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an "untermensch" is a German word for sub-human. It was a term used by the Nazis to define people they wanted to get rid of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill.
Sure plenty of arabs want to kill westerners, Jews, Americans etc, never said they didnt, but the original post was about why Israel was so good, we can never do wrong, the arabs are terrorists, the arabs claims have no legitimacy, we didnt steal their land, we are entitled to their territory because the arabs states lost the war in 1967. So that is why I mention Israeli statements and actions not arab ones.
I could have gone on, the Tourism Minister who the PFLP assassinated who called the arabs vermin and wanted their removal from the occupied territories. Or even the boss Sharon who once said Jordan is Palestine. People seldom change. In all likelihood given his actions he still believes that is true.
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What the fuck is the thing now with all arabs being killer? why don't you guys show some fucking respect.
hey melech mike, is this what you believe right here
"I don't know something called 'International Principles.' I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian, I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do, but we tell others what they shall do."
Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel
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| Originally posted by hadi ****** hey melech mike, is this what you believe right here "I don't know something called 'International Principles.' I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian, I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do, but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel |
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| Originally posted by hadi ****** hey melech mike, is this what you believe right here "I don't know something called 'International Principles.' I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian, I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do, but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel |
thats what i found
I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child's existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, current Israeli Prime Minister, In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956
"You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. Even if you prove to me that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough.
Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered, just one! If anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms.
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it." Ariel Sharon to Amos Oz, editor of Davar, Dec. 17, 1982
"I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it." - Ariel Sharon, 1982
"After we become a strong force as the result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine." - David Ben-Gurion
"We must use terror, assassination, land confiscation and cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - from the Koenig Report
"Sharon was a killer obsessed with hatred of Palestinians. I had promised Arafat that his people would not get any harm. Sharon, however, ignored this commitment entirely. Sharon's word is worth nil." - Ambassador Philip Habib President Ronald Reagan's Special Middle East Envoy in 1982
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| Originally posted by ahlamalek thats what i found I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child's existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, current Israeli Prime Minister, In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956 "You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. Even if you prove to me that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered, just one! If anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms. Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it." Ariel Sharon to Amos Oz, editor of Davar, Dec. 17, 1982 "I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it." - Ariel Sharon, 1982 "After we become a strong force as the result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine." - David Ben-Gurion "We must use terror, assassination, land confiscation and cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - from the Koenig Report "Sharon was a killer obsessed with hatred of Palestinians. I had promised Arafat that his people would not get any harm. Sharon, however, ignored this commitment entirely. Sharon's word is worth nil." - Ambassador Philip Habib President Ronald Reagan's Special Middle East Envoy in 1982 |
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| Originally posted by ahlamalek What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. |
http://www.broeckers.com/jensen.htm
This quote, reported as fact, can only be found on anti-Isreal/pro-Palestinian websites:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Gene...0&sa=N&filter=0
"I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do."
- Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956
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Date sent: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:11:58 +0200
From: International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism - infoATict.org.il
Organization: International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism
Subject: Re: Ariel Sharon In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956
Hello,
The comment that you quoted is indeed an invention, and a rather lame one. To begin with, any public expression of such sentiments would be grounds for dismissing a soldier from the army. Hatred is considered to render the soldier incapable of clear judgement and unreliable in carrying out the will of the state. Indeed many young hotheads have been dismissed from active combat duty because of their expression of racist sentiments--sentiments that could have serious consequences in an army in which Jews serve alongside Druze and Bedouin Arab soldiers.
One clue to the fact that the comment is a pure fabrication is the use of the word "Palestinian." In 1956, the term had still not taken hold in reference to Palestinian Arabs, but was at times used to refer to Jews born in Mandatory Palestine prior to the establishment of Israel. The Arabs in Palestine often referred to themselves as residents of "Greater Syria," or of the new state of Jordan. Many were also eligible for citizenship in the new state of Iraq, by virtue of their parents having come from the region prior to the establishment of Iraq. However, a large number had been caught in the process of migrating to look for work at the very time when the modern states were being set up by the great powers, and thus found themselves stateless on arrival in Mandatory Palestine.
