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Originally posted by Magnetonium As sad as it might sound, it is a possibility ... we humans are baaaaaaad. We tend to abuse things ...

some people like to abuse black holes

Oooopsies

Not abusing the black holes (you wish), I meant to say we as humans abuse stuff ..... like nature, technology .... and whoever gets their hands on time travel will have the ability to use it in harmful ways, dont you think .....

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Not abusing the black holes (you wish), I meant to say we as humans abuse stuff ..... like nature, technology .... and whoever gets their hands on time travel will have the ability to use it in harmful ways, dont you think .....

If you are right whoever does invent it first has to be very carefull IMO when traveling to the past just by doing that he is changing the timeline and by talking to someone you could chage allot even killing yourself because the person you talked to had to do with your birth and if you go to the future you are going to a different timeline without you in it so not really your future because you dissapeared. So if you think of it like this its pointless. Ofcourse then comes intoplay all that crap that "what if you were meant to go back in time" if you can time travel (meaning you can travel at the speed of light or faster) it would be interesting to travel the stars instead of timelines.

I don't think you could go back in time and kill yourself or anyone or destroy anyone/anything because then it would have ceased to exist in the future therefore you would have never had the drive to go back in time and kill/destroy anyone/anything.

Ok this is a interesting thread, but you people say that when you go closer to the Black Hole, time stops or slows down...

How has this been proven?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium After spending over 2 hours reading this through this thread, I came to these conclusions: Time travel may very likely exist, but we may never know that, not in our lifetime at least. We can prove it exists, but the dark groups of people who control this technology and ability to bend time may have strong affiliations with future world governing bodies which have already set up a future for themselves the way they want it, changed it and altered it using time travel technology with such precision that noone may ever find a trace of this (noone will even suspect they did anything). Whoever invents time travel FIRST into past/future and back-and-forth will possess the power to monopolize the outcome of the world and will not let another institution to use this technology, that is eliminating them before or after finding about their existence, and stuff like that. Thats a lot of power. This is a very dangerous technology. Ok, now ... tell me if I am right on this or not. Lets say matter enters a black hole, which freezes time and that trapped matter will eventually exit onto a different time zone, possibly millions, billions or whatever years into the future or the past. Then the exit point would be in the same area (or on the opposite, white hole.) of the location of the black hole, the same pla ce but in the different time, lets say many billions of years before our universe had began, thus making a universe on a different time-space continuum. Or way into the future, where our universe is "lights out" by the forces of black energy ... After all, Hubble space telescope have documented a fabric in space that spewed out into our universe from apparently nowhere vast amounts of energy. Have an article about this, have to find it ... Contact was a really great movie, one of my all-time favourites. A lot of great points, a lot of great ideas ... There are some lines in the movie used in some electronica tracks .... hehe ("But i guess i'd say it is just an awful waste of space" etc etc)

Explain to me exactly how u jumping into a black hole is gonna put the universe on rewind.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium After spending over 2 hours reading this through this thread, I came to these conclusions: Time travel may very likely exist, but we may never know that, not in our lifetime at least. We can prove it exists, but the dark groups of people who control this technology and ability to bend time may have strong affiliations with future world governing bodies which have already set up a future for themselves the way they want it, changed it and altered it using time travel technology with such precision that noone may ever find a trace of this (noone will even suspect they did anything). Whoever invents time travel FIRST into past/future and back-and-forth will possess the power to monopolize the outcome of the world and will not let another institution to use this technology, that is eliminating them before or after finding about their existence, and stuff like that. Thats a lot of power. This is a very dangerous technology. Ok, now ... tell me if I am right on this or not. Lets say matter enters a black hole, which freezes time and that trapped matter will eventually exit onto a different time zone, possibly millions, billions or whatever years into the future or the past. Then the exit point would be in the same area (or on the opposite, white hole.) of the location of the black hole, the same pla ce but in the different time, lets say many billions of years before our universe had began, thus making a universe on a different time-space continuum. Or way into the future, where our universe is "lights out" by the forces of black energy ... After all, Hubble space telescope have documented a fabric in space that spewed out into our universe from apparently nowhere vast amounts of energy. Have an article about this, have to find it ... Contact was a really great movie, one of my all-time favourites. A lot of great points, a lot of great ideas ... There are some lines in the movie used in some electronica tracks .... hehe ("But i guess i'd say it is just an awful waste of space" etc etc)

I must say I enjoy reading your conspiracy theories a lot

Anyway, once an object enters the black hole's event horizon, there's no way it's ever going to get out again, so the only thing that's going to happen to it is that it's gonna be sucked up and destroyed.

