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Originally posted by Fir3start3r and thankfully they're old news...

Thankfully?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r and thankfully they're old news...

Old news?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r One would hope the Iranian government would want to help it's people but their actions simply aren't reflecting that. If I could read their minds, believe me I'd love to, but that's the million dollar question isn't it? - What does Iran want? Until then, all we have to go on is their actions and words which haven't been exactly encouraging. I'd love to be wrong but it's up to them to prove that now.

Imo, Iran wants what Saddam wanted. A sphere of influence in the Middle East. Power and influence. Any country in the world that operates under a different ideology/political system to Liberal Democracy is under threat from America (PNAC's own words). Iraq, Syria and Iran were/are all under threat from neoconservative "democratisation" (ie regime change). Iraq had been the neocon target for well over a decade and as soon as they got their chance, they took Saddam out (under the guise of the war on terror). Iran knows it is next (find me someone who disagrees!). However, Iran finds itself in a good position. With American forces stretched in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran knows it is safe for the time being. As soon as Iraq becomes stable enough for American military personel to be completely pulled out they will go straight into Iran (hence, imo, Iran's meddling in Iraq). The only way for Iran to prevent this is with a nuclear deterrent (see North Korea). Bare in mind what I think Iran's aim is (Middle Eastern dominance, which = power and influence on the global stage). And then consider what the result of a nuclear strike on Israel would be. Israel (and quite possibly America) would launch a second strike, completely annhilating Iran, and therefore ending any Iranian desires to dominate the Middle East (or convert the world to Islam if you believe that crap). A nuclear Iran would be quite capable of dominating the Middle East without battering an eyelid at Israel's existance. For the purpose of controlling the Middle East (oil supplies), Israel is insignificant.

Iran's leader is certainly a cocky little shit, but he is anything but "crazy" and he knows that making anti-Israel rhetoric is a great way to curry favour with the rest of the Middle Eastern populance (which in turn would make his ambitions to be the Middle Eastern 'superpower' that much more easier)

That's my opinion anyway

I wonder what Shimon Peres' New Middle East had anything to say.

Wow, here's the understatement of the year...
(emphasis is mine)

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Nasrallah sorry for scale of war Hezbollah chief Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah has said he would not have ordered the capture of two Israeli soldiers if he had known it would lead to such a war. "Had we known that the kidnapping of the soldiers would have led to this, we would definitely not have done it," he said in an interview on Lebanese TV. He added that neither side was "heading towards a second round" of fighting. More than 1,000 Lebanese died in the 34-day conflict which left much of southern Lebanon in ruins. The Israeli offensive began after two Israeli soldiers were seized during a cross border raid by Hezbollah militants on 12 July. Annan visit "We did not think that there was a 1% chance that the kidnapping would lead to a war of this scale and magnitude," Sheikh Nasrallah said. "Now you ask me if this was 11 July and there was a 1% chance that the kidnapping would lead to a war like the one that has taken place, would you go ahead with the kidnapping? "I would say no, definitely not, for humanitarian, moral, social, security, military and political reasons. "Neither I, Hezbollah, prisoners in Israeli jails and nor the families of the prisoners would accept it." Sheikh Nasrallah was speaking on the eve of a visit to Beirut by United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan to discuss the expanded UN peacekeeping force to be deployed in southern Lebanon. A force of 15,000 soldiers, 7,000 of them from European Union states, will be deployed to maintain the fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah. The UN hopes to have some of the troops on the ground within a week, although the foreign minister of Finland - which currently holds the EU presidency - has said it will be two to three months before the whole force is deployed. The force will be led by France until February, at which time Italy will take command. Speaking in Brussels on Friday, Mr Annan said the plan would only work if the enlarged UN force, called Unifil 2, was "strong, credible and robust". Mr Annan said the force offered the possibility of a "durable ceasefire and long-term solution" to the Middle East crisis. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/...ast/5291420.stm Published: 2006/08/27 18:28:14 GMT

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What would they care? They would all become martyrs in their holy Jihad anyways right?

eh, i know you don't mean that.

I think u should delete that post.

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Originally posted by Abhay eh, i know you don't mean that. I think u should delete that post.

If you think I meant all of them; you'd be mistaken.
I was refurring to the extremists in control.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Wow, here's the understatement of the year...

i know, who would have known that Israeli war crimes would be more plentiful and destructive than anything those Hezbollah 'terrorists' could be capable of

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Originally posted by tathi i know, who would have known that Israeli war crimes would be more plentiful and destructive than anything those Hezbollah 'terrorists' could be capable of

Guess they'll be thinking about that before they do it again huh?

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Originally posted by tathi i know, who would have known that Israeli war crimes would be more plentiful and destructive than anything those Hezbollah 'terrorists' could be capable of

unlucky...

When finishing most "statements of intention" the line "god willing" is added..

I guess allah doesnt like the lebonese very much (not unlike the ROW)

true, conventional terrorism could never stand up against Israeli State-Sanctioned Terrorism

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Wow, here's the understatement of the year... (emphasis is mine) >>Source<<

Well I'm glad that after this change of heart Narssalha released the Israeli soldiers he kidnapped.

NOT.

israel has been occupying south lebanon illegally since the war.

are they gonna let go???

