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Originally posted by Bren-F Oh FFS ! Is there nothing sacred. OK I accept that its inevitable that a ripping group will get its hands on stuff if it wants, but can't they at least wait untill its released. Instead of possibly fucking everything up for the artist.

you see, the problem is the new groups. well-established groups would never do something like that. new groups try to grab as much shit as possible to get the "recognition". and, apparently, but "releasing" such quality material, they establish themselves quite well.

i understand your sorrow.

the track is really great. i would suggest fading it in and out so that noone can release it, yet put it out in a superb quality, so that djs who want to can cut off the fading parts and use the track in the mix.

all this hype is making people very curious about the track.
that's a good thing, if they would buy it.

but they just log on the hub and search for it.
and everytime i checked, there were people sharing it (and i asked some of them to unshare).

the best thing to do is ask the users to unshare it, but in a private way.. not turning this public, or posting in forums, etc..

so people dont even know that a full rip is out somewhere..
(i didnt know about this fact before i checked this thread - and i downloaded it.. but no - i'm not sharing, and yes - i will buy it - i love the track)

removing it from everywhere is almost impossible, so let's stop talking about this and we never heard of a full rip

and if you find it avaiable somewhere.. PM the user to unshare it and don't talk more about this full rip

and sorry for my english

publicity is worth a lot. if you look at it from an economic point of view, depending on your opinion / perspective, then you might say that the publicity now is going to be worth more than the money + publicity generated by a release when/if it does happen. there aren't any guarantees, and this website has a very large presence in the trance / electronic music community. as you may have guessed, i believe that having your name put out there associated with good music is worth a lot more to the artist than it might seem at first glance. where people get hung up a lot is that they can't see past the short term. but the short term isn't the one that really matters. in the long term, the waves created by your name and music being distributed out in the world will ripple out in time / space. it's kind of like activation energy in chemistry. if you create large enough waves they will keep going like a chain reaction and spread through the world... in any case, the people who will do well in the future are the ones who are going to embrace the changes that aren't going away and use them to their advantage. many are going to be left in the dust. some will fight, but mostly the smart ones will figure out how to co-exist with the internet and mp3s and not only co-exist but better themselves and the world because of the wonderful technology. the pioneers will be the ones being copied by everyone in the future. the methods they are conceptualizing now are going to be standard practice in years to come. if one wants to do well, he / she might have to look past the money or releases or whatever matters right now. im not saying those aren't good goals, but they aren't the only important goals. im just happy to see people experimenting and doing the very things i have just described. they are the pioneers and some of them are going to do very wonderful things. hope that sheds light on a different perspective, because we might as well keep up with the times, because things are changing... always have been, always will.

-rob

One of the main reasons why I do not post here, is cuz I don't want to get my stuff leaked. I mean, I know most of you guys are signed, and have your music copyrighted but I don't, and I would hate to get my music stolen by a nerd who doesn't even know how to produce, yet leaks it all over the place.


It's a chance you guys take - I guess you gotta take the 'low stream' route, just to save your hides. -Mental

if they steal mine, i'll make more better. they can't take away your ability to make music. bt has had his stuff physically stolen where he lost music that he made, but he moved on. it would piss me off to no end if someone steals my creations, but im gonna release full quality always. i'll take the risk. sometimes you have to take risks to make gains. traditions are overrated.

its like open source.
open music.







(btw whats up mental, havent talked to ya in a while )

Everythings okay. Working on a whole buncha projects at once. Just finished one, and working on 5 other projects. Everything is fine, just still learning, and fine tuning my software!


I'm sure you have improved a ton since we last spoke! I'm scared to hear what you got locked up in your computer. I won't promise this, but perhaps I'll re-work Divergence one day. Won't promise it, but we'll see! -Mental

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Originally posted by tranzMental One of the main reasons why I do not post here, is cuz I don't want to get my stuff leaked. I mean, I know most of you guys are signed, and have your music copyrighted but I don't, and I would hate to get my music stolen by a nerd who doesn't even know how to produce, yet leaks it all over the place. It's a chance you guys take - I guess you gotta take the 'low stream' route, just to save your hides. -Mental

I'm not saying this to sound arrogant (so forgive me if I do) but...
Do you really think release groups will release all the tracks by every unknown amateur producer?

In my experience they've released everything half decent that was posted in full on here.