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Originally posted by caddyshack yeah your right. mass = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) amazing isn't it even ME! i guess we're all show-offs now

Actually it's more like the energy needed to accelerate that mass is approaching infinity.

E=mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

The kinetic energy would be

Ek=E-mc^2=mc^2(1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)-1)

So when the velocity approaches c, a very large increase in energy causes only a minor increase in speed. I guess you could say it appears that the mass is increasing, but that's only if you treat v^2/c^2 as a constant rather than a variable.

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis Ok this is a interesting thread, but you people say that when you go closer to the Black Hole, time stops or slows down... How has this been proven?

It's been proven that gravitational fields cause time distortion. And Black Holes theoretically have stronger gravitational attraction than any other phenomena in the universe. Thus time slows way down.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Not abusing the black holes (you wish), I meant to say we as humans abuse stuff ..... like nature, technology .... and whoever gets their hands on time travel will have the ability to use it in harmful ways, dont you think .....

i know what you meant. some people are abusing our posts here too.

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Originally posted by Trancention I don't think you could go back in time and kill yourself or anyone or destroy anyone/anything because then it would have ceased to exist in the future therefore you would have never had the drive to go back in time and kill/destroy anyone/anything.

that is one of them time paradoxes that we can't answer until we try them out.



why do you people always need to have everything explained to you? i repeat, even the most genius physicists can't prove this stuff. so you can believe it or not, but don't dismiss it just because you don't have proof.

'time' does not exist. it's just a word that man invented, like 'love'.. time travel is not possible.

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Originally posted by tor8024 'time' does not exist. it's just a word that man invented, like 'love'.. time travel is not possible.

so you are saying that love doesn't exist either?

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Originally posted by whiskers so you are saying that love doesn't exist either?

as a physical entity it doesn't, no. it is an abstract notion..

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Originally posted by tor8024 'time' does not exist. it's just a word that man invented, like 'love'.. time travel is not possible.

Again I say, a notion does not have to be a material object in order to exist.

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Originally posted by tor8024 as a physical entity it doesn't, no. it is an abstract notion..

So I suppose you'd also say that gravity, electromagnetism, and sound don't exist either?

I can't understand what this guy's getting at... time is a measurable quantity!

what i'm saying is that 'time' is something man invented. gravity, magnetism, etc. are physical phenoma that already existed before man measured and defined them. 'time' is an abstract notion man created himself. the comparison with love was not that clear, sorry for that..

what i mean is that phisically it is not possible to travel through time. you can't go back ten years and meet your younger self. that's because it isn't a physical phenomenon, the universe's existance is not based on the notion 'time'.

http://www.johntitor.com

hope you guys can appreciate this.

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Originally posted by tor8024 what i'm saying is that 'time' is something man invented. gravity, magnetism, etc. are physical phenoma that already existed before man measured and defined them. 'time' is an abstract notion man created himself. the comparison with love was not that clear, sorry for that.. what i mean is that phisically it is not possible to travel through time. you can't go back ten years and meet your younger self. that's because it isn't a physical phenomenon, the universe's existance is not based on the notion 'time'.

Um, no, you're totally wrong about this. Time is not an abstract notion invented by men, time does exist and time is a physical phenomenon. Unlike magnetism or gravity which are forces, time is a dimension. Not quite the same as other 3 dimensions, as is quite obvious, but a dimension nevertheless. Let's assume a universe with (x,y,z,t) coordinates, the first 3 being spatial coordinates, while the last one being a temporal coordinate. Now put two objects in that universe, one with coordinates (x1,y1,z1,t1) and the other one with coordinates (x1,y1,z1,t2). If time was non existant, those two objects would overlap. Now make a little experiment. Put an apple in your hand. Then drop it and put an orange in your hand. Do apple and orange overlap? My guess is no. Yet they had exactly the same spatial coordinates, while the temporal coordinate was different. Therefore time is an existand dimension, as two objects with same spatial coordinates and a different temporal coordinate do not overlap. There, I hope that explained the obvious.