At any rate, the term "Palestinian Arab" was made popular only in the early 1960's by what eventually became Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, the Palestine Liberation Movement, which was founded in 1964. It did not catch on right away, and certainly had not gained enough provenance to have been used by Ariel Sharon in 1956. There is simply no way that an Israeli--and certainly not one expressing the sentiments ascribed to Sharon in this comment--would at that time have used the term "Palestinian" to refer to the Arabs. Even when the term began to be used by the PLO in the 1960's, it was scoffed at, on the grounds that there had never been any state in the region called Palestine (see Golda Meir's comment, "There is no such thing as the 'Palestinian people'," referring to the PLO's use of the term.).
I hope this will help to clarify things.
Sincerely,
Yael Shahar
International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism
As for the second post. Many websites that reference the article (which seem to be wholeheartedly anti-semitic, or pro-palestinian sites) credit it to the Palestinian Chronicle. Though I doubt they were the first to feature and credit it to the General. (http://palestinechronicle.com/artic...002040618433546). The article with in seems very uncredible and extremly biased regardless of your position on the issues.
Furthermore I am trying to uncover if there was every actually a General Ouze Merham serving for Israel around 1956, so far my searches have been inconclusive - they've found nothing, which leads me to believe he might not have even existed.
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OK after searching for quiet a bit more I found this;
http://www.geocities.com/myjoy18/arielsharon1956lie.htm
The above link makes a good case as to the crediability of the source, bascially the reference of the word "Palestinians", I'm still wondering wether that General was a real guy though.
dammit Occider stop stealing my sources!
Beating me to the punch huh? well... well, that just sucks.
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| Originally posted by Yoepus dammit Occider stop stealing my sources! Beating me to the punch huh? well... well, that just sucks. |
Well you beat me to that letter ... I was one link away from finding it when you posted it hehe.
Some more Arab propaganda for ya!
Once a liar, always a liar!
The governments and organizations of many Arab/Muslim countries cannot be trusted what so ever. These groups/regimes have publicly vowed the destruction of Israel. This in no way mean's they will limit their aggression to physical violence; all options are open to them including false accusations, lies, propaganda and incitement, all in a PR stunt to sway the international community to condemn Israel.
Only the gullible and ignorant citizen's of this world would believe such claims only reported on anti-israel/pro-arab websites.
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| Originally posted by melech_mike Some more Arab propaganda for ya! Once a liar, always a liar! The governments and organizations of many Arab/Muslim countries cannot be trusted what so ever. These groups/regimes have publicly vowed the destruction of Israel. This in no way mean's they will limit their aggression to physical violence; all options are open to them including false accusations, lies, propaganda and incitement, all in a PR stunt to sway the international community to condemn Israel. Only the gullible and ignorant citizen's of this world would believe such claims only reported on anti-israel/pro-arab websites. |
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| "Occupied Territories." The world has come to accept that all the territory outside of the 1948 Armistice line is "occupied." This is most destructive and factually incorrect. If that land was occupied, its occupiers were in succession Turks, British, Egyptians, and Jordanians. Yet, the world media and pundits never referred to the territory as occupied then. On the other hand, those lands had been considered as much a part of historic Palestine as Tel Aviv and Nazareth. In 1921, the British created Jordan from the lion's share of historic Palestine, barring Jewish settlement there. All the land west of the Jordan remained an undivided area for a Jewish homeland. Parts of that land were only separated from that historic connection by virtue of the Jordanian and Egyptian military occupation of the areas between 1948 and 1967. The Six-Day War re-established the centuries-old unity. The appropriate - and more accurate - terms are "disputed territories," "lands freed from Arab occupation," or "Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza District." And while we're at it, why is the land only called "occupied" when the alleged occupiers are Jews? |
as liquidxxd's post was in fact a fake, got some stuff here,a webpage
sent by my former general studies teacher (an Israeli)
"We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora."
�Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Palestinian refugees in March 1949.
"I have a list of Arab villages of which I specify that they must be cleaned to inhabit Jews in their places. It is necessary to transfer the Arabs from their country and to ban them from returning to it�It must be clear that there is no room for two people in this country. The only solution is Palestine without the Arabs."
�Joseph Weitz, organizer of the Palestinian deportation plans since 1948.
"There were 400 people in this village, about 50 ran away, three are still living, all the rest were deliberately massacred, voluntarily, because, I have notes, this troop is admirably disciplined and it only acts upon orders."
�A Red Cross delegate on the Massacre of Palestinian civilians from Deir Yassin village committed by Israeli troops. April, 9, 1948
some of the next statements could probably be easily proved or disproved by anyone who lives in israel
Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories. For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites
Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations Lebanon and Syria in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions.
not sure about this one
Israel's current prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally responsible" for the Sabra and Shatila massacres in Lebanon.
surely that couldn't be true 
It was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from running "Jews Only" job ads.
this one seems very likely
The Israeli foreign ministry pays two American public relations firms to promote Israel to Americans.
