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| Originally posted by culorut Well the evidence is there so it means thermate was present. How much of it exactly is not known yet but keep talking shit if you want. 9/11 Debunkers Hide From Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site proves thermate, proves collapse of twin towers was an act of deliberate arson. Professor Steven Jones presented brand new and compelling evidence for the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 recently, but the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson. During a talk at the Rebuilding America's Senses event at the University of Texas last month, Jones laid out facts about steel samples recovered from the WTC site that Popular Mechanics dare not even attempt to debate. Debunkers are scared to even get near this information because the science behind it fundamentally contradicts the official story of what happened on 9/11. Jones detailed his lab experiments in which he attempted to replicate NIST's conclusion that the lava like orange material flowing out of the south tower is aluminum from Flight 175, the plane that hit the building. Jones clearly documents the fact that liquid aluminum is silver and not orange as is seen in the video of the south tower, therefore the material cannot be aluminum. Jones then explains that the material is in fact a compound that can cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, thermite with sulphur added to make thermate. http://www.911blogger.com/node/8808 |
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Alex Jones, professional conspiracy theorist radio host, has said Jones found evidence of thermite. This isn't true. What Jones found was something which would have been in the debris pile anyway. Sulfur... WTC thermite sulfur In Steven Jones' PDF "Answers to Objections and Questions", to support his claim for Sol-gels/Thermite he states: "One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," However when you look at the link he uses http://www.newsday.com/news/health/...age-right-area You find out Mr. Jones edits out the VERY next line which states "He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers." Apparently, Jones felt this was not important enough for his readers to know. |
and no one in their right mind would/could use thermite to bring down a building like the WTCs. and i am still waiting for a credible argument of how thousands of tonnes of thermite was hidden, how thermite could possibly be used to cut steel columns in such a reliable and predictable way to be suitable for demolitions, and why on earth cretinrot is ignoring all of colonelcrisp's expertise and (once again) dodging the issue?
Professor Graeme MacQueen of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
As straight forward as it gets. Common sense is all that is needed.
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| Originally posted by culorut Professor Graeme MacQueen of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. As straight forward as it gets. Common sense is all that is needed. |
last time i checked the association of professional engineers of ontario didnt license professors of RELIGIOUS STUDIES as qualified structural engineers...... thats like asking a catholic priest to debunk evolution.....
when are you CT'ers going to come up with some credible sources?
so far we have seen:
-crackpots who claimed to have discovered cold fusion
-religious studies professors from mcmaster
-fucking janitors.......
-youtube - the mother of all sources......
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| when are you CT'ers going to come up with some credible sources? |
Engineers
(Degreed & Licensed)
J. Marx Ayres, PE, Mechanical Engineer
Santa Monica, CA
Robert Nielson, PLS, Land Surveyor
Walnut Creek, CA
John F. Shanahan, PE, Electrical Engineer
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Joseph Testa, P.E., Civil Engineer
Thousand Oaks, CA
Nazareth "Blue" Lansing, Engineer
Houston, TX
Dr. Michael Voschine, PhD., Structural Engineer
Miami, Florida
John Franklin, P.E.
Lubec, ME
Peter Gibbons P.E., Professional Engineer
Mccausland,, Iowa
Mr. Cameron Porter PHD, Mechanical Engineer
Boston, Massachusetts
Peter D. Morse, P.E., Mechanical Engineer
Tucson, Arizona
Tim Rohach P.E., Mechanical Engineer MSME
Sugar Land, Texas
Barry K. Miller, P.E., Mechanical Engineer
Hinsdale, NY
Charles N. Pegelow, PE, Civil Engineer. lic Calif CE 26344 (Structural)
Houston, Texas
Ron Paul LeBlanc, PE, Engineer
Firestone, CO
Dennis J. Kollar, P.E., Structural Engineer
West Bend, WI
Engineering Professionals
(Degreed)
Gregg Brazel, BSCNE, Constr. Engr'g
Evanston, IL
Ted Muga, BSCE, Civil Engineer
San Diego, CA
Ken Kious, Electrical Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA
Kevin Ryan, BS Chem., Certified Quality Engineer
Bloomington, IN
Ken Jenkins, BS Carnegie Mellon, Electrical Engineer
San Rafael, CA
John Shinn, phD., Chemical Engineer
Pleasant Hill, CA
John Rexroat, Mfr. Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA
Anthony Szamboti, BSME, Mechanical Engineering
Blackwood, NJ
Jason Griffin, BS, Civil Engineer
Washington Dc,
Jay Easwaran, Ph.D. (Metallurgy & Materials Sci.), Metallurgical Engineer
Indianapolis, Indiana
John Sotelo, BSME, MD, Mechanical Engineer
