% of Palestinians want to stop the intifada

This guy does not speak for all of them at all.

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Originally posted by IronDragon 72% of Israelis are willing to withdraw from the West Bank 72% of Palestinians want to stop the intifada This guy does not speak for all of them at all.

Yea I actually read somewhere that something like 90% of Israelis think that it is inevitable that a Palestinian state will be created. However the same number of Palestinians believe that that day will never come. The whole region in general is disgusting.

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Originally posted by Nalin what's the point of trying to reason with fanatic jews like shlomo or malech, i mean really, whats the point

actually, i quite enjoy it. when i feel a little low on self-esteem, i like to argue with dumb people. helps no end...

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Originally posted by NFA actually, i quite enjoy it. when i feel a little low on self-esteem, i like to argue with dumb people. helps no end...

hehe, i know, more of a rhetorical question

i know, sometimes it hard to just step back and say "fuck it, you're not worth it" to people who are so blatantly clueless/stupid

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Originally posted by Nalin in fact have you ever, EVER, heard of a jew who doesn't hate palestinians; i haven't

Another question: Have you ever encountered an Arab who DOESN'T hate Jews?

Come on, why generalize?

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Originally posted by Nalin what's the point of trying to reason with fanatic jews like shlomo or malech, i mean really, whats the point in fact have you ever, EVER, heard of a jew who doesn't hate palestinians; i haven't

yes, my former teacher....
and Trancegiant, I used to goto school with a palestinian girl, who's boyfriend was jewish, and went holiday with the family......
no score

lets face it: You take the 6 million israelis and the 5 million palestinians and put them into some big black box, get PVD Tiesto and Sasha play from them, distribute some good E and you can consider the problem solved.
its just politics, media, economy and religion which keeps such conflicts alive. sad but true

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Originally posted by TranceGiant lets face it: You take the 6 million israelis and the 5 million palestinians and put them into some big black box, get PVD Tiesto and Sasha play from them, distribute some good E and you can consider the problem solved. its just politics, media, economy and religion which keeps such conflicts alive. sad but true

I'm sure a lot of people thrive off of the culture of hate too. Like do you think bin laden would become a normal citizen if he got all of his demands? I doubt it ... people like that enjoy the power, the struggle, and attention that they get, and are unwilling to relinquish it for anything.

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Originally posted by occrider I'm sure a lot of people thrive off of the culture of hate too. Like do you think bin laden would become a normal citizen if he got all of his demands? I doubt it ... people like that enjoy the power, the struggle, and attention that they get, and are unwilling to relinquish it for anything.

or indeed they know no other way. take many irish terrorists (from both sides). they cannot come to grips with the peace process, because it goes against their whole way of life. many of the most extreme ones are moving on to the drugs trade and other criminal activities as violent resistance becomes smaller in scope.

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Originally posted by NFA or indeed they know no other way. take many irish terrorists (from both sides). they cannot come to grips with the peace process, because it goes against their whole way of life. many of the most extreme ones are moving on to the drugs trade and other criminal activities as violent resistance becomes smaller in scope.

What happened with the IRA? It seems that things were at a crisis in the 90s and nowadays you don't hear anything about it anymore (at least in the US). Did britain make some kind of concessions I don't know about or are the Irish more or less placated?

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Originally posted by occrider What happened with the IRA? It seems that things were at a crisis in the 90s and nowadays you don't hear anything about it anymore (at least in the US). Did britain make some kind of concessions I don't know about or are the Irish more or less placated?

the original IRA kind of disbanded after the last peace process, like NFA said, many going into drugs trafficking, some actually went to south american states and taught guerilla fighting techniques, others formed the "real IRA", but they haven't committed a proper terrorist attack of note in a fair while.....

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Originally posted by Az the original IRA kind of disbanded after the last peace process, like NFA said, many going into drugs trafficking, some actually went to south american states and taught guerilla fighting techniques, others formed the "real IRA", but they haven't committed a proper terrorist attack of note in a fair while.....

So do a lot of Irish still have gripes and detest Britain? I guess what I'm asking is is it safe for a British soldier to be walking around Ireland nowadays?

well, it's kind of hard to say exactly where the peace process lies.
in a nutshell, northern ireland was promised some autonomy throught the creation of it's own elected assembly, and other concessions included the reform of the RUC (royal ulster constabulary), and a significant reduction in army numbers. in exchange, the ira was to disarm.
the disraming process has been slow at best, and continued violence has brought about a suspension of the northern irland assembly. now things r in a bit of a status quo, with one party demanding to have the assembly back, and the other demanding ira disarmament.
on the whole, though, i think the outlook is positive. now, a majority of people r 4 the peace process and against the ira, though the usual tough guys r making a concerted effort at returning to the old conflict. stll, joe public has realised just how much more peaceful means have achieved.
actually, most of the violence in the past few months has been attributed to infighting in both loyalist and republican factions.

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Originally posted by occrider So do a lot of Irish still have gripes and detest Britain? I guess what I'm asking is is it safe for a British soldier to be walking around Ireland nowadays?

it's safer yes
but theres still extremist wankers on both sides......
tbh the UK needs to take the initiative, and give NI back to ireland....

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Originally posted by Az it's safer yes but theres still extremist wankers on both sides...... tbh the UK needs to take the initiative, and give NI back to ireland....

but that's the whole problem! few people in the UK give a shit about who NI belongs to, but half the pop of NI don't want to join the irish republic.

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