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36+ hours now

I stopped being hungry really, but last nite and earlier I was nauseaus and had a headache, both are gone now though.

I'm not hungry but I still have a feeling of eat something u idiot

I found this interesting piece on Detoxing

http://yoga.about.com/library/weekly/aa061001a.htm


It pretty much says the same stuff that we've talked about on here, only instead of just water it says you can consume fresh fruit and veggies, rice, beans, fish, nuts etc..

So would i still be detoxing if I nibble on some of these items? or should i stick strictly to water?


BTW this isnt a means for me to crack and breakdown just to get any morsel of food in my mouth. I can hold out on water for fine now, but i'm just wondering what the best course is.

It seems to me that you need some sort of sustenance to keep your energy up, but then again the water is doing just fine as well.

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Originally posted by Mebot I found this interesting piece on Detoxing http://yoga.about.com/library/weekly/aa061001a.htm It pretty much says the same stuff that we've talked about on here, only instead of just water it says you can consume fresh fruit and veggies, rice, beans, fish, nuts etc.. So would i still be detoxing if I nibble on some of these items? or should i stick strictly to water? BTW this isnt a means for me to crack and breakdown just to get any morsel of food in my mouth. I can hold out on water for fine now, but i'm just wondering what the best course is. It seems to me that you need some sort of sustenance to keep your energy up, but then again the water is doing just fine as well.

I'm planning on doing one, knowing im weak anyway due to overindulgence & lack of excercise involving fruits & veg & water, if after a day or so i feel like it i might go just to water for a day, but im doubtful that i could do it

be careful last person ended up like this


www.btinternet.com/~joe.heaney/tigerclaw2.mpg

basic principles:

Raw things digest themselves. As soon as they get oxidized the enzymes within them are released and they start killin themselves. Raw meat, veggies, everything. When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done.

Your body isnt used to raw food. So you throw anything in there and its gonna pump enzymes out till it realizes (whoa, this shit dont need our help)

You only have so many enzymes. Part of the reason for your dying is you run out. Your body stops making them after a while.

You must train your body to not produce so much shit for stuff. (quit eating fake foods like fucking donuts)

Not many poeple are at the level where a raw fast would do the same as a water fast. They throw anything in, their body pumps shit out, and roils and burbles and its like eatin for sheezay.

Moral: Prep for a fast with a couple of days of raw foods and then fast and then come out with a couple of days of raw food.

start meals with raw foods.

Never eat fruit anything but first. It ferments on top of the other shit and is bad for you..

more pearls of wisdom later.

Ok Orbax I have a couple of questions since u seem to be pretty well informed about this fasting thing.
First thing is I would fast for the health reason and not weight loss since I am pretty lean(so losing too much weight would be a problem for me) Anyways by fasting wouldn't my body start burning muscle first and then fat(if this is the case, I would look ethiopian in a couple of days, due to low body fat and I don't want to lose muscle so what can i do to minimize this?) and could i work out while fasting? Would I have energy? Can I build muscle while fasting? should I take supplements like Centrum and Vitamin C?
Questions Questions Questions..
Thnx for ur help...

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Originally posted by Orbax You only have so many enzymes. Part of the reason for your dying is you run out. Your body stops making them after a while.

so if i get my body to never stop producing enzymes, i would never die?!

You really dont lose a whole lot either way. Think about saying "im gonna do a 5 day diet, I bet I can lose all my fat".

I did a very light work out 1 time during a several day fast. Usually not reccomended though, cuz you arent really intaking protein to rebuild the torn muscle. Also, your body has priorities. If you are injured, or have some internal thing your body wants to fix, working out would tear your muscle, and just make your body be able to half ass fix both. So I wouldnt work out. Just do a killer workout a couple days before the fast. You are supposed to take a week off working out occasionally anyways

You are at homeostasis right now, your body is used to bein at that weight etc... So after the fast dont be surprised if you get some of the weight back. Just make sure its muscle not fat

I wouldnt do any supplements, again the whole point is to make your body do as little work as possible digesting, and packaging, and shipping, and burning as possible. You want it to be able to focus on itself internally. Fasts should usually be a time of low energy output. Right now im on a sales floor so im walking around ALL DAY, so ive just done a couple of 1 day fasts this week instead of a contiguous one.