Eureka, CA
S. Drake, Electrical Engineer
Bear, DE
Ron Wilson, Engineering Staff
Fort Worth, Texas
David Gregg Ph.D., Chemical Engineer
Moraga, California
James Brooks, B. Civil Eng, University of Texas, Engineering Consultant
Austin, TX
Andrew Griffith B.S. Chemical Engineering, Engineering
Seattle, WA
Richard Besco, Engineering Staff
San Luis Obispo, CA
Keith E. Fleming BS Mechanical Engineering, Engineering Staff
Auburn, GA
Mike Meyer, Mechanical Engineer
Tempe, AZ
Henry Rozumski, Aerospace Engineer/ Analyst
Aiea, HI
Jeff Rogers MSME, Engineer
Woodland Park, CO
Rich Reed, B.S. Structural Engineering, UC San, Structural / Soils Engineer
San Diego, California
David Wilkins, Electrical Engineer
San Jose, CA
Robert Hulsart, Computer Engineer
Franklin Square, NY
Warren J Raftshol, MS Civil Engineering, 1982
Suttons Bay, Michigan
James R. Northrup, Sr., Welding Engineer & Journeyman Steamfitter
Ypsilanti, MI
Rich McCampbell, BS ChemE
Boston, MA
Jon Marino, BSCE, EIT, Design Engineer
Phoenix, AZ
Victor Connor MS in electrical and computer engine,
Normal, IL
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| Originally posted by culorut I'm sorry what where you saying? Feel free to scroll down to the "Engineers" section in the second of my next two posts. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Architects (Degreed & Licensed) Richard Gage, AIA, Architect Walnut Creek, CA Don Gibbons, Architect Pleasant Hill, CA Jeff Arnold, Architect Orinda, CA John Cole, Architect Walnut Creek, CA David Crawford, Architect Walnut Creek, CA Haluk Akol, Architect & Structural Engineer Lafayette, CA John Eisenhart, Architect San Diego, CA Joe Bellows, Architect Martinez, CA John Howland, Architect Walnut Creek, CA Eric Douglas, Architect Howard Beach, NY Peter Hendrickson, Architect Santa Rosa, CA Osvaldo Valdes, Architect New York, NY Lily Livingston, AIA, Architect Oakland, CA Chris Swigert, Architect Oakland, CA Jim Bedinghaus, Architect St. Petersburg, Florida Christian Mungenast AIA, Architect Arlington, MA Mickey Propadovich, Architect Evanston, Illinois Michael C. Coffey, AIA, Architect New York, NY Dennis Holloway, Architect, Architect Rio Rancho, NM Michael E. Balay, Architect Fishers, Indiana Ronald F. Avery, Architect Seguin, Texas Bruce Richey, AIA, Architect Ashland, Oregon Architectural Professionals (Degreed) Scott Page, M. Arch / Designer Berkeley, CA Jeffrey Tam, Architectural Professional Oakland, CA Oscar Cisnero, Architectural Professional Antioch, CA Elwin Wong, Architectural Professional Oakland, CA Henri Tso, Architectural Professional Walnut Creek, CA Arthur Stopes, Planner Berkeley, CA Ken Huthcinson, Architectural Professional Eugene, OR Jan Leits, Architectural Professional Berkeley, CA Michael Reuter, Architectural Professional Berkeley, CA Chris Jung, Architectural Professional Berkeley, CA Tim Clark, Architectural Professional Albany, CA Jason Wilkinson, Architectural Professional Berkeley, CA Wendy Sitler, Designer Berkeley, CA Dominique Roddier, phD, Naval Architect Berkeley, CA Karlene Gullone, Architectural Professional San Francisco, CA Dave Heller, Architectural Professional Berkeley, CA Kurt Worthington, Urban Planner San Francisco, CA Travis Van Brasch, Associate AIA, Design Principal San Francisco, CA Arnold A. Valdez M.Arch, Designer/Planner Santa Fe, New Mexico Justin Feider, Intern Architect Denver, Colorado Alan S. Glassman, M. Arch., Associate AIA, CSI, SA, Architectural Research Consultant Lancaster, Pennsylvania Am Amnusydcjkorn, Designer Berkeley, CA |
get ready for yet another dissapointing fact
Jon Marino - is not licensed as a engineer from teh state of arizona, unlike the scholars for 911 truth say.... http://www.btr.state.az.us/
James Brooks, B. Civil Eng, University of Texas, Engineering Consultant
Austin, TX
-also not a licensed engineer in texas.... and could face up to 25000 dollars in fines for callin himself one
o my, third name i looked up at random
Joseph Testa, P.E., Civil Engineer
Thousand Oaks, CA
also never licensed as a PE in california, although is credentials sure make it look like he is licensed.... but he isnt currently nor was he ever licensed. so far i guess the whole list is populated by idiots AND liars....
id spend my day going through and systematically refuting every credential you posted but unfortunatly some of us who are REGISTERED AND LICENSED need to do some work........
while im conitnuing on my rant. the whole purpose of licensing engineers is to allow a forum for each applicant to have his skills and qualifications reviewed by a group of his peers. In the US, anyone wishing to be licensed as an engineer must complete a 8 hour fundamentals of engineering exam, and 4 years of pertinent work experience followed by a priciples and pratices exam. Im currently licensed as an EIT in ontario and im in the process of applying for the same designation in New York state. when people go about putting designations beside their names that they havent earned it pisses me off.
frankly im tempted to send letters to the state licensing boards for all of these idiots listed above and have them all take to court for breaking the state professional engineering bills.
more lying swine
David Wilkins, Electrical Engineer
San Jose, CA
not a licensed engineer.......