I think mental was talking more of people ripping off his ideas as opposed to the actual tracks though.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I'm not saying this to sound arrogant (so forgive me if I do) but... Do you really think release groups will release all the tracks by every unknown amateur producer?

Hey Mr.Mystery. Of course they are not going to release every amateur production. That is why it's taking a 'chance'. But that is up to you to take that chance. No you don't sound arrogant, but honest.


Of course, when you have well known artists like Airbase, or Endre, Bren-F, you Mr.Mystery, Lightworks, Gil Shwartz, Haak, Santiago Nino, Sirroco, Thomas Datt, posting previews, then I can see the risk may be higher. I think it depends on how well known you are on these boards, and how great your music is.


I'm sure you can understand that there are 'some' risks. But I can rationalize that some people on these boards do not care about these risks, because a lot artists post 'remixes' rather than original productions. Of course I have seen many originals from you Mystery, and many others like Frenzy, 2v2, Novelty Pioneers, and many others to mention, but I guess some would rather share their remixes than their precious originals. I guess that's how it works for some.


How's everything goin there Mystery? I would assume that everything is going fantastically well with your music. Keep it up! -Mental

Heh, it's all going just as it always did, thanks for asking

I was just thinking that if you are an amateur artist is it really bad if your tune gets "released"? I mean the chances are no label would pick it up anyway and it would only mean more coverage to you.

Of course it's different if there's interest from labels but if someone wanted to put my unsigned solo work out I wouldn't really care.

Good point. It's not like everybody here is destined to be signed. There are a few fortunate people who have been picked up here, and it's good to see some of them posting here still.

Me - personally, I never really pursued being signed to a label. In fact, I find that not being in a label makes me more creative. However, in the future, I wouldn't mind putting at least one song out there, if it's even possible.

I guess it's a matter of preference. You said you don't mind if your unsigned work get's out there, and released by those groups, and that's cool! But there's a few artists here who want to get signed DESPARATELY, and they would fret if their precious song was snagged by these release groups.

But you seem to have a humble attitude about the situation. I think I totally understand where you are coming from. I think the saying "There's a lot more from where it came from" can be applied there. They can steal your music but they can't steal your talent. -Mental

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Originally posted by tranzMental They can steal your music but they can't steal your talent. -Mental

abso-fucking-lutely

oh yeah, im not saying everyone should go out and try this. it is perfectly respectable to not post up all your stuff online and go thru the risk of getting it ripped off. i was just wanting to interject another point of view to the situation because i feel like that some people may have not thought about it and that while others )(probably most by a large degree) may still not want to release hi-fi or even lo-fi versions of their songs online, i think some people might take this progressive attituded towards using the naturally occuring phenomenon to better themselves. i dont want to force my views on anyone because as always there are many ways to look at something and one or the other is not necessarily right.

i agree with extalin, you make a very good point about the internet and music. i do think it can be very beneficial to the artists. But you already know im behind it cause of our previous talked about it haha.

~rb

Rank_1_-_Symsonic_(Bren-F_Remix)-CDS-2003-iTP :\

iTP are assholes. They just found that tune on a site, prolly this forum or something :|

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Rank_1_-_Symsonic_(Bren-F_Remix)-CDS-2003-iTP

FFS

Maybe I should get a vocalist for my next track to pen some anti-release group vocals see if the ******s rip that one

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Originally posted by Bren-F FFS Maybe I should get a vocalist for my next track to pen some anti-release group vocals see if the ******s rip that one

hahahaha.. that would be great

well..... made it to ASOT!

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Originally posted by getfoul well..... made it to ASOT!

and rightly so, took their fuckin time! the record industry is bollox. there are so many great tunes that made but until someone in the industry cottons on to the talent then it just goes by unnoticed which a sad state of affairs to be fair but hey thats life i guess.

armin played it before in ASOT i remember.

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Originally posted by DRM and rightly so, took their fuckin time! the record industry is bollox. there are so many great tunes that made but until someone in the industry cottons on to the talent then it just goes by unnoticed which a sad state of affairs to be fair but hey thats life i guess.

I dont think thats so true...theres alot of talent on these forums, BUT it takes something really special (or a top djs label) to sell records.

Its very cut throat, so you have to be very choosy about what tracks you pick.....especially with trance.

That said armada picked up frenzy ages ago, but again they have to stick to a release schedule, lets just be happy they're getting it out with 2 quality remixes (mk-s, george hales).

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