Plus, body builders do this all the time for shows. You get the fat back too eventually, your body doesnt like being below about 6%

To minimize muscle loss, be calm the first couple of days, keep movement to as much of a minimum. Dress warmly (you gotta stay warm somehow, the less coal it burns to keep you @ 98.6 the better), drink near-hot water. If you can do that, and you get the glucose strips from the store....just start movin around a bit more when you hit ketosis. Other than that youre solid.

In recap:

1) Dont work out
2) Dont take supplements
3) Youll get most of the weight back
4) Minimize activity, maximize heat conservation
5) Prepare to be cleansed

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Originally posted by drizzt81 so if i get my body to never stop producing enzymes, i would never die?!

youd live a hell of a lot longer maybe 120 instead of 73

Omg I'm losing so much weight

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Originally posted by MK-S A 5 day fast is my no means easy. Well, at least I know I'd stuggle Worth a try though. How much weight would you lose in that period out of interest?

crystal!

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Originally posted by Mebot Im only drinking water this week but im curious as to whether or not i can drink Green Tea? Green Tea has many beneficial properties including lipo-proteins and antioxidants. Just wondering if it would be a good thing or a bad thing to consume during detox?

I've actually heard the benefits of White Tea to be greater than that of Green Tea. I've never had any experience with White Tea. I just heard this not long ago, didn't even know it existed. Another trip to Wild Oats! Do you have any info on this? I'll keep you posted, none the less.

b.u.m.p


I've read 96oz. of water to be the magical number of water consumption throughout the day. If I was to do an Orbax advised 5 day h2o fast, would this amount of water throw off electrolytes? I've read through this thread and pumped to start! The only thing is, there's an unopened bottle of margarita mix whispering hot breathe into me ear.

Also, my school schedule this semester is pretty rigorous. For example, tomorrow I'm attending for 9 hours. Could this end up being a major downfall? Or advantage? What I'm getting at is, I'm needing all the brain juice. I can't be hallucinating or having epileptic attacks on the biology lab floor. Will a 5 day fast provide clarity or will I mentally degenerate?

Whiskers, keep us posted! Was it a success? Drawbacks? Advantages?



Are.you.Alive?!

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Originally posted by Orbax When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done.

Which job? Enzymes are required for every chemical reaction in the human body.

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You only have so many enzymes. Part of the reason for your dying is you run out. Your body stops making them after a while.

As humans grow older our bodies produce less enzymes. This does not mean that we have a limited amount of enzymes or that we will "use them up" before time.

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You must train your body to not produce so much shit for stuff. (quit eating fake foods like fucking donuts)

Such wisdom.

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I did a very light work out 1 time during a several day fast. Usually not reccomended though, cuz you arent really intaking protein to rebuild the torn muscle.

If your muscle is torn you're going to need a lot more than protein to rebuild it.


There is no evidence that "detox diet" removes "toxins" from the body, or at least not more efficiently than our body removes toxins itself through the liver, kidneys, and other things. Basically the only thing drinking water for five days is going to definitely do is deprive your body of a lot of nutrients. You'll have less energy and less...everything. And you're right, bodybuilders do do this a lot of time for shows. You'll find a lot of them backstage nearly passing out from exhaustion and deprivation.

I said it kills the enzymes in the food not in your body...the rest is just jibberish. I doubt youve actually read any books with the specific topic being detox ...or anything regarding "debunking" the mythical and never-used behavior of 'fasting', but unless you have something solid to add youre just digging up an old thread to be an asshole.

Dr. Kennedy,

I was reading in ______________________ by _________ that fasting is the curing alternative to colon cleansing, Candida cleasing, liver, etc. etc. That this method which medical officials tell us is harmful is really a myth. He even quoted fasting to cure depression, anxiety, sleep apnea, etc, on and on. That all the thousands of encrusted toxins cause disease and slowly, eventually death. I can't remember the name of the book! It's bugging me. I'll post it tomorrow. He also mentioned that multivitamins are just a money making gimmick by the health industry. That our body doesn't even the digest the nutrients of the pill. I can elaborate as soon as I find the book. oh! sunscreem actually being the cause of harmful radicals and eventual cancer? NOT the sun. He provides example through the inhabitants of Africa and their lack of cancer, despite having the dark pigment. He has this quote, "Do not put on your skin, what you would not eat." Whoa. off topic.