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Originally posted by Shakka I agree with you 100%. I'm just pointing out that Purple is spouting out complete unadulterated bullshit. They are NOT starving for nuclear energy. Their economic progression is not being held up because of nuclear deprivation. They are sitting on one of the top 5 oil reserves in the known world--there is simply no logic to what Purple said.

maybe they just really care about the environment.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Well I'm glad that after this change of heart Narssalha released the Israeli soldiers he kidnapped. NOT.

Hezbollah should have no moral obligation to release the kidnapped soldiers until Israel releases the thousands of people its kidnapped. And hopefully Narssalha will keep them detained until this happens.

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Originally posted by Abhay israel has been occupying south lebanon illegally since the war. are they gonna let go???

But its part of Israels foreign policy to occupy other people lands. So i doubt they will let go.

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Originally posted by sasslife unlucky... When finishing most "statements of intention" the line "god willing" is added.. I guess allah doesnt like the lebonese very much (not unlike the ROW)

I like it when they say that.. 'Inshah Allah' is the exact word I guess.

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'Million bomblets' in S Lebanon Up to a million cluster bomblets discharged by Israel in its conflict with Hezbollah remain unexploded in southern Lebanon, the UN has said. The UN's mine disposal agency says about 40% of the cluster bombs fired or dropped by Israel failed to detonate - three times the UN's previous estimate. It says the problem could delay the return home of about 200,000 displaced people by up to two years. The devices have killed 14 people in south Lebanon since the August truce. The manager of the UN's mine removal centre in south Lebanon, Chris Clark, said Israel had failed to provide useful information of its cluster bomb strikes, which could help with the clearance operation. Last month, the UN's humanitarian chief, Jan Egeland, accused Israel of "completely immoral" use of cluster bombs in the conflict. Israel says all its weapons and munitions, as well as their use, comply with international law. 'Threat to life' Mr Clark said Israel fired up to 6,000 bombs, rockets and artillery a day into Lebanon during the 34-day conflict. quote: CLUSTER BOMBS Canisters packed with hundreds of bomblets Fired from the ground or dropped by aircraft Bomblets dispersed while bombs in mid-air He said more than 40,000 cluster bomblets had been cleared since the fighting ended on 14 August, but many more remained scattered "in bushes, trees, hedges and wire fences". Mr Clark said information Israel had provided to help with the bomblets' clearance had been "useless". "We have asked for grid references for [cluster bomb] strikes," he said. "We have not received them so far." The UN's refugee agency said the danger of unexploded cluster bombs meant some 200,000 people displaced by the conflict would not be able to return home for up to two years, rather than 12 months as previously forecast. "This is clearly the biggest threat to civilian life," said Arjun Jain, of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Hundreds of bomblets are packed into the cluster bombs, which are fired from the ground or dropped by aircraft. The bombs detonate in mid-air, dispersing the drinks-can sized bomblets over a wide area. Those which do not explode on impact become like anti-personnel mines. The use of cluster bombs is not prohibited under international law.

Source: BBC

absolutely fucking disgusting!

Video journalists under siege:

Real Videos: IDF shooting journalists Part 1 Part 2 Part 3

FRONTLINE /WORLD . ISRAEL/PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES - In the Line of Fire...

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Video journalists under siege: Real Videos: IDF shooting journalists Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 FRONTLINE /WORLD . ISRAEL/PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES - In the Line of Fire...

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out once I get back home.

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Israel admits phosphorus bombing Israel has for the first time admitted it used controversial phosphorus shells during fighting against Hezbollah in Lebanon in July and August. Cabinet minister Jacob Edery confirmed the bombs were dropped "against military targets in open ground". Israel had previously said the weapons were used only to mark targets. Phosphorus weapons cause chemical burns and the Red Cross and human rights groups say they should be treated as chemical weapons. The Geneva Conventions ban the use of white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas. Hospitals Mr Edery says he confirmed during a parliamentary session last week on behalf of Defence Minister Amir Peretz that the weapons were used in fighting. "The Israeli army made use of phosphorus shells during the war against Hezbollah in attacks against military targets in open ground," he said. No information was given on when, where or how the shells were used. Lebanon had accused Israel of using the weapons but at the time Israeli officials said they were only for marking. Lebanese President Emile Lahoud said in late July: "According to the Geneva Convention, when they use phosphorus bombs and laser bombs, is that allowed against civilians and children?" Doctors in hospitals in southern Lebanon had said they suspected some of the burns they were seeing were being caused by phosphorus bombs. Israeli forces said the arms used in Lebanon did not contravene international norms.

Source: BBC

there was a documentary recently with eye witness accounts of third parties and human rights organisations contesting that Israel were targetting civilian houses and convoys where there were no Hezbollah in the area, :/

and i heard a few people are dieing every day because of the unexploded cluster bomb bomblets that were scattered throughout civilian areas of lebanon?

Isnt it amazing how everything is peacefull and normal in middle east / Plaestine.. Hamas no more a problem, no more 'terrorists' attacking Israel..

and than suddenly one day Israel will again roar its tanks into Gaza/West Bank and Palestines will be blamed again.

Israel decides when it wants peace and when it dosent.

While i do sympathise with the Palestinians over the Israelis, no conflict is ever that one sided. Neither side truly wants peace.

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