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Dj-Fuq

I'm not even going to quote or anything like that. I guess what I am struggling with is that, no matter how I say it... I am saying I had a bad experience, and if someone wants to take it I will not tell them to. so If i am being responsible NOW and saying that people shouldn't do it if they are debating wether to or not.... what are you so against? Anyone in their right mind that was mature enough, would never hype up or defend a drug. If u personally want to take it go ahead, who cares.I see nothing wrong in deterring drugs. Nothing personal Dj-Fuq. Drugs are not vitamins, they are bad and there is nothing wrong with saying that either.
I would seriously hope that all of this energy and time u are takign in defending drugs could be applied somewhere else. It puzzles me. Take care

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq What??

I was commenting that I was lucky that neither I nor any of my friends have gotten bad pills or had a shite experience while on mdma.

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Originally posted by UWM I was commenting that I was lucky that neither I nor any of my friends have gotten bad pills or had a shite experience while on mdma.

Well, he asked would it change ur mind about e in general (i think thats what he meant)

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Well, he asked would it change ur mind about e in general (i think thats what he meant)

I thought he was asking on if I would stop if me or one of my friends got messed up bad from a pill.

Because I would.

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Originally posted by Summer21 I am saying I had a bad experience, and if someone wants to take it I will not tell them to. so If i am being responsible NOW and saying that people shouldn't do it if they are debating wether to or not.... what are you so against?

How hard is this to understand? Why dont u tell them to use it if they want to, but not to take TOO MUCH like u did?
Whats the problem with that? Please explain to me all the bad things that will happen if they use mdma properly.

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Anyone in their right mind that was mature enough, would never hype up or defend a drug.

Ur talking shite. How much maturity does it take to understand that ur problems with e came from u taking it far too much? Ur obviously not mature enough. If u didnt take it too much, u would not have had those problems. Thats what this boils down to. It was ur own fucking fault.

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If u personally want to take it go ahead, who cares.I see nothing wrong in deterring drugs. Nothing personal Dj-Fuq. Drugs are not vitamins, they are bad and there is nothing wrong with saying that either.

Apart from the fact that it isnt true.

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I would seriously hope that all of this energy and time u are takign in defending drugs could be applied somewhere else. It puzzles me. Take care

I will.

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Originally posted by UWM I thought he was asking on if I would stop if me or one of my friends got messed up bad from a pill. Because I would.

Fair enough.

wouldn't it be safe to stop before something serious happens? I mean, i know everyone in their lives take risks, but is it really worth the wheelchair, a system failure, or hell, just seeing someone you know on the floor spazzing out...
my sister has had seizures in front of me, and i tell u, watching someone without control of their own body is absolutely horrifying. the worst part is that it's not only happened once, but several times in front of me. watching a friend go through that would take an absolutely toll on me

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Originally posted by djSlain wouldn't it be safe to stop before something serious happens? I mean, i know everyone in their lives take risks, but is it really worth the wheelchair, a system failure, or hell, just seeing someone you know on the floor spazzing out... my sister has had seizures in front of me, and i tell u, watching someone without control of their own body is absolutely horrifying. the worst part is that it's not only happened once, but several times in front of me. watching a friend go through that would take an absolutely toll on me

All the times I have ever taken a pill (besides one time) I had known somebody who had taken them or tested them beforehand and said everything was all good. Our whole "group" has pretty much the same reactions and we all take care of each other so I never worry about it.

EDIT - And sorry to hear about you having to go through that it must be awful.

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Originally posted by djSlain wouldn't it be safe to stop before something serious happens?

Of course. But its still relatively safe to take it.

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I mean, i know everyone in their lives take risks, but is it really worth the wheelchair, a system failure, or hell, just seeing someone you know on the floor spazzing out...

Is walking across the road really worth the coffin?

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my sister has had seizures in front of me, and i tell u, watching someone without control of their own body is absolutely horrifying. the worst part is that it's not only happened once, but several times in front of me. watching a friend go through that would take an absolutely toll on me

So wouldnt it be better to legalise it so the users can take pure mdma pills that dont contain things that can cause this?

In before the lock...

This conversation has derided itself from being a discussion about an article, to a discussion questioning then article, and now, in it's final beastly form, a flame war. Imagine that. Time to put your burning party hats away guys

Next up on the docket:

justification and self-discipline

one you need more of, the other less... I'll let it be up to you guys to decide which gets beat with the nerf stick.

Just a couple of facts for you "anti-drug" people out there (this would classify under "justification" (note to self: need less of))

FACTS: There were about 3.2 million injuries and 41,821 people were killed in auto accidents in 2000 based on data collected by the Federal Highway Administration. It is estimated that 40% of all fatal car accidents involve alcohol. (or to be precise, in 2000 16,653 +4.2%)


508,000 alcohol accidents in the united states in 2000

There were 27,035 deaths in the United States from Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (2001)

Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis is the 12th leading cause of death in the United States (2001)

hmm, lets do a little math shall we
19,817
+27,035
x .96 (compensate for etd. increase (definitely innacurate, i just didn't want to look up the 2000 stats))
44,978
+16,653
61,631 deaths directly related to alcohol in 2000 (estimated, give or take 5%)

The population of the US on April 1, 2000 was 281,421,906
population age 18 and over : 209,128,094
Sixty-three percent of Americans ages 18 and over have drank alcohol in the past year (2001)
209,xxx,xxx
x .63
131,750,699

Okay, so out of those 132 million (rounded) drinkers, they killed collectively 61,631 people. Obviously the heavier/more irresponsible drinkers are affected disproportionately by this death category.