We are all traveling through time, only we don't have any impact on the direction of the travel. We can, however, have a mild impact on the speed of that travel.

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Originally posted by Abject Silver http://www.johntitor.com hope you guys can appreciate this.

well, all i can say is that it's rather disturbing. one possibility is that the guy was really schizophrenic and imagined a new reality for himself. i doubt someone would intentionally come up with such stuff and carry it on for months.


even if it is all fake, it's still chilling to read that, because fake or not fake, it is POSSIBLE.


btw, what's your take on this, abject silver?

holy crabs, fake or not, this guy stirred up some major shit storms on the internet. way to go.

OMG!!! Thread of the Century, i love this to bits...

i was reading that John Titor site, and i don't know if it's fake or not but most things he states seem very true indeed, he claims after the 2004 Olympic Games there will be no more games, i think we can base a truth or lie on this. I guess we have to wait and see if there will be any more games...if there aren't, be scared.

EDIT: He also states that the Arabs never use Weapons Of Mass Destruction on US but themselves...In some point this is very true. The Arabs have indeed used it against themselves and other Arab Countries, but never on a Western Country, i might be wrong though but i'm starting to believe this John Titor guy even more...now i know what to believe and what not to believe but you never know what technological secrets we have.

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis OMG!!! Thread of the Century, i love this to bits... i was reading that John Titor site, and i don't know if it's fake or not but most things he states seem very true indeed, he claims after the 2004 Olympic Games there will be no more games, i think we can base a truth or lie on this. I guess we have to wait and see if there will be any more games...if there aren't, be scared.

yes, i don't want to speculate on the subject of whether it's true or not, but to read most of it, he makes very valid arguments and he seems to be rather calm in what he says. none of that heroical "OMFG, i'm from the future, save your souls" stuff, he seems to be lost, confused, and not sure what to do. just an interesting read. made quite a few people on the internete go wild over it though

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Um, no, you're totally wrong about this. Time is not an abstract notion invented by men, time does exist and time is a physical phenomenon. Unlike magnetism or gravity which are forces, time is a dimension. Not quite the same as other 3 dimensions, as is quite obvious, but a dimension nevertheless. Let's assume a universe with (x,y,z,t) coordinates, the first 3 being spatial coordinates, while the last one being a temporal coordinate. Now put two objects in that universe, one with coordinates (x1,y1,z1,t1) and the other one with coordinates (x1,y1,z1,t2). If time was non existant, those two objects would overlap. Now make a little experiment. Put an apple in your hand. Then drop it and put an orange in your hand. Do apple and orange overlap? My guess is no. Yet they had exactly the same spatial coordinates, while the temporal coordinate was different. Therefore time is an existand dimension, as two objects with same spatial coordinates and a different temporal coordinate do not overlap. There, I hope that explained the obvious. We are all traveling through time, only we don't have any impact on the direction of the travel. We can, however, have a mild impact on the speed of that travel.

First, as to John Titor:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.johntitor.com
this site is relatively new or the wayback machine for some reason isn't indexing it (unlikely).
I call bullshit, everything is way to vague to be true. Posting on forums? what forums? If you were a time-traveller from the future you would surely expect the time you travel back to to disbelieve your claims, so it would be rather pragmatic to predict something in the near future. His posts are from 4 years ago, supposedly... sept. 11th would be something (i would think) that he would make direct reference to.

As for time travel being possible, theoretically, yes, in practice? no way, not with our current understanding of the physical environment (or more properly, our ability to manipulate it).

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/time.html


trying to understand that stuff at 11pm on a sunday night is a little bit overwhelming, but it makes sense nonetheless. interesting.

WTF: http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/glossar...er_paradox.html


that's awesome!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by djSlain i was just wondering (all this came from public schools in california ) When u are in a boat going 10 mph, and the river is moving with u at 20 mph, then you should be going 30 mph. If light is traveling at C speed, can't u just blow (with breath) into a a beam of light or something and make it go C+N (n is the mph of your blow) MPH? light going faster then the speed of light...... ?

Light does not abide with Newton's laws. Driving your car at 100mph, and shining the headlights, will NOT result in the light from the headlights to go at c+100mph. Light ALWAYS travels at a constant rate (3.00 * 10^8m/s, approx). The speed of light is the only constant in the universe, time is what bends to it.

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