AQUAFINA!

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Originally posted by Orbax I said it kills the enzymes in the food not in your body...the rest is just jibberish. I doubt youve actually read any books with the specific topic being detox ...or anything regarding "debunking" the mythical and never-used behavior of 'fasting', but unless you have something solid to add youre just digging up an old thread to be an asshole.

I dug up the thread.

*Searches for books*

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Originally posted by Estella

I would do a 3 day fast if its rigorous, and yes, it will end up using electrolytes, so afterward youll want to get some gatorade or something to make sure youre rebalancing and dont just bust out of the fast and start working out and running, youll need at least a day to start getting started again

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Originally posted by Estella I dug up the thread. *Searches for books*

I can give you some names if you want them

Oh gawd, hahaa Hubbards in on this

I think I'll wait until the weekend, it's much less demanding. I'm worried about the effects of not eating for 3 days and the potential decline of stability at school/work.

I think every Sunday sounds like a good fast day. It makes me feel a bit wholesome and religious lol I'll keep everyone informed.


Umm..



Whiskers?!!




is dead on the linoleum bathroom floor due to advice from fellow TA's on detox

Edit* Yes, Orbax. Post them up! I have family interested in this as well.

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Originally posted by Orbax I said it kills the enzymes in the food not in your body...the rest is just jibberish.

The fact that cooking and processing kills enzymes in food is not under debate. And to be honest I find most of your posts in this thread to be complete jibberish, as I have to read through them multiple times in order to understand what it is exactly your trying to convey.

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I doubt youve actually read any books with the specific topic being detox ...or anything regarding "debunking" the mythical and never-used behavior of 'fasting', but unless you have something solid to add youre just digging up an old thread to be an asshole.

The only thing solid I have to add is that there is no scientific evidence that "detox diets" and this method of fasting you describe actually do what they claim. That's about as solid as anything you've given.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The fact that cooking and processing kills enzymes in food is not under debate.

then why bring it up

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The only thing solid I have to add is that there is no scientific evidence that "detox diets" and this method of fasting you describe actually do what they claim. That's about as solid as anything you've given.

K

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Originally posted by Orbax then why bring it up

I didn't.

When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done.


Which job? Enzymes are required for every chemical reaction in the human body.


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but it would take 2 of me to care less so im just gonna go ahead and drop it.

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Originally posted by Orbax When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done. Which job? Enzymes are required for every chemical reaction in the human body. ------- but it would take 2 of me to care less so im just gonna go ahead and drop it.

In which instance I was asking which function or "job" performed by enzymes in the human body you were referring to, not whether cooking kills enzymes. Enzymes aid in performing many many jobs in our bodies. But I do agree that eating raw food is probably better than eating processed or cooked food, because it is easier to digest due to its enzymes. It would not require our body to produce its own enzymes to digest it, putting less strain on the pancreas. However, as long as you eat plenty of enzyme rich food you should be able to eat cooked or processed enzymeless food safely and without negative health effects, because the main problem concerning processed and cooked food is people simply not getting enough enzymes from raw food.

What all this has to do with going on an unhealthy water-only diet is beyond me.

wow.. just read through this whole thread and i'm kind of at a loss for words. overall i understand what you're saying orbax and i'm gonna give it a try, and so is one of my friends.

anyway, i dont know which side to believe on this issue, but wtf.. whatever. i'll do it anyway and see how shit turns out. i have a fair amount of walking to do on wednesday and this weekend, especially friday and saturday night will equal a SHITLOAD of drinking so here's what i'm thinking i'm gonna do. if you're not TOO busy, correct any mistakes i might be making.

starting now i'm going on a water only diet through monday and tuesday. wednesday since i'll have to do a lot of walking, when i wake up i'll have some fruit before i leave and carry some water with me. then i'll continue with only water through friday in which i'm gonna eat only fruits and veggies during the day, all raw and then perhaps fish in the evening before partying, since i've partied on an empty stomach before and regreted it the next day. the fish will probably be grilled since raw just doesnt work for me. idk.. my system is way effed up but yeah.. i'll give this a try and report back on my findings. i know i can do it. theres hardly anyting to eat around here anyway, and what there is to eat is mostly healthy stuff.

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