Since I was unable to find the statistic for how many drunken drivers were killed in auto accidents I'll just leave out alcohol death crashes altogether in the calculation but...
somewhere between one out of every 2,138 and one out of every 2,929 people who drink are killed due to an alcohol related problem/accident. If you're a heavy drinker, the situation is much, much more dire than that.

How many people did ecstasy kill in 2000.. get ready for this.. your not going to believe it

63 (20 in the uk)

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63?
yeah, 63 reported deaths in the united states and 5000 emergency room. If the rates are as poor as alcohol related use deaths then that would leave somewhere between 150,000 and 170,000 ecstasy users in the united states. Which would hardly be considered an epedemic (more people died from alcohol in 2000 than used ecstasy if this is true). I suspect the figure is at least a 5 fold larger. The DEA probably has a good figure on this (based on seizures) if anyone wants to drag it up. It's probably even more than 500,000. If there was ONLY ~500k people using ecstasy in the year 2000 and only *63* people were reported to die from it, then, that would be one in every 8,000. Pretty fucking pathetic. To be fair though, it's hard to link MDMA related side effects back to the drug due to how little we know about it and the nature of it (unlike alcohol).

I found a little tidbit that, at least on the alcohol portion checks out with my quickly gathered data.

Putting things in perspective:

The death rate for MDMA, assuming that there really were about 60 deaths directly caused by MDMA in 2000, would be roughly 2 in 100,000 users. The death rate from smoking, by contrast, is on the order of 400 per 100,000 users. Even alcohol, America's official "it's not really a drug" drug, nets about 50 deaths per 100,000 users each year:[3]

So what should be illegal again???

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker So what should be illegal again???

Neither

why do i feel this way?

http://thedea.org/neurotoxicity.html

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Neither

Borat sucks! and you are the ****

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Originally posted by jdjd Borat sucks!

Blasphemy! Die.

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and you are the ****

just coz i own0rzed u

Dj Fuq,
i'm pretty sure this is in the US, or maybe it was Canada, but do u support "safe houses" where people can shoot up with clean free needles?

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq just coz i own0rzed u

if you say so... id like you to tell your theories of how recreational drugs are safe to jones'ing crackhead on the street

Have any of you guys stopped to think about what purpose the last several pages have? All I see are statistics (that anyone could look up and make their own conclusions about), opinions (that only matter to their owners), and adults acting like children.










*Hehe... I'll get flamed for saying this, lol. But hey, maybe people will step back and see how petty these things are...*

naaahhh....

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Originally posted by Paradigm Have any of you guys stopped to think about what purpose the last several pages have? All I see are statistics (that anyone could look up and make their own conclusions about), opinions (that only matter to their owners), and adults acting like children. *Hehe... I'll get flamed for saying this, lol. But hey, maybe people will step back and see how petty these things are...* naaahhh....

werd

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Originally posted by djSlain Dj Fuq, i'm pretty sure this is in the US, or maybe it was Canada, but do u support "safe houses" where people can shoot up with clean free needles?

Its a step in the right direction. But they shouldnt have to go anywhere.
Now answer my question.

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my sister has had seizures in front of me, and i tell u, watching someone without control of their own body is absolutely horrifying. the worst part is that it's not only happened once, but several times in front of me. watching a friend go through that would take an absolutely toll on me

So wouldnt it be better to legalise it so the users can take pure mdma pills that dont contain things that can cause this?

60% of all statistics are true. 20% of all statistics are false, and 20% of all statistics is made up.

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Originally posted by Paradigm will step back and see how petty these things are...

Some of the things said are petty, but the issue isnt. Full drug legalisation would be 1 of the best things that could happen to the world.
Plus, this thread is pretty educational, if u wade through all the prohibitionist shite.

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Originally posted by jdjd if you say so... id like you to tell your theories of how recreational drugs are safe to jones'ing crackhead on the street

If the drugs were legal, there would be less crackheads on the street.

SHUT UP












use only the drugs
















be happy

Off topic, but that's a sweet avatar, Dmatrox.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox 60% of all statistics are true. 20% of all statistics are false, and 20% of all statistics is made up.

I assume you are referring to my lengthy statistic filled post. Most of it (all.. actually) stems from gubbiment collected information so it's accuracy is ... well, how accurate is the government ?

Your statistic is completely wrong too, the total of statistics that are true and false has to equal 100% and the third is an independant variable (a made up statistic can be true, though it's extremely unlikely). Also, I believe the nature of such a statistic makes it really nearly impossible to accurately project. I realize (or hope) it was a joke.

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