J. Marx Ayres, PE, Mechanical Engineer
Santa Monica, CA
-lost his license in 98 for undisclosed disciplinary action....
Nazareth "Blue" Lansing, Engineer
Houston, TX
-nope not him either....
Dr. Michael Voschine, PhD., Structural Engineer
Miami, Florida
-big fancy Phd... and still not a registered or licensed engineer in the state of florida....
Peter Gibbons P.E., Professional Engineer
Mccausland,, Iowa
-not this guy either
i find this mildly relaxing
fucken lol.
*heats up the oven to serve cretinrot some humble pie*
There are a lot more people on that list to go CC, by the way where are you getting this information from that they are not licensed?
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| Originally posted by culorut There are a lot more people on that list to go CC, by the way where are you getting this information from that they are not licensed? |
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| Originally posted by colonelcrisp state licensing boards. part of the mandate of the professional engineering regulation is that the governing bodies must maintain a public listing of all practicing licensed engineers. the public is entitled to inquire into the name, license number and current employer of any PE in the list of "licensed engineers" only two held a valid PE, neither of which being in civil engineering, one was mech and one was elec. neither of which posess any credible strucutral engineering experience |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and where on earth are their peer-reviewed analyses of the collapses? your side of the fence has been obsessed with this for 6 years, and you STILL don't have a proper research paper put forward for all the world to critique. until you have something like that, cutting and pasting random names means absolutely nothing. until these ghost engineers actually present a peer-reviewed paper then theyre just random names on a page. |
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| Originally posted by colonelcrisp state licensing boards. part of the mandate of the professional engineering regulation is that the governing bodies must maintain a public listing of all practicing licensed engineers. the public is entitled to inquire into the name, license number and current employer of any PE in the list of "licensed engineers" only two held a valid PE, neither of which being in civil engineering, one was mech and one was elec. neither of which posess any credible strucutral engineering experience |
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| Originally posted by culorut So because they are not licensed this means they do not know what they are talking about? If you are implying no I find this very hard to believe as I know quite a few individuals with plenty of experience and I will take that over some sort of license or piece of paper any day of the week. One of my good friends once said "what the hell do I need that ring for" when he was already moving up in the ranks of his engineering position. My friend was referring to the engineering ring for those wondering to what kind ring I am mentioning above. Some like to show off there credentials as others simply do not. At the end of the day it is whoever will get the job done and get it done right. |
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The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News: Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001). That means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors. I know there are CT sites which attack this paper but not one person has yet to disprove its hypothesis professionally. There are still people attacking the theory of evolution. Anyone can attack, not many can produce a paper to back it up. Just as there is no "theory of intelligent design" except on Christian web sites, there are no alternatives to this paper other than in CT sites and books." |
This new half hour documentary is spreading like wildfire on the net at the moment. 9/11 is much more than having licensed engineers peer review papers.
Why on earth did the US let the man who funded the hijackers $100,000 left untouched as if nothing ever happened? Fuk it's not even mentioned in the 9/11 commission report!
I would want to talk to the guy who gave the money to the hijackers but then again if ISI=CIA then this is exactly why it is not mentioned, cannot have any of that now can we....
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol! so first cretinrot posts a bunch of names he did not research properly first, to add credence to his wingnut ideas, then when those names turn out to be bogus, he says they dont really matter anyway oh these guys just get better and better.credentials might not matter to you cretinrot, but the lack of ANY research done by these people SHOULD be a matter for concern. but i guess you're just happy with names on a page. but here IS a paper written by structural engineers that HAS received vigorous peer review. funny that they dont think there were any explosives... source source |
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| Originally posted by culorut You should really stop referencing debunking911.com the site mentioned a long time ago was debunked. Think about taking up a new job as well, here is ones that fits you well. |
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| Originally posted by culorut |
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| Originally posted by culorut So because they are not licensed this means they do not know what they are talking about? |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo yes. as far as engineering is concerned, YES! thats exactly why i don't trust "Mexican" dentists. neither should you. (sorry Laz) |
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| Originally posted by culorut So because they are not licensed this means they do not know what they are talking about? If you are implying no I find this very hard to believe as I know quite a few individuals with plenty of experience and I will take that over some sort of license or piece of paper any day of the week. One of my good friends once said "what the hell do I need that ring for" when he was already moving up in the ranks of his engineering position. My friend was referring to the engineering ring for those wondering to what kind ring I am mentioning above. Some like to show off there credentials as others simply do not. At the end of the day it is whoever will get the job done and get it done right. |
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| Originally posted by culorut This new half hour documentary is spreading like wildfire on the net at the moment. 9/11 is much more than having licensed engineers peer review papers. Why on earth did the US let the man who funded the hijackers $100,000 left untouched as if nothing ever happened? Fuk it's not even mentioned in the 9/11 commission report! I would want to talk to the guy who gave the money to the hijackers but then again if ISI=CIA then this is exactly why it is not mentioned, cannot have any of that now can we.... |
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