Sharon's coalition government includes a party -- Molodet which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories.
Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a Palestinian civilian bus and killed several people.
that'll give u fact finders some work to do 
Ahlamalek, please check your sources better next time, as well as some common sense... Do you believe Ariel Sharon is stupid and tactless? Say waht you want to say about him but the bottom line is know your enemies.
By the way, even if these were true, they are from 1982 the latest, if you can expect Yasser Araffat to change into a peaceful leader from a terrorist in such a much shorter time, how can you not allow Sharon the benefit of the doubt?
Ok Az let me just run down them from a quick perspective.
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| Originally posted by Az "We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora." �Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Palestinian refugees in March 1949. |
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| "I have a list of Arab villages of which I specify that they must be cleaned to inhabit Jews in their places. It is necessary to transfer the Arabs from their country and to ban them from returning to it�It must be clear that there is no room for two people in this country. The only solution is Palestine without the Arabs." �Joseph Weitz, organizer of the Palestinian deportation plans since 1948. |
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| "There were 400 people in this village, about 50 ran away, three are still living, all the rest were deliberately massacred, voluntarily, because, I have notes, this troop is admirably disciplined and it only acts upon orders." �A Red Cross delegate on the Massacre of Palestinian civilians from Deir Yassin village committed by Israeli troops. April, 9, 1948 |
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Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories. For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians. |
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| Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites |
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| Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations Lebanon and Syria in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions. |
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| not sure about this one Israel's current prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally responsible" for the Sabra and Shatila massacres in Lebanon. |
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| It was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from running "Jews Only" job ads. |
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| The Israeli foreign ministry pays two American public relations firms to promote Israel to Americans. |
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| Sharon's coalition government includes a party -- Molodet which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories. |
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| Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a Palestinian civilian bus and killed several people. |
I'll let the sourceful guyz verify the rest, as for these:
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| Originally posted by Az some of the next statements could probably be easily proved or disproved by anyone who lives in israel Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories. For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15% must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians. |
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| Originally posted by Az Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites |
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| Originally posted by Az Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations Lebanon and Syria in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions. |
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| Originally posted by Az not sure about this one Israel's current prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally responsible" for the Sabra and Shatila massacres in Lebanon. surely that couldn't be true |
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| Originally posted by Az It was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from running "Jews Only" job ads. this one seems very likely The Israeli foreign ministry pays two American public relations firms to promote Israel to Americans. |
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| Originally posted by Az Sharon's coalition government includes a party -- Molodet which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories. |
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| Originally posted by Az Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a Palestinian civilian bus and killed several people. |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike Some more Arab propaganda for ya! Once a liar, always a liar! The governments and organizations of many Arab/Muslim countries cannot be trusted what so ever. |
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These groups/regimes have publicly vowed the destruction of Israel. |
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This in no way mean's they will limit their aggression to physical violence; all options are open to them including false accusations, lies, propaganda and incitement, all in a PR stunt to sway the international community to condemn Israel. |
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Only the gullible and ignorant citizen's of this world would believe such claims only reported on anti-israel/pro-arab websites. |
odrori, thats taken from the html document I was sent, I haven't called anyone settlers, the words used on the page.....
although a lot of it seems quite worrying.....
Yoepus, regarding the philosopher, he was there at the time, and it was his point of view at that time, maybe you'd want to do some research on him?
"again, so?"
this you should be worried about, Joseph Weitz was the man employed by the government to oversee the relocation of the palestinians. With a man with that power, and an attitude like that, it's easy to see why the problems have esculated so much.
Regarding the Ariel Sharon matter, thats an absolute disgrace.....
i hope this issue is taken off the 'back-burner' soon....
it's taken long enough, and it's definatly not going to be an easy task.... esp. with Sharon's new government....
I think sacrifices will have to be made from all sides of the issue.... and i personally don't think Sharon is the man for the job.
he refuses to even meet with Arafat..... As for Arafat.... i'm sure we all agree that the palestinians are better off without him....
btw....maybe someone could answer this.... Why hasn't Israel killed Arafat yet?????
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| Originally posted by Tranex02 btw....maybe someone could answer this.... Why hasn't Israel killed Arafat yet